DmC: Devil May Cry - Honest Opinions

[King Billi]

I'm not a fan of the games so if my reaction is the same as the 'fan' reaction then it is merely coincidental shared viewpoint.

I don't know the rules on posting links, but in this instance, it is the fastest way to prove my point.

http://www.gamewallpapers.com/previews_480x300/wallpaper_dmc_devil_may_cry_02.jpg


That horse shit is everything wrong with gaming "culture" today and dumb rebooted Dante is right there in the middle of it. I don't want any part of this hypermasculinized crap trash. Regardless of the arc old Dante had, he wasn't conceived as a foul-mouthed high school hard-on jughead. We need characters like Jade from Beyond Good and Evil. We need characters like Lee and Clementine. We need characters that don't set gaming back a year every time they open their mouths for a line of dimwitted dialogue.

Actually that "horse shit" has nothing to do with what is wrong with gaming culture today at all and it also isn't setting gaming back one step by its existence in the same way that the Transformers aren't setting film back or Twilight isn't setting literature back. All forms of creative media are allowed to appeal to whatever audience may exist for them regardless of whether you personally find it "distasteful" or not.

 

[Darzok]

I loved the first two then the 3rd just put me off and i stoped playing DMC.

The new DMC who the hell is that on the box art as he looks like some little skinny emo 15 year old where is our old bad arse dante.

 

[Smooth Operator]

This normally goes in the review section... where we happily ignore it

Actually for anyone above the age of 15 I suggest you do skip the first half of cut-scenes, otherwise you will be inclined to strangle some kittens.
Can't tell if the dialog writer was 12 and playing CoD or was channeling ones spirit, either way he nailed it.

And yes combat has fallen down the horrid canyon, which makes this spectacle fighter a completely pointless object for me.

 

[pspman45]

I downloaded the demo on PS3 last night to try it out
it was like so trippy, the colors got all saturated and the overall visual design was phenomenal, but the sound kept cutting out randomly which really broke the flow of it
the gameplay was pretty solid, with neat combat and the whole switching weapons mechanic
there were some neat secret areas that I didn't figure out about until my second run through it.
seems pretty good, but I was never very good at the DMC games, so I might have to play this on easy/normal

 

[Phasmal]

Honestly, I really didn't like the demo.
This game is totally not for me, which I think is a bit of a shame, but it's hard to voice right now with everyone being like `YOU JUST DON'T LIKE IT CAUSE THEY CHANGED THINGS!`.
Still, newdante looks like the scout to me...

 

[Christopher Fisher]

Honestly, I really didn't like the demo.
This game is totally not for me, which I think is a bit of a shame, but it's hard to voice right now with everyone being like `YOU JUST DON'T LIKE IT CAUSE THEY CHANGED THINGS!`.
Still, newdante looks like the scout to me...

People are saying that because, quite frankly, most people that have been bitching about the game are usually bitching about how they changed Dante's look/behaivor, not the gameplay which looks in line with every other game in the series.

 

[ScrabbitRabbit]

I'm surprised at how many people like the visual design. When I played the demo I thought it was hideous.

The combat was OK; a step down from previous DMC titles, but it was an incredible improvement over Heavenly Sword (the only previous Ninja Theory game I've played and a game). The slowdown hurt it immensely, though.

I don't know enough about the story to judge it, but the dialogue in the demo is horrendous. Then again, none of the DMC games have had a good story. I didn't like Dante as a character even in the previous games, I just liked killing shit.

not the gameplay which looks in line with every other game in the series.

Um, plenty of people have complained about the gameplay, which is really quite different to the other games in the series. It's still in the same genre, yes, but the combat system and level design are both very different.

 

[ZLAY]

Imho the game isn't complete shit, it's pretty average at best, but the real problem is that this was meant to be something that would "refresh" the dmc series yet all it did was shat all over it. Ruined style mechanic, overall game flow, characters etc.

As a bland and forgettable hack & slash game - it's okay, but as a juicy-fast-action-spectacle-fighter game - it's horseshit.

 

[Shadowstar38]

Yeah...this game is still irredeemable to me. The worries I've had about this game that didn't even involve Dante went unheard if the demo was anything to go by. It just felt forgettable. For a DMC game, that's not really something you should shoot for.

I'll just let this one fade into memory and hope Capcom keeps their franchises far away from Ninja Theory in the future.

 

[BrotherRool]

The PR team did a terrible terrible job. Look at the number of people in the thread who've completely written off the game. I agree that it would have been better to have practically no publicity at all.

I loved the first two then the 3rd just put me off and i stoped playing DMC.

The new DMC who the hell is that on the box art as he looks like some little skinny emo 15 year old where is our old bad arse dante.

^^^^for instance^^^^

That guy liked DMC2, so his opinion was ruled out to start with =D


Anyway

The thing is, it doesn't matter what the rest of the game is like because they've turned Dante from an interesting, confident, unique badass into the persona of the worst kind of gamers. It pains me to think this is what gaming companies think players relate to. It scares me more that they're partially right.

