dieing 15 year old boy want's weird last request

[hypothetical fact]

He gets sex an dies happy or he asks for world peace and gets a pat on the head. Obvious which choice to take.

 

[INF1NIT3 D00M]

You've GOT to be kidding me. My last wish, even if I were that age, would be to do something amazingly epic, not counting sex. There's more to life than that, and I am saddened by the fact that he didn't make the last move count.
Ethically, it was the right thing, I grudgingly must admit.
But when you count all the amazing things he could have done, it wasn't.
Goodbye Jack.
You have been failed. By whom, I don't know, but you have been failed.

Well, if there's anyone in the world who knows firsthand ALL the things you can do in life besides sex, its the people who make this argument.
It was his dying wish. He's sick, he can't skydive. He's stuck in a bed and had 15 years to experience as much as possible. Sex might not be very important to you, but you have a whole lifetime to do it. You have the luxury of putting off pleasure for thrills. In our society today we glamorize sex, being a virgin is a sign of inadequacy (40 year old virgin, anyone?).
I'm glad he got to do it. Sex is a ritual that every mature male experiences. He had to do it earlier because he wouldn't live to do it legally. Sure, you could argue that it's wrong or that he made a poor choice, but at the end of the day it's done and he probably died happy. Good for him.

PS I acknowledge that my first sentence was immature. sue me.

 

[hippo24]

Were you never a normal fifteen year old?

Apparently not...

 

[crudus]

If I could do that then it would almost be worth it to start huffing the cancer causing fumes at work. Knowing my luck, the cancer would be benign >.<

 

[sneakypenguin]

Wow what a lame last request... But I doubt any here would see it that way (being generally under 25 years)

 

[hippo24]

I'm not going to pass judgment on you or anyone else, but I'd like to know exactly what this kid could have done as a last wish that would fulfill your definition of "something great"? We've got to be reasonable; just because he asks for, say, donating loads of money to charity or something along those lines, doesn't mean it's going to happen with the resources available.

Ok "great" may not be the best word for the job.

But If people are willing to break the law donating money for a hooker and sneak the hooker into a hospital so she can rape(technically it is rape) a dying 15 year old kid, all because he "wished" it to be so. Than I'm sure theres something that could have been done. I mean it says he basically got the hospitals staff to risk their jobs to help him. But I say again, I don't have a problem with the kid, just that last decision of his. The greatness I refereed to was in his intentions and actions. Not the grandeur of the act itself. Yes donating his organs, or starting a fund to help others avoid the same fate, would have been a beautiful display of kindness and would be what most people I know would want.

But I would've thought his actions "great" if his last wish was to take a trip to the bakery with his grandma, or to fly with his family to the Caribbean. Anything that wasn't so devoid of lasting meaning.

I'm probably being a bit critical but Its just how I see it...

 

[Nurb]

quoted the wrong post

 

[Nurb]

The first list isn't exactly possible for someone who has months to live is it? You don't think he wanted to do that with his life? Do you think he wanted to be cheated the way he was and decide whether or not to die a virgin as a sexually mature human being?

Well I'd hardly consider loosing ones virginity to a whore, as an act of "Sexual maturity".

My point was, that for all the "atta boys" and seals of approval he was getting. The boy's final request pales in comparison to many things in life.

I was illustrating that loosing your virginity to a jaded prostitute that you've never seen before that day and has "done" it with countless guys, pales in comparison to the higher pleasures in life. Many people fail to realize that this kid missed the mark.

Its reasonable to say that he could have done something meaningful, and left this world with more than just his own self-interest. From asking for a way to thank his parents, who obviously had to work hard just to keep him alive. To donating his money to a cause that fights whats killing him. He could have even asked for something that might save another's life, like offering up any functioning organs (he obviously was healthy enough for sex so something must be salvageable).

Its worse than the many kids who are younger than him who wish for WOW accounts and Micheal Jordan. At least those have some form of meaning because your able to do what you love with those that love you. It has more to it than just primal gratification.
Thrusting your hips against something until your brain says stop, is no different than taking a drug. Its not like the sex hes having has any meaning to it, that whore is not his lover, he has no real attachment. Its just sexual release.

He was given the choice to have his wishes honored, he could worked toward true happiness in his or another persons life.
He asked for meaningless sex.

All I'm trying to say is that, why I don't abhor this scenario, nor do I think it was wrong for them to honor his wish, I do however think that the boy was making a mistake in asking for something so shallow.

So instead of leaving behind a meaning or a gift, he left behind his self-worth and a news story about it.

he was sexually mature, meaning he is able to produce offspring and had the hormones to create the instinct to want it.

its easy to be 'moral' when you have your life ahead of you and expect an important rite of passage to just happen in its own due course. He didn't have the luxury of time, and while I'm disappointed it was a hooker, the story said he didn't have any girlfriends or female friends. I'm also a little annoyed that a person who hasn't suffered what he has seems to be acting a little self-righteous and saying he lost his self worth for wanting to be a normal human being for a night in his short, hospital bound life.

You don't deserve to judge him like that.

Yet you get to judge me?
How very odd...

You claim I'm on a "moral high horse", when your riding right beside me.
My arguments aren't with the actual physical child, just his decision.
I'm not saying this kid was bad, I'm not saying that hes the worst thing since WWI, I'm not even saying that I'm much better. All I'm saying is that his final decision was less than I would have expected from a person his age.

