Disabled Girl Dating Sim Katawa Shoujo Finally Available

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Alterego-X

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Mr.K. said:
uzo said:
Mind you, I lived in Japan for 7 yrs and read/write/speak the lingo fluently. My wife is constantly embarrassed as - when she visits family back in Osaka - I ask her to run down to Den Den Town and pick me up some random 'renai' sims.
I doubt it's embarrassment she feels when her husband is drawn to romancing cartoon characters while she struggles to get some attention...
While I am joking, this could quite possibly be true.

OT: This is just such a Japanese thing, people are so constrained and distanced from each other that they only see real prospects of a social life in dating sims.
Such a japanese thing? There were quite a few western romantic stories on the market, before Katawa Soujo. Novels, films, theatre plays, etc... What makes Visual Novels different, the fact that there you can choose which couple's story you want to read, or that they are "cartoon characters"?
 

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What makes Visual Novels different, the fact that there you can choose which couple's story you want to read, or that they are "cartoon characters"?
That they are social interaction games, that people take these as a replacement to actual social interactions, for christ sakes a guy even married a dating sim.
 

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I for one applaud this idea. Why would disabled teenage girls not be able to experience love and rivalry like other teens?
 

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Mr.K. said:
Alterego-X said:
What makes Visual Novels different, the fact that there you can choose which couple's story you want to read, or that they are "cartoon characters"?
That they are social interaction games, that people take these as a replacement to actual social interactions, for christ sakes a guy even married a dating sim.
And a woman married the Eiffel tower. Does that make it a "social interaction tower"?

The only interactivity you have with a visual novel, is choosing which linear, 70.000 word long storyline to read, often a single-click option. There is no physical control over the protagonist's acts, personality, or over the details of his dialogues.

Mass Effect's romantic sidequests have more social interaction, than a dozen visual novels combined.
 

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GreatTeacherCAW said:
Why is it so damn set on the disabled part? Why can't I choose?
The same reason you can't join the enemy faction in call of duty, and why you can't become a Daedra in the Elder Scrolls games, or date a disabled person in any other VN, because that's not what they wanted it to be, if you don't like it then it clearly isn't for you
 

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Alterego-X said:
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To all you guys who claim that are playing this game "for the story"..... Would you still play it if the cast wasn't all made of cute anime chicks? Would you play it if, for example, the cast was all males (maybe even non-attractive males)?
Yes. (And I'm a hetero male). I also know of straight women who are readig this.
I'm one of them *female* who enjoys these Visual Novels. I've also played the games Rhodo has played, but just because it's based off what you think Rhodo doesn't make what you say true. So keep spouting off whatever you want though.

I enjoyed Togainu no Chi though, does that make me some time of sex obsessed girl? Like I said before just because you don't care for the quality of Visual Novels doesn't downgrade them.
 

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GreatTeacherCAW said:
So you are telling me that disabled people only fantasize about having relations (sexual or not) with other disabled people, whom are placed into a nice cozy special school because of their disabilities? Blind people only seek out blind people, etc. I think they'd be more willing to date them because of low self esteem. Aren't you Escapist guys all about SUPER EQUALITY with the weird sexual preferences that go on here? Why must they seek out other disabled people? Why is it so damn set on the disabled part? Why can't I choose?
You can choose, you want to be able to pick 'perfectly healthy people'? Play a different game. I'm sure there's plenty of them offering that option. Of course some disabled people are going to have an attraction towards 'healthy people', but that's not the story they're telling here. Most people in their adolescence are surprise, surprise, most likely going to end up dating people from their school as those are the people they interact with most on a weekly basis and subsequently are most likely to be the ones they develop strong emotional connections with (and impetuous, fleeting crushes of course, these are teenagers after all). Now onto your bolded quote, which I think is the sentiment most people are taking issue with. You're implying that the only reason they'd have any interest in someone who is disabled, is because they feel that they can't do any better, that they'd push the nice paraplegic girl out of her wheelchair in order to get to the conventionally attractive blonde bombshell. Have you considered maybe they just don't find blondie all that attractive? That perhaps what you might deem to be attractive or desirebale traits might not fit the preferences of others. Just because you can't undersatnd what they might see in a person, doesn't meen the feelings aren't genuine. Yeah, they might have mear physical attraction towards Mary McAverage but so fucking what? All the notion of physical attraction is conveying is; 'yeah, you're just about attractive enough for me to fuck you' which is hardly a particularly unique or flattering quality. They might find the norms attractive, that doesn't mean they find anything else about them remotely appealing. And really, these are teenagers; so the healthy ones are largely going to be jejune, shallow, selfish and impetuous (as for the next few months I still am one, so I'm allowed to say this), most of them aren't mature or dedicated enough to accomadate themsleves to the needs and restrictions that a relaionship with someone with a disability would ential, some even seem pretty unnerved by their mere presence. So I feel that someone who's had to go through much more affliction and struggle in their daily lives will be much more willing to look beyond the surface and place much more importance on the personality, their's a greater sense of ease and humility between both parties (yes, this is a generalisation, but as far as majorities go I believe it to be true) and they have a much easier time identifying with and getting to know each other. So if you have a much easier and relaxed time talking with someone, in a much more hospitable environment than the outside world has to offer and these are the people which you are going to see and interact with most often, then yeah, I find it hardly surprising that they're more likely to engage in a relationship with a person who is also disabled.

