Disney- What is the Real Reason?

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GodsOneMistake

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Because the movies we grew up with were actually good. Not like the bullshit Disney spits out for the new generation. I swear those kids are gonna be fucking dipshits if Disney doesn't stop.
 

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ElephantGuts said:
Because Walt Disney was an anti-semitic Nazi-loving prick.
that reminds me of family guy, when they finally thaw out Walt
Walt: are the jews gone?
Scientist: well no
Walt: PUT ME BACK IN FOR 500 YEARS!!!

gotta love family guy
 

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Queen Michael said:
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Because most of their movies rip off old books gutting them and dumbing them down and in some cases they just find a 20 year old foreign film, add some Elton John music and a couple of funny animals and try to pass it off as original (Aladdin was a rip off of the Tales of the Arabian Nights and Lion King ripped off a Japanese animated film from 20 years before it, Disney is still paying court ordered royalties for that one.)
Aladdin is a story from the Tales of the Arabian Nights. You might as well say that the movie Spider-man ripped off Stan Lee's comic books about Spider-man or that the movie A Christmas Carol ripped of Charles Dickens. Rip-off means that you take someone elses idea and try to make people think you came up with it.

And about Lion King, if anything that is a "rip-off" of Hamlet. His father comes back in ghost form to motivate him to take revenge on his uncle, who secretly killed daddy... The only likenesses I know of between the Japanese movie and Lion King is that both the protagonists are lion cubs (is that the right word?) named Simba or Kimba (Simba means "lion", it's hardly a unique idea for a name) and that they look up at the starry sky at night, which is such an obviously good idea that anyone would come up with it. Feel free to point out similarities I've missed.
That is what I am saying, how is retelling a story sealing the idea? If I read the Cat in the Hat to my future kids, am I stealing the story, or telling the story?
 

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*feels like a lost soul in the middle of a confusing battleground*

It was simple for me, I like cartoons I don't like 'live' childerens comedy. Ever.
I liked most of disneys cartoon classics and recent works, I never liked their live work, when they began focusing on the latter, I stoped giving a hoot about them. Kinda simple. Pixar for the win =)
 

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I'd love to see everyone's sources for saying Walt Disney was an anti-semitic Nazi sympathizer. And Family Guy doesn't count as a reliable source.
 

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So here is my question to The Escapist members, is it Disney's fault that the current generation has been dumbed down into liking the current selection of Disney products? Should they be criticized because they know who they are selling their products to?

I say the criticism should stop! Its not Disney's fault that the kids like this crap, they need to make money don't they?

Another question, now that they have started these new products, will they be able to make another classic like previous Disney movies, or are the destined to be stuck with what they have started? And will a great cartoon bring them back to their former glory or is it too late?
I don't think it's disney's fault, and I don't think kids are "dumbed down" by it either. There are just so many more products out there for kids that didn't exist when, say, I was a child.(I'm 29) When it comes to things like Hannah Montana, the Jonas Bros., etc, give it a couple years and they'll be gone. They'll get a bit older and disappear, only to reappear in a where are they now special. it's like that with every generation, there will always be crap. But not to the kids who lived it. Remember Power Rangers? Or Saved by the Bell? people older than the target audience thought they were crap, but the kids ate it up. Just wait until these kids get to be 18, 19 years old. They'll look back, smile, and say, "God, remember Miley Cyrus?" Just like I can look back and say, "Man, remember New Kids On The Block? They were the biggest thing ever, and now look, they're a joke.
As for the movies, I don't think there'll be another classic in the traditional sense of animation. But, people put Pixar and Disney in this weird niche of sepeerate but the same. people will say, Pixar's good, Disney sucks, but they're part of the same company. While we may not consider them "classics" yet, give it a few years, and flicks such as "Ratatouille"(I hope), "Toy Story", and "Wall-E" will hold the same status as "Cinderella", "Peter Pan", and "101 Dalmations".
Thank you for your time.
 

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chefassassin2 said:
Shapsters said:
So here is my question to The Escapist members, is it Disney's fault that the current generation has been dumbed down into liking the current selection of Disney products? Should they be criticized because they know who they are selling their products to?

I say the criticism should stop! Its not Disney's fault that the kids like this crap, they need to make money don't they?