Dante looks and acts like a self-entitled homeroom cut-up. I'm surprised his special attacks don't involve him fondling cheerleaders at parties against their will and trying to sneak into movies without being caught.

I'd rather actually play a game where the protagonist is a literal log of feces than endure the sexist, masochistic garbage that is this reboot.

Hey Scrivener, any comments on the quote below?

He starts out as a totally unlikable, misanthropic and selfish bellend, living in a dirty-ass trailer & refusing any help he is handed, but becomes something more akin to the Dante we all used to know. There's something very "Hero's Journey" about this iteration of Dante.

 

[bafrali]

Honestly Franchise was fucked either way. It was either Capcom who have no real vision behind their products or pretentious Ninja Thory who is so gosh darned amazed by their work.

I will substitute my own reality where DMC franchise ended within PS2 era...with only odd numbered games.

BTW I found something really funny.

https://twitter.com/NinjaTheory/status/288236604223528960

I am not pointing any fingers. It is probably a coincidence anyway.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Bottom line is, this game isn't worth $60, and Ninja Theory should have known that. When you're developing a new game in a well known series, your primary concern should be "will this satisfy our existing fanbase".

What the fuck were these guys thinking?

 

[Brainwreck]

But I want the old super flamboyant Dante back! He was stupid and different and kinda weirdly endearing!
This guy's just a boring emo fuck.

 

[Kyrinn]

Honestly, I really didn't like the demo.
This game is totally not for me, which I think is a bit of a shame, but it's hard to voice right now with everyone being like `YOU JUST DON'T LIKE IT CAUSE THEY CHANGED THINGS!`.
Still, newdante looks like the scout to me...

People are saying that because, quite frankly, most people that have been bitching about the game are usually bitching about how they changed Dante's look/behaivor, not the gameplay which looks in line with every other game in the series.

I'm sure people would have been fine if the new design wasn't pretty much what Dante would look like had be been cast into the Twillight universe. This may come as a shock to some people but you can change a character appearance and behaviour with minimal complaints, it just has to be done right. Unfortunately Ninja Theory did this and then started shouting "WE'RE TAKING THIS IN A NEW DIRECTION IT'S ARTISTIC SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU'RE JUST A BUTTHURT FANBOY! LOOK AT US WE'RE SO EDGY *self-five*". It doesn't help that many like to parrot this statement as some sort of argument in support for the game...I never understood that.

As for the game, haven't played it yet but I hope it's good. We're due for a good Devil May Cry game and I hope DMC doesn't ruin pattern.

 

[The_Scrivener]

I'm not a fan of the games so if my reaction is the same as the 'fan' reaction then it is merely coincidental shared viewpoint.

I don't know the rules on posting links, but in this instance, it is the fastest way to prove my point.

http://www.gamewallpapers.com/previews_480x300/wallpaper_dmc_devil_may_cry_02.jpg


That horse shit is everything wrong with gaming "culture" today and dumb rebooted Dante is right there in the middle of it. I don't want any part of this hypermasculinized crap trash. Regardless of the arc old Dante had, he wasn't conceived as a foul-mouthed high school hard-on jughead. We need characters like Jade from Beyond Good and Evil. We need characters like Lee and Clementine. We need characters that don't set gaming back a year every time they open their mouths for a line of dimwitted dialogue.

Actually that "horse shit" has nothing to do with what is wrong with gaming culture today at all and it also isn't setting gaming back one step by its existence in the same way that the Transformers aren't setting film back or Twilight isn't setting literature back. All forms of creative media are allowed to appeal to whatever audience may exist for them regardless of whether you personally find it "distasteful" or not.

Hollywood isn't fighting a war right now to prove it isn't sexist. Video games are. Hollywood has enough art films and quality inspired titles every year that it can spend the summer releasing bells and whistles pictures. Video gaming doesn't have the luxury of thousands of games like Journey or Portal to help safety net the perception of the culture as a whole. For every Beyond Good and Evil there are 10 Devil May Cry Dante's about to spread a load on 5 submissive angels. That isn't progress.

And to the other post asking what I think about Dante's character arc, I doubt those who view the above promotional picture are thinking the game is going to be the charming hero's journey described.

 

[BlueberryMUNCH]

I'm really glad I'm not a fan of Devil May Cry... Cause I really wouldn't want to be associated in any way with the people out there bitching about this new game and all its supposed sins... The behavior of some of the "fans" really has been far FAR worse than anything I've seen from Ninja Theory.


Seriously people, amend your attitude.

Couldn't have said it better myself, I know exactly what you mean.
I like the look of the game, I might well invest in it.

But jesus, some of you are making embarrassments of yourself. Bloody hell.

 

[Kitsune Hunter]

I'm really glad I'm not a fan of Devil May Cry... Cause I really wouldn't want to be associated in any way with the people out there bitching about this new game and all its supposed sins... The behavior of some of the "fans" really has been far FAR worse than anything I've seen from Ninja Theory.


Seriously people, amend your attitude.

