DmC: Devil May Cry - Honest Opinions

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

I am not, in any way, shape or form, a fan of the previous Devil May Cry games. I thought that they were nice from what little I played of them, but I could never really get into them.

I am, however, a fan of Ninja Theory's previous games. Loved Heavenly Sword, still defend Enslaved in spite of it's faults, all primarily because they had solidly told and interesting, if at times inconsistent, storytelling. Ninja Theory were supposed to take this game series that had previously been known for it's combat and take it in a new, story-oriented direction.

And they failed, spectacularly. The story they came up with is the kind of juvenile power fantasy that you would expect out of a middle-school student, with boring and trite dialogue and some of the worst one-liners you're ever going to hear in a game. Worse still is the cast of characters, one of whom is effectively a cardboard cutout, another who is cartoonishly inconsistent in his actions throughout the run of the game, and a protagonist who seems to go out of his way to Poochy is up, only to result in the most unintentionally loathsome player character in recent gaming history.

If you take it all as a farce then you may be able to get some enjoyment out of the story in this game, but that's a defense mechanism. This is, far and away, Ninja Theory's worst game from a storytelling prospective, and I continue to be shocked and appalled that such a formerly outstanding studio would release a product of such low quality.

Because Ninja Theory are actually a bunch of frauds when it comes to story-telling. They had to get other people (like Rhianna Pratchett and Alex Garland) to write their games FOR THEM. THIS is NT's actual talent and it's not a lot.

 

[theevilgenius60]

I'm playing it right now, I'm about to infiltrate the news anchor's prison. So far, it's been a hell of a fun game. The combat and levels feel very Devil May Cry. Using Eryx in conjunction with the scythe and whip is about as fun as it gets. I'm taking it kind of slow, as I've had work and Sir Hammerlock beckons, but so far it's been top notch( not that I expected anything else from the people who gave me Enslaved and Heavely Sword).

 

[mrhappy1489]

Is this reaction really necessary? I haven't seen much of the game nor have I played it, but the response from the fans is embarrassing to say the least, with the major complaint seeming to be, grar it's not the same as the previous games, therefore is shit. I have to ask how many of you have played the game itself, I mean seriously the amount of hate seems indirectly proportional to the amount who have actually played it and for what exactly, what are you hoping to accomplish? I'm mean lets pretend that it is as abysmal as some many of you are saying it is, what is lost? Someone took a chance on trying to add their own touch to a game and reinvigorate a series that from where I'm sitting looked dead since the release of number 4. It didn't work but at least they're trying something new and if they have to borrow the title of a series to actually try it then more power to them. The funny thing is though, it looks like a number of people have actually enjoyed it and thought it was pretty damn good. It's like those people who complain about the Hobbit not being the same as LOTR, it's a different product and should be judges on it's own merits not that of its predecessor. It is a reboot after all, shouldn't the judgement be based on what it was trying to accomplish not what you wanted it to accomplish? Also complaining about the appearance of the main character is stupid, pure and simple. If it was legitimately bad then yes I totally get it, but it's not even that poor, not the best but I've seen significantly worse.

 

[aguspal]

*edit* I am very sorry, I didnt meant to post that here LOL. Someone can delete posts maybe?

 

[Brainwreck]

I liked the old Dante. He was retarded and often obnoxious, but his voice acting was solid and he had a stupid charm. Unlike this one.
But that's not even relevant. DMC is hardly something you play for a story or characters. It's about one thing, and one thing only: combat. Gratuitous, difficult, lightning-fast, crazy combat. And they fucked that up.
I'll probably never forgive them and stuff.

 

[King Billi]

Because Ninja Theory are actually a bunch of frauds when it comes to story-telling. They had to get other people (like Rhianna Pratchett and Alex Garland) to write their games FOR THEM. THIS is NT's actual talent and it's not a lot.

Frauds? Seriously? Ninja Theory are just out to take credit for other peoples work is that it?

I can only speak in regards to Enslaved: Odyssey to the West but I recall Alex Garland being given massive dues for his work on the story for that game in nearly every piece of publicity I saw... His name is even listed twice on the back of the bloody cover for the game as Co-writer so I can't see how you can imply Ninja Theory being frauds..?

Are you just trying to say f**k it to any form of creative collaboration? Or just when it applys to Ninja Theory?

 

[lapan]

The reboot was necessary because DMC4 wrote itself into a corner with Dante passing the torch to Nero, who nobody likes.