Another question, now that they have started these new products, will they be able to make another classic like previous Disney movies, or are the destined to be stuck with what they have started? And will a great cartoon bring them back to their former glory or is it too late?
I don't think it's disney's fault, and I don't think kids are "dumbed down" by it either. There are just so many more products out there for kids that didn't exist when, say, I was a child.(I'm 29) When it comes to things like Hannah Montana, the Jonas Bros., etc, give it a couple years and they'll be gone. They'll get a bit older and disappear, only to reappear in a where are they now special. it's like that with every generation, there will always be crap. But not to the kids who lived it. Remember Power Rangers? Or Saved by the Bell? people older than the target audience thought they were crap, but the kids ate it up. Just wait until these kids get to be 18, 19 years old. They'll look back, smile, and say, "God, remember Miley Cyrus?" Just like I can look back and say, "Man, remember New Kids On The Block? They were the biggest thing ever, and now look, they're a joke.
As for the movies, I don't think there'll be another classic in the traditional sense of animation. But, people put Pixar and Disney in this weird niche of sepeerate but the same. people will say, Pixar's good, Disney sucks, but they're part of the same company. While we may not consider them "classics" yet, give it a few years, and flicks such as "Ratatouille"(I hope), "Toy Story", and "Wall-E" will hold the same status as "Cinderella", "Peter Pan", and "101 Dalmations".
Thank you for your time.
Thank you for responding to my question, unlike most of the posters here.

I don't think they will be able to make another Lion King-esque classic movie, the songs, the story, the pure entertainment. But cartoons like that are enjoyable to watch for the entire family, and enjoyable to watch many times. That is why Pixar is so popular, I could watch all of their movies tons of times and not get bored, the same could be said for movies like Lion King, Aladdin, and other classics.

Hannah Montana and Jonas brother etc are only geared toward the kids, and are excruciating to watch even once for older people. They need to sr making more family geared cartoons, I wonder how their next cartoon is going to turn out?(Princess and the Frog)
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Khell_Sennet said:
Anything to make a buck, the Disney motto.
Totally unlike the Microsoft/Apple/Smith Kline Beecham/etc. mottos then? :)

Even Valve, Bungie and DoubleFine aren't exactly original.
Last I checked, companies need to make money. Why would they be making movies if not for making money?! I don't understand why people are saying they will do anything for money, because what company wouldn't? If you owned a company, would you not put out cheap merchandise so you can make extra money? Because I sure as hell would, you need money to make movies.
 

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Shapsters said:
ElephantGuts said:
Shapsters said:
ElephantGuts said:
Besides, I wanted to say something different than complaining about the crappy shows and music they shove down our children's throats, as I knew plenty of people would.

And I don't think my statement required any explanation, or how I would even go about doing that.
Why would you want to say something different? I asked a question so you say something completely of topic and irrelevant?
Dammit it was not off topic! You asked why I hate Disney and I answered, because of how it started. I'm sorry if you don't feel that's a valid reason but you didn't specify "reasons I feel are valid only" in the OP.
Now see this leads me to believe you did not read my OP, because at no point did I ask why you hate Disney, these were my questions,

"Is it Disney's fault that the current generation has been dumbed down into liking the current selection of Disney products? Should they be criticized because they know who they are selling their products to?"

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"Now that they have started these new products, will they be able to make another classic like previous Disney movies, or are the destined to be stuck with what they have started? And will a great cartoon bring them back to their former glory or is it too late?"

Please reread my OP and find the part where I said,
'Why do you hate Disney?'
And I will gladly consider your opinion, until that time, start reading OPs.
You did not exactly ask that, but considering the title of the OP (which was apparently extremely misleading) and that you were discussing the criticism of Disney, I thought it would be appropriate to add why I hate Disney. Apparently I was wrong in thinking that, and I'm sorry. But I did read the OP, please stop accusing me of not doing so. I just took it the wrong way and misunderstood how specific it was being. So for that, I apologize.
 

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Shapsters said:
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Thank you for responding to my question, unlike most of the posters here.

My pleasure! Thanks for understanding what I had to say. I've worked about 28 hours in the past two days, so I was hoping it would at least make some kind of sense. Sorry if any of it got garbled or weird!
 