OT: I'm not about to judge a book by it's cover, it could be genuine it could just be exploitative, it could border between the two. But let's face it, I and most of the other people reading and posting on this article I'm betting don't actually play dating sims and thus aren't going to give it a fair judgement anyway.

Kneejerk reactions FTW![/sarcasm]
 

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I'm a girl and Umineko no Naku Koro ni is my favourite "weird Japanese porn game".

I'm pretty much a sex addict help me. Next I'll be romancing up pigeons...

But seriously it looks cute. I don't see what's so particularly heinous about making a dating sim or whatever about disabled girls for a change. If anything, it reminds me of something, there's not enough disabled people in video games to begin with because so many of them are focused on violence and physically abled people doing physically abled things in general.

I didn't even finish the demo for this game a while back, sadly. Time to hurry up and catch up.
 

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LilithSlave said:
I'm a girl and Umineko no Naku Koro ni is my favourite "weird Japanese porn game".

I'm pretty much a sex addict help me. Next I'll be romancing up pigeons...
Are you sarcastic, or is my information about Umineko not having erotic content wrong?
 

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I'm seriously laughing at the people who discard this as a mere 'porn game for people with sick fetishes'.

It's a perfect example of the human nature that judges before you actually give it some thought, or before you give it a try.
 

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I decided to have a look on 4chan the other day, a place i'd never previously ventured. There was a sticky announcing the release of KS on /a/ with about 300 posts, I thought there was a second coming of christ or /a/ equivalent; another season of Madoka. Took me about 10 minutes just trying to work out what they were downloading.
 

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I like how it title says "Finally Out" as if everyone wanted to play a disabled girl dating sim
 

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[color="900,0,0"]Visual Novel =/= Dating Sim[/color], come on are you guys even trying? While the two may overlap (a VN might have dating sim elements or vice versa) they're entirely different things. Let's get this straight:

Visual novels are distinguished from other game types by their extremely minimal gameplay. Typically the majority of player interaction is limited to clicking to keep the text, graphics and sound moving (most recent games offer 'play' or 'fast-forward' toggles that make even this unnecessary).

Most visual novels have multiple storylines and many endings; the gameplay mechanic in these cases typically consists of intermittent multiple-choice decision points, where the player selects a direction in which to take the game. This style of gameplay has been compared to the Choose Your Own Adventure books. Most, however, strive for a higher level of plot and character depth than the aforementioned series of interactive children's books. These can be more closely compared to story-driven interactive fiction. While the plots and storytelling of mainstream video games is often criticized, many fans of visual novels hold them up as exceptions and identify this as a strong point of the genre.
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In a typical dating sim, the player controls a male avatar surrounded by female characters. The gameplay involves conversing with a selection of girls, attempting to increase their internal "love meter" through correct choices of dialogue. The game lasts for a fixed period of game time, such as one month or three years. When the game ends, the player either loses the game if he failed to properly win over any of the girls, or "finishes" one of the girls, often by having sex with her, marrying her, and/or achieving eternal love. This gives the games more replay value, since the player can focus on a different girl each time, trying to get a different ending.

Dating sims such as Tokimeki Memorial often revolve almost entirely around relationship-building, usually featuring complex character interactions and branching dialogue trees, and often presenting the player's possible responses word-for-word as the player character would say them. Dating sims such as Tokimeki Memorial, and some relationship-based role-playing games such as Shin Megami Tensei: Persona, often give choices that have a different number of associated "mood points" which influence a player character's relationship and future conversations with a non-player character. These games often feature a day-night cycle with a time scheduling system that provides context and relevance to character interactions, allowing players to choose when and if to interact with certain characters, which in turn influences their responses during later conversations.http://oi44.tinypic.com/mx0xs7.jpg
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The difference is that a visual novel is mostly a linear story with choice points that influence the outcome and dating sims are statistic based dating games that repeat the same formula over and over again. Going by these definitions, something like Dragon Age or Mass Effect has more dating sim elements than Katawa Shoujo has.
 

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LilithSlave said:
I'm a girl and Umineko no Naku Koro ni is my favourite "weird Japanese porn game".
Its complete lack of porn certainly is tantalizing.