Anyway, that's my rant/rundown. I played every Devil May Cry to date, and beat each one (yes, even 2) more times than I could possibly count or prove, and I feel that this is the best possible direction in the series. You are all, of course, encouraged to form your own opinions, I only ask that you make them as educated opinions as possible. You don't have to agree with my views, but please take the time to consider what other roads were open to the dev/writing teams before you scream about them taking a wrong turn. We might have ended up with a new trilogy about Sparda's grandchildren, or an entire series surrounding Nero. In the end, the writers painted themselves into a corner, and laying down new floors left the fewest footprints.

I prefer Nero by a lot over the new Dante whose "humor" is reduced to profanity. The dialog of DmC brings us such hilarious oneliners as "I have a bigger dick" (Vergil) or Dante smiling while talking about how fun it was to kill Mundos unborn baby, not to mention that abomination of a bossfight that is "the secret ingredient".

The controls of the game are also pretty bad with the whips and weaponswitching on the same button. More than once i found myself using them when i didn't want to in the demo. It also seems a ton easier to pull of high style-points.

There is also tons of plattforming sequences which don't fit the action feel of the game and during which you can't die anyways, rendering them mostly pointless.

 

[Archer666]

From playing the demo, I think its okay. It seems kinda easy and has a questionable choice of enemies(YOU CAN ONLY HURT THIS ONE WITH ANGEL POWERS! AND THIS ONE ONLY WITH DEMON POWERS) but its not bad. Just a shame that the gameplay is so slow compared to the other DMCs. The grittiness is nice and the Limbo parts look amazing. The look of this game is perfect, I'll give NT that. It's no DMC 3 or 4 though.

Also, the game's misuse of "Nephilim" is kind of annoying. Nephilim were born of "The sons of God" and "The daughters of man", not between demons and angels. As far as I know there is no name for a child born of angel and demon parents.

I'll probably buy this game after it comes out on the PC and the price drops a little bit. And after I 100% Revengeance.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

Since two days ago my roomie finally caved in and decided to grab it for the 360 and to his surprise he felt fooled and is currently thinking of turning it in for store credit to go buy something else.

I can't blame him since he's an old Devil May Cry fan himself like me and while I warned him the new version wouldn't be anything like what we had enjoyed back then he still went and bought it.

So in the end I got to watch him play it for around 10 hrs before he finally decided to call it quits (He offered me a go to which I flat out declined in a heartbeat).

To the both of us this is not the DMC we loved and remembered but something "totally different and not original".

I'd also like to point something out since a lot of "pro DMC" fans seem to jump on the vets regardless of their opinions I will ask you this:

How would you like it if everything you ever loved or even liked at all were to suddenly change into something you hate to the point where you are backed into a corner with nothing to like at all but a constant change to something you will dislike?.

That and if we are going to reboot DMC let's reboot every single game imaginable and see the massive collective reaction because not every game needs an entire change seeing as how nw IP's can be used for total creative change that many of us have beckoned for.

Oh and seeing as how we're giving this new DMC a jolly good supportive shot let's also do the same for the next Homefront and WOW expansion etc since praise means absolutely nothing any more along with negative criticism

 

[V1rax]

I think the issue people have with anything like this is the fact no one likes change; yet we complain and complain about things that don't.

No, that's not it at all. No one likes change if it changes something well established. Most people don't want too much change in individual IP's, they want change in what new IP's are created.

My final thoughts so far (I haven't beaten it) is that this game is Ninjas theory take on a established franchise that was lacking innovation and creativity. They choose to do something different with it instead of just cashing in and trying to make something that followed the originals (ex. Halo 3 to Halo 4). Capcom as a publisher took a risk on the project and it worked in my opinion.

I could bend this another way. Perhaps they didn't take a risk by changing it. Perhaps ninja theory wanted to make something new but Capcom didn't want to take the risk so they gave them the DMC name to coast on. That's just as bad as making minimal changes to a series.

Everyone who is complaining about the storytelling, the gameplay, or the mechanics are just unwilling to accept change and are the reasons we will always have COD, Halo, and constant sequels that never evolve over the period of there existence.

Really? So people can't have legitimate criticism for the game, they're just being stubborn. That's not really something to say if you want a legitimate discussion.

To your points:
1: I stand by what I said. As human being we are lazy, irritable, habitual creatures who are scared of change.

2: See that doesn't make any sense to me. Ninja Theory didn't do well with Enslaved... as a developer they wouldn't of been given many options to continue production on a brand new IP. I think Capcom came to them to create a new DMC game and thats what they did. Capcom wouldn't of let Ninja Theory do what they did if it wasn't what they wanted. Capcom has shown it does what it wants with its series (RE6, Lost Planet etc).

3: I'm not looking for legitimate discussion about anything. People on this board tend to complain and complain about something they should NOT have control over. I don't think gamers have the right to tell developers how to make games (Mass effect 3, Resident Evil 6). If you don't like it don't buy it. Don't buy it and complain about something, your not special. Just because we have the internet doesn't give you some magic ability to control how games are developed.