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ElephantGuts said:
Shapsters said:
ElephantGuts said:
Besides, I wanted to say something different than complaining about the crappy shows and music they shove down our children's throats, as I knew plenty of people would.

And I don't think my statement required any explanation, or how I would even go about doing that.
Why would you want to say something different? I asked a question so you say something completely of topic and irrelevant?
Dammit it was not off topic! You asked why I hate Disney and I answered, because of how it started. I'm sorry if you don't feel that's a valid reason but you didn't specify "reasons I feel are valid only" in the OP.
What you have done, is the equivalent of going to a Thread asking:

'Why is Xbox Live a better service than PSN?'

And jumped in the with the first post of:

"Because Halo sux bawls and is the shittest game ever."

Its related to the topic, but not the question.

Is it a bit clearer now?
 

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ElephantGuts said:
Because Walt Disney was an anti-semitic Nazi-loving prick.
This. And their alliance with McDonalds. Their blatant brainwashing of children. And now this upsurge in garbage like Hannah Montana. Lowering standards by a couple of kilometres.
Granted, they've made a lot of good films, but that doesn't make them kosher by any means, in the face of all the crap they've unleashed upon a gullible world.
 

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Disney are a company designed for making money. I don't think anyone can deny that. Disney however are not as hidiously evil as everybody thinks they are. Sure, they do what kids want, but they sell to kids (or specifically parents of kids). It would be strange if they didn't target children. I challenge you to look at a film from your childhood, and tell me if you think it's pap or not.
Disney have also done a lot for the world. They pioneered afterschool cartoons, gave us some of the greatest cartoon characters of all time, relaunched the musical genre and wrote some of the great music of the last 50 years or so.
 

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Khell_Sennet said:
L33tsauce_Marty said:
A teacher of mine put it this way:
"Disney has never made a decision that wouldn't earn them a lot of money."
Then explain Fantasia, Michael Eisner, and Euro Disney Resort to name a few... Euro Disneyland was opened in '92, but didn't show a profit until '95 when they renamed it Disneyland Paris. And we aren't talking "Oh we have to recoup the cost of construction" lack of profit, but "Oh people can't fucking stand the place" no profit.
So they built it for charity?
 

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I love the old Disney films. Just this afternoon I half-watched The Fox and the Hound whilst surfing the web, and it was awesome. Full of that old Disney magic.

I think I agree more with the OP, if kids today like all this new Disney stuff, can't blame them for milking it for all the money they can.
 

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The movies and TV shows are pandering to an audience that are heavily influenced my mass media who want their slice of the teenage demographic.( Therefore "Dumb Dudes who like alcohol" and "*ahem* Promiscuous girls" if one wanted to sound like a deplorably frank descriptor.)
These all compounded with the technological revolution that entertained the modern makers of these films when they were children.
Eg: Producers who grew up with Transformers, watching their kids love Gundam, brings problems.

It would be more this than the fact that Disney axed traditional movies, seeing as Walt Disney died in 1966.
For these reasons, I make a strong distiction:
Walt Disney Animation Studios, from the makers of 101 Dalmations and The Hunchback of Notré Dame, comes
The Disney Corperation, giving you poor child-pandering trite filth since 2000.

Pixar Animation Studios is the only part of WDAS that still truly lives.
 

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Armitage Shanks said:
ElephantGuts said:
Shapsters said:
ElephantGuts said:
Besides, I wanted to say something different than complaining about the crappy shows and music they shove down our children's throats, as I knew plenty of people would.

And I don't think my statement required any explanation, or how I would even go about doing that.
Why would you want to say something different? I asked a question so you say something completely of topic and irrelevant?
Dammit it was not off topic! You asked why I hate Disney and I answered, because of how it started. I'm sorry if you don't feel that's a valid reason but you didn't specify "reasons I feel are valid only" in the OP.
What you have done, is the equivalent of going to a Thread asking:

'Why is Xbox Live a better service than PSN?'

And jumped in the with the first post of:

"Because Halo sux bawls and is the shittest game ever."

Its related to the topic, but not the question.

Is it a bit clearer now?
Okay, okay, I got it. I misunderstood the intention of the OP and I fucked up and I apologized. Everything is perfectly clear. Happy now?