The-Traveling-Bard said:
Loonyyy said:
sanquin said:
Loonyyy said:
In medieval times, people didn't collect playing cards for getting someone into the sack and shagging them, to varying degrees of explicit content. The game has an immature and sexist depiction of women, interacting with them, and sex in general. I'd hesitate to call it misogynistic, simply because I think that part is stupid and infantile, rather than rooted in actual hatred towards women, and rather in some teenage "American Pie"-esque desire to collect "All the sex" from the supporting cast. It's still mildy off-putting, and demonstrates a poor attitude towards sex. It's childish and sexist, but not too far to be beyond understanding.
Whether or not the characters are misogynistic (Something I don't really care about) is of less importance than the tone of the game, which is well established during the tutorial, where my conversational choices led to me fucking a main supporting character (The red-and-purple whatever her name was in the starting castle), and getting a collector card for it. I mean, really, it's just pathetic. You get a better idea of sex at a strip club. That's just sad.
I never said they went with a realistic setting all together. I said they went with a more historic depiction of how men treated women in those times.
And I said I cared not one jot about that, and that wasn't the issue. I've no problem with an attempt at authenticity. Game of Thrones for instance, has the same thing.
And yes, the sex cards and such were pretty damn immature. It was just a small part of the game though.
Yes, but it goes to the overall tone of the game, and it's a sexist one. It's a nasty, tawdry little thing added on, which doesn't do it any favours. It's not the realism that's an irritant, it's the point where they broke the fourth wall to appeal to the masturbatory fantasies of a male audience. Which puts some people off, and just makes me disappointed in the pandering.
While I agree with you, but "realsim" doesn't mean the same thing in a video game. Since the the world behaves/acts differently. Geralt in the books is a pretty handsome character that all the ladies tear out their eyes to be with.
I don't think you get what I mean. I was referring to his use of realism
"Misogynistic, maybe. But guess what? In medieval times people weren't as tolerant, open minded and emancipated as today. Is it really that terrible that a game tries to portray a more realistic version of how life was in those days? Or do you rather have happy fantasy worlds where the feminism movement apparently also already happened like in Skyrim?"
as a justification. Geralt may be a ladykiller in the books, and I've no problem. But the Witcher does have a problem with sexism, because of those cards. As I said, more than once, I don't care if the characters are misogynistic. The game would still be sexist, just because of those cards, and I don't think portraying a character with negative traits says anything negative about the game.
-Dexter is a serial killer.
-GoT is full of murderers, theives, traitors, rapists, and all manner of shit.
-The Walking Dead, murder, totalitarianism, etc.
These are some of my favourite shows though. It's not about the characters, it's about presentation. If they had sex-cards, or kill-cards, or the like, I'd say they have a childish attitude towards those things, and if it was with regard to one gender, it'd also have a gender issue.
King Joffrey slaughtering babies? The first mention of killing babies in real life would get you shot by the police. In their world.. he's the king. He gets to do whatever he wants.
I'm not sure that you read the exchange. Like, at all. Sanquin appealed to realism to negate criticisms of The Witcher as misogynistic. I countered with a sarcastic remark about how the cards have nothing to do with realism. 1) Pointing out something which has nothing to do with how realistic it is. 2) Pointing out something irrefutably infantile, pandering, and sexist.
Do I agree with the cards? No. Do I agree with all the sex scenes? Yes. That's who he is.
I never said I didn't, did I?
He's suppose to be a sex craving character, and all the girls want his meat.
Which is a pandering masculine power fantasy, but I can live with that. But that's absolutely nothing to do with what I posted!
I'll use a syllogism, since amusing rhetoric seems to get in the way.
Premise 1) Including in a game, collector items of soft-core pornography of females is infantile.
Premise 2) Including in a game, collector items of soft-core pornography of females is sexist.
Premise 3) The Witcher includes collector items of soft-core pornography of females.
Conclusion: Based on Premises 1-3, The Witcher, to some extent, is infantile and sexist.
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