How would you like it if everything you ever loved or even liked at all were to suddenly change into something you hate to the point where you are backed into a corner with nothing to like at all but a constant change to something you will dislike?.

Happened to COD. I liked it
Happened to Resident Evil. I liked it
Happened to DMC. I love it

If I want to revisit my childhood I go back and play those games. Thats why I still own them.
I buy new games for new experiences. Once a series is done (3 games imo) it should be changed and redone. if the new Mass Effect is anything like the other 3 I won't play it. I'm not buying the new Gears of War because it's to much like the other 3. Any developer who is scared to change their products will not get any money for me.

 

[Burst6]

To your points:
1: I stand by what I said. As human being we are lazy, irritable, habitual creatures who are scared of change.

2: See that doesn't make any sense to me. Ninja Theory didn't do well with Enslaved... as a developer they wouldn't of been given many options to continue production on a brand new IP. I think Capcom came to them to create a new DMC game and thats what they did. Capcom wouldn't of let Ninja Theory do what they did if it wasn't what they wanted. Capcom has shown it does what it wants with its series (RE6, Lost Planet etc).

3: I'm not looking for legitimate discussion about anything. People on this board tend to complain and complain about something they should NOT have control over. I don't think gamers have the right to tell developers how to make games (Mass effect 3, Resident Evil 6). If you don't like it don't buy it. Don't buy it and complain about something, your not special. Just because we have the internet doesn't give you some magic ability to control how games are developed.

1) Yes, we are. That doesn't really change anything about what i said though. You said people ask for change and then complain when it comes and used this as an example. I said this is not what those people want. The people actually complaining that COD is stale (who are probably in the minority) are the ones who would go out to buy a fresh new IP.

2) I'm just saying. It's not all that uncommon for Publishers to use that strategy.

3) Yes gamers should have the right to tell developers how to make games. That's called criticism, and it's important if you want good games. Purely voting with your wallet is a horrible idea because it doesn't tell the developers anything. How are they supposed to know what problems their games have if no one tells them. How are they even supposed to know that the game didn't sell well because the game was bad. Maybe the advertising team didn't work well. What are the publishers supposed to think if they have no info. Of course they don't have to listen, but a lot of them do and it works. Just because you don't like to have your favorite games insulted doesn't mean people should stop pointing out problems they have.

Happened to Resident Evil. I liked it

People complained about RE because it took a genre that was already very rare genre (survival horror) and turned it into a generic Michael bay style action game. Yes that's change, but then again turning legend of zelda into a modern warfare clone would be change too. It doesn't mean it's good.

 

[Hazy]

I'm really glad I'm not a fan of Devil May Cry... Cause I really wouldn't want to be associated in any way with the people out there bitching about this new game and all its supposed sins... The behavior of some of the "fans" really has been far FAR worse than anything I've seen from Ninja Theory.


Seriously people, amend your attitude.

That's a clever little trick you just did there, demonizing the opposition and their valid complaints by saying they're "bitching." People do the same thing by calling others "haters."

If I order a steak and the chef takes a big, floppy shit on my plate instead, and I complain about it, am I "bitching" too? Because that's what Ninja Theory did with this reboot.

 

[King Billi]

That's a clever little trick you just did there, demonizing the opposition and their valid complaints by saying they're "bitching." People do the same thing by calling others "haters."

If I order a steak and the chef takes a big, floppy shit on my plate instead, and I complain about it, am I "bitching" too? Because that's what Ninja Theory did with this reboot.

And this is seriosuly the best example of a "valid complaint" you can offer? Calling the game a "big, floppy shit"?

Disregarding for the moment the overall positive reception this game has recieved from critics thus far I will only state right now that any sympathy I ever had for the fans of Devil May Cry before this game was released were destroyed soley from reading these kinds responses...any valid points they may have had are overshadowed by childish whining and insults.

 

[shadow skill]

That's a clever little trick you just did there, demonizing the opposition and their valid complaints by saying they're "bitching." People do the same thing by calling others "haters."

If I order a steak and the chef takes a big, floppy shit on my plate instead, and I complain about it, am I "bitching" too? Because that's what Ninja Theory did with this reboot.

And this is seriosuly the best example of a "valid complaint" you can offer? Calling the game a "big, floppy shit"?

Disregarding for the moment the overall positive reception this game has recieved from critics thus far I will only state right now that any sympathy I ever had for the fans of Devil May Cry before this game was released were destroyed soley from reading these kinds responses...any valid points they may have had are overshadowed by childish whining and insults.

Valid complaints were destroyed by comments you don't like? So what you are really saying here is that you chose to be willfully ignorant and then have the gall to tell other people to amend their attitude when you can't even pay attention to what people are saying in the first place.