100% agree, no wonder Capcom has a reputation of f**king with their fanbase, I would as well if I had a fanbase full of ungrateful, immature pricks, just read some of the comments of the DmC review on Destructoid

http://www.destructoid.com/review-dmc-devil-may-cry-242002.phtml

OP: I actually like the game after playing the demo and I'm impressed that Ninja Theory pulled it off, granted I didn't like it at first, but you know what I did next , I got over it and gave it the benefit of the doubt (what some fans should have done). I get why some fans didn't like it, but come on, can they at least admit DmC isn't the worst Devil May Cry, I'm looking at you DMC2

PS: on the subject of DMC2, I noticed some fans calling the new Dante an emo, making me question if they even know the meaning of the word, yeah newsflash, Dante from DMC2, yeah that is an emo

 

[dimensional]

4 was all over the place, I think by then Capcom had actually started to use him as a parody of himself.

I think that was happening by the time they made the second one to be honest they just couldnt replicate the same Dante as the first in 2 and 3 he just seemed a caricature of his original self albeit in different ways as for the fourth I never got very far in that I gave up very early on with Nero I had just had enough 2 and 3 failed to appeal to me in the same way the original did and then ofc Bayonetta came along and made the series redundant with its superb gameplay.

I think they lost their way basically while I am not a fan of the new Dante look I wasnt particularly attached to the old one either I just liked him for his cool moves and ridiculous nonsensical one liners in the first DMC as well as his terrible drama scenes, in the sequels I feel he lost this likebality. When it came to the rest of the cast I always found it a bit hit and miss I quite liked Trish and Lucia but couldnt stand Vergil (Except when he was the black knight then he was awesome) and Nero while I have no real opinions on Lady.

As for the new game I have only played the demo and I was fairly impressed more so than I have been by DMC in a long time the combat seems smoother but quite finicky sometimes without a lock on and on occasion it just dosent flow right but it certainly seems playable and less stop start than prievious DMC games. Still its not on the same level as Bayonetta or even Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2 which raised the bar again after the original DMC had raised it the first time.

The environments look amazing and I was very impressed with those parts, storywise I have no idea what its like but I imagine it involves some demonic world ending threat in some way that Dante has to overcome. I liked Heavenly sword and Enslaved stories though so maybe there is hope well actually it was the characters I liked in Heavenly Sword the story itself was just ok.

This isnt a full price purchase for me however but then very very few games are now usually they just sit on the shelf for a few months before I get to play anyway so may as well leave it on the shops shelf and buy it cheap later instead, I may get it later I will have to see if it wasnt a reboot and just a DMC5 odds are it would be a definite non purchase for me though seeing the way my feelings on the series were going.

 

[MailOrderClone]

I am not, in any way, shape or form, a fan of the previous Devil May Cry games. I thought that they were nice from what little I played of them, but I could never really get into them.

I am, however, a fan of Ninja Theory's previous games. Loved Heavenly Sword, still defend Enslaved in spite of it's faults, all primarily because they had solidly told and interesting, if at times inconsistent, storytelling. Ninja Theory were supposed to take this game series that had previously been known for it's combat and take it in a new, story-oriented direction.

And they failed, spectacularly. The story they came up with is the kind of juvenile power fantasy that you would expect out of a middle-school student, with boring and trite dialogue and some of the worst one-liners you're ever going to hear in a game. Worse still is the cast of characters, one of whom is effectively a cardboard cutout, another who is cartoonishly inconsistent in his actions throughout the run of the game, and a protagonist who seems to go out of his way to Poochy is up, only to result in the most unintentionally loathsome player character in recent gaming history.

If you take it all as a farce then you may be able to get some enjoyment out of the story in this game, but that's a defense mechanism. This is, far and away, Ninja Theory's worst game from a storytelling prospective, and I continue to be shocked and appalled that such a formerly outstanding studio would release a product of such low quality.

 

[Khanht Cope]

This is what confuses me about fan reaction to the game. The only game where Dante has had any kind of character arc was the first. We learned more about him and he showed some kind of emotion. In 2, he was a miserable and silent "badass" all the way through. In 3 all Dante needed to get was his Devil Trigger. Apart from that, he remained the same cocky yet entertaining person throughout. 4 was all over the place, I think by then Capcom had actually started to use him as a parody of himself.

At least in this iteration he has grounded reasons for living the way he lives and changes gradually as he finds himself to be accepted by his brother and human friend.

I haven't played the game yet (as I'm waiting to get a lag-free gaming TV/monitor to play it on) to form my own opinions on it, but what's important to me about the game for now is that people are intellectually honest and fair about it.

Yours definately seems that way. Although I did also think detractors were out of hand ahead of Ninja Gaiden 3, and when I tried out the demo, I realised they had been right the whole time and the devs really had badly misjudged and watered down the defining strengths of their series.

Your post seems very fair and balanced, for now. If nothing else, it's very refreshing to read when so many other perspectives on the game come across as historically compounded rationalization. I've avoided spoilers and extended footage of the game ahead of release; but based on what I've seen, I'm convinced I'll enjoy it quite a lot. But then, like Ninja Gaiden, I haven't really 'felt' the gameplay yet.

It's a shame this topic, like any other about the game appears to have degraded away from a well-balanced start so quickly.