And by loosing his "self worth", I'm speaking in relative terms. He could have done something that positively impacted others, he could have done something to impact the world before he left, but in the end he wished for sex, he got sex, the end.
He had the ability to do something great, but he didn't.
So all he left behind was sadness in his parents hearts, a hole in his parents wallet, and a news story about how he went behind the law and had sex.
Its for that reason I debate, not because I have some vendetta against the kid, but because his life was cut short, and his final decision was devoid of even the smallest attempt to fill that crevice.

I honestly cant say what my exact reaction would be if I were him. Id hope I would stay true to my morality, Id hope that Id be sted fast when under that specific weight.
But Ive been mighty close to deaths door a few times, and I did what I thought I would.

I've battled cancer that also involved tumors around my heart and abdomen, had complications such as fluid building around the lungs till I almost suffocate, sicknesses due to immune deficiancies, and being covered in scars... so yes, I'm in more of a position to understand his situation and see how you're coming off. I'm assuming you've had "all the time in the world" all your current life, that you've never been in a position where you're looking at dying in your teens or 20's. You've probably never had the feeling that you might not make it the next year.

when you're hanging on, you don't feel like "doing anything great", I could barely get out of bed when I had my emergency surguries and chemo, so I can only imagine how his illness laid him out for so long in the hospital to the point of never talking or doing anything with a woman. All you can think about is dying and missing out on things people your age are suppost to go through.

You don't get to sit there, all healthy, without any understanding and say he didn't live his short suffering life properly and did something horrible when the end finally did come. You get to share your opinion like anyone else, but not lift your nose up in the air because it conflicts with your views.

 

[PyroZombie]

There is soo much more to life than sex.

He's 15. No there isn't.

Then there's the fact he's terminally ill.

I would basically like to say this.

 

[hippo24]

I've battled cancer that also involved tumors around my heart and abdomen, had complications such as fluid building around the lungs till I almost suffocate, sicknesses due to immune deficiencies, and being covered in scars... so yes, I'm in more of a position to understand his situation and see how you're coming off. I'm assuming you've had "all the time in the world" all your current life, that you've never been in a position where you're looking at dying in your teens or 20's. You've probably never had the feeling that you might not make it the next year.

when you're hanging on, you don't feel like "doing anything great", I could barely get out of bed when I had my emergency surguries and chemo, so I can only imagine how his illness laid him out for so long in the hospital to the point of never talking or doing anything with a woman. All you can think about is dying and missing out on things people your age are suppost to go through.

You don't get to sit there, all healthy, without any understanding and say he didn't live his short suffering life properly and did something horrible when the end finally did come. You get to share your opinion like anyone else, but not lift your nose up in the air because it conflicts with your views.

Well I'm sorry, and I'm sorry that you were forced to live through an ordeal such as that.
Your obviously more intertwined with this story than I presumed (If it is true.
No offence This is the Internet worse has been done for less)

But this is where our two paths separate, Unfortunately we've both been down the same road, and we both were watching a different side. I saw the desperation to repay those who'd helped me, I felt regret, I felt the presence of meaninglessness and emptiness, I felt pain shattered by the realization that it may all be over and Ill have done nothing. To me, cutting a life short, is a lot worse than the physical pain that accompanies it. The worst pain is to know your nothing, that you will be nothing, and that there's nothing you can do to change that.

Obviously we came out with differences in our views, I'm sorry If my perception crosses yours, and its unlikely to change in either of us.

 

[BlueMartian]

Thats a dumb last request.

There is soo much more to life than sex.

Without sex there wouldn't even be life

Good on the boy, what an awesome last request, fuck the uptight people who thinks it's wrong or demoralizes women

 

[Murlin]

He's gonna die a virgin? don't let such a cruel thing befall him! his request was perfectly reasonable

 

[peterwolfe]

Thats a dumb last request.

There is soo much more to life than sex.

Without sex there wouldn't even be life

Good on the boy, what an awesome last request, fuck the uptight people who thinks it's wrong or demoralizes women

Here here!

Though to answer the actual question, I'm personally glad people did their best to make his dream come true. I mean, it's not like he advertised it or made a big deal of it. His parents and hospital staff probably asked him as one what he wanted, and he said "no no, it's fine, don't worry about it", then when his parents left he probably had a little aside with a doctor and was all "Okay, honesty time: I really, really don't want to die a virgin". I would actually think it rather shitty of them if they DIDN'T fulfill the wish. I mean, doing something like meeting the pope or Michael Jordan is cool and all, but that's the kind of thing you go for when you live life to a semblance of it's fullest. I'd go like thi: first kiss: check. Find love: check. Lose virginity: check. Meet someone famous: ...
Whatever, my point is I think his final request was totally sensible and deserved, and a bit more practical than others I've heard of (if a bit less glorified).

 

[Pegghead]

Thats a dumb last request.

There is soo much more to life than sex.

Yeah keep telling yourself that.

 

[Chadra]

15 me would have said the same thing but also would have asked for Jewel Staite.

 

[Grab-bag]

Go him...it's sad though that people want to do thing's before they die when they could have a hwole lifetime to do it...Man, cancer's a *****!

 

[LongAndShort]

Good on the kid. God knows it'd be on my list.