I'm pretty much a sex addict help me. Next I'll be romancing up pigeons...
I'll help you!

With romancing the pigeons [http://vndb.org/v7836], that is.
 

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kuolonen said:
Febel said:
God forbid someone with disabilities actually understand the problems of other disabled people and thus be more willing to date them, as opposed to only seeking out "perfectly healthy people"
Hey! Stop right there! Dont you dare to bring reason into this comment section. Only kneejerk shallow displays of disgust are allowed here!
Right, sorry, sorry. Um..."GRRR THIS GAME MAKES ME DISGUSTED! NASTY PERVERTS! GRRRR."

Febel said:
GreatTeacherCAW said:
God forbid someone with disabilities actually understand the problems of other disabled people and thus be more willing to date them, as opposed to only seeking out "perfectly healthy people"
So you are telling me that disabled people only fantasize about having relations (sexual or not) with other disabled people, whom are placed into a nice cozy special school because of their disabilities? Blind people only seek out blind people, etc. I think they'd be more willing to date them because of low self esteem. Aren't you Escapist guys all about SUPER EQUALITY with the weird sexual preferences that go on here? Why must they seek out other disabled people?

I really shouldn't have said "perfectly healthy people" on this forum, with all of the self-diagnosed mental disorders that people throw around like a frisbee. But how is this any different from a game that lets people with cutting fetishes date others with the same? Why is it so damn set on the disabled part? Why can't I choose?
Nope, that's not what I'm telling you at all. I'm saying they might be more eager to seek out someone who understands what they go through. And besides, the game was, from the beginning, intended to focus on the disabiled girls since thats what it's inspiration did. If you want a game with normal girls go check out some other dating sim. Also you used "whom" wrongly.
 

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I think i heard about this game some years agon very demotivational.
I can't tell wether to vomit out of disgust or to give them a pat on the pat on the back for recognizing disabled peoples (albeit as unexpected as it is)
 

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rhodo said:
I speak as someone who knows and played dating syms. I know the genre really well. And precisely because I know the genre so well, I call it for what it is. It all boils down to being a DATING SYM... Even the tamest game ever (the Angelique series) deep down boils only to dating a virtual character... But keep in mind, the objective of the game is always to get the virtual girl/boy. Don't take them too seriously, or that makes me laugh... And because I know dating syms well, I know what they are.
Yet, apparently you don't know anything about VISUAL NOVELS. You just wrote down the entire genre as "pathetic nerds sugar-coating the name of dating syms", even if your definition of Dating sims is objectively wrong for most of them.

First of all, there many of them, such as Higurashi, where there are no romantic options AT ALL. It's just a horror/thriller story, where no one hooks up with anyone No kissing, no sex, no dating. And it's a Visual Novel. There are others, like Fate/Stay Night and Ever 17, where the main suspense/adventure plot is oly supported by some romantic subplots, in the same way as it is common in every other genre. And then there are stories like Katawa Shoujo, where the main plot IS a romance, but your statement about the "objective" to "get the virtual girl" is still ridiculously wrong, since they follow the Visual Novel execution, and rather than a simulator where you plan the details of a date, they are as linear text just like any other romance novel, except that there are also pictures and music. Some visual novels don't even give the option to choose routes.

As darkmind35 said, Mass Effect or Dragon Age are closer to Dating Sims than a Visual Novel, that is closer to actual novels. Or rather, comic books.
 

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Seriously, I think it's much more insensitive to say that such a game shouldn't exist. I've seen a couple people say it already, but don't handicapped people deserve to be loved as well? A lot of people seem to have a problem with the fact that the game revolves entirely around dating the handicapped girl...would you rather there be a game that only has one handicapped girl as a possibility amongst an assortment of otherwise goddess-class anime girls? What are the odds of the girl in the wheelchair getting picked over the bouncy class president/head of the girl's swim team?
 

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RJ 17 said:
Seriously, I think it's much more insensitive to say that such a game shouldn't exist. I've seen a couple people say it already, but don't handicapped people deserve to be loved as well? A lot of people seem to have a problem with the fact that the game revolves entirely around dating the handicapped girl...would you rather there be a game that only has one handicapped girl as a possibility amongst an assortment of otherwise goddess-class anime girls? What are the odds of the girl in the wheelchair getting picked over the bouncy class president/head of the girl's swim team?
Actually, I think it would be pretty good. Weakness is moe. There is also a classic "ill girl" archetype common in stories, though that's not a specific disability, just a perpertually bedridden girl.

Also, as I sid, there are already other visual novel heroines like the half-eyed, anterograde amnesiac Chihiro in "ef: A Fairy Tale of the Two", though that's an entirely linear VN plot, so her being picked is not a question.

Disability in Visual Novels is not a new thing, this one only got publicity on gaming sites because it's a very hyped western work.