 

[King Billi]

Valid complaints were destroyed by comments you don't like? So what you are really saying here is that you chose to be willfully ignorant and then have the gall to tell other people to amend their attitude when you can't even pay attention to what people are saying in the first place.

Allow me to rephrase... I haven't heard anything approaching a "valid" or "reasonable" complaint aimed at this game from alot of this series supposed fans and what I meant to say was that IF they have any valid arguments then I don't know what they are because all I'm hearing is things along the same line as the aforemnetioned "big, floppy shit"

It may very well not be a "True" Devil May Cry game but having seen what Ninja Theory have made here and played it for myself I don't see that it deserves any criticism at all just on the basis of being too different.

 

[GrimHeaper]

Valid complaints were destroyed by comments you don't like? So what you are really saying here is that you chose to be willfully ignorant and then have the gall to tell other people to amend their attitude when you can't even pay attention to what people are saying in the first place.

Allow me to rephrase... I haven't heard anything approaching a "valid" or "reasonable" complaint aimed at this game from alot of this series supposed fans and what I meant to say was that IF they have any valid arguments then I don't know what they are because all I'm hearing is things along the same line as the aforemnetioned "big, floppy shit"

It may very well not be a "True" Devil May Cry game but having seen what Ninja Theory have made here and played it for myself I don't see that it deserves any criticism at all just on the basis of being too different.

Do you want me to post it?
No I won't bother. You wouldn't read it.
It goes beyond 20,000 words that are all perfectly valid.

From playing the demo, I think its okay. It seems kinda easy and has a questionable choice of enemies(YOU CAN ONLY HURT THIS ONE WITH ANGEL POWERS! AND THIS ONE ONLY WITH DEMON POWERS) but its not bad. Just a shame that the gameplay is so slow compared to the other DMCs. The grittiness is nice and the Limbo parts look amazing. The look of this game is perfect, I'll give NT that. It's no DMC 3 or 4 though.

Also, the game's misuse of "Nephilim" is kind of annoying. Nephilim were born of "The sons of God" and "The daughters of man", not between demons and angels. As far as I know there is no name for a child born of angel and demon parents.

I'll probably buy this game after it comes out on the PC and the price drops a little bit. And after I 100% Revengeance.

Don't forget that "succubus"

I'm really glad I'm not a fan of Devil May Cry... Cause I really wouldn't want to be associated in any way with the people out there bitching about this new game and all its supposed sins... The behavior of some of the "fans" really has been far FAR worse than anything I've seen from Ninja Theory.


Seriously people, amend your attitude.

100% agree, no wonder Capcom has a reputation of f**king with their fanbase, I would as well if I had a fanbase full of ungrateful, immature pricks, just read some of the comments of the DmC review on Destructoid

http://www.destructoid.com/review-dmc-devil-may-cry-242002.phtml

OP: I actually like the game after playing the demo and I'm impressed that Ninja Theory pulled it off, granted I didn't like it at first, but you know what I did next , I got over it and gave it the benefit of the doubt (what some fans should have done). I get why some fans didn't like it, but come on, can they at least admit DmC isn't the worst Devil May Cry, I'm looking at you DMC2

PS: on the subject of DMC2, I noticed some fans calling the new Dante an emo, making me question if they even know the meaning of the word, yeah newsflash, Dante from DMC2, yeah that is an emo

Because this is a video game that deserves a 8-10/10
DMC2 isn't an argument becuase 1 it's terrible 2 it's very low budget 3 the series was still finding it's own identity
4 two games actually came after it. You support of abuse isn't helping things.
It's a 6/10 game. These are the same people that rate games of spunkgargleweewee 10/10
Mediocrity shouldn't be rewarded by being treated like it isn't mediocre

 

[shadow skill]

This DMC is as bad as DMC 2 it was made by a man who wanted to shove his face into the game. Tried to make himself the hero and effectively repeated all of the mistakes of DMC2 with regard to Dante's personality. They didn't improve on two, they just have better production values than two did. Partially because of advances in the technology available. It actually is as bad as two, the only reason it doesn't feel like it is because we are coming off of DMC 4 and not DMC 1. it was the greatness of the first game which magnified the failure that was and is DMC2.

 

[Gagballs The Great]

Call me fanboy but I just can't force myself to play new DmC. It's just not Devil May Cry. It's not. I loved previous games. Loved the characters ( yup, even Nero). I loved the level design, I loved pretty much everything (even liiiiight). But this... I'm not saying that it' s a bad game. On the contrary. I think it's rather good, despite it's flaws. It's just not THE DMC it's just DmC. I looked at the demo and...just like that, the magic was gone.