Do Americans have a right to carry?

[Laser Priest]

Different states have different gun laws.

If it's illegal to carry a non-concealed weapon, then perhaps carrying a non-concealed weapon was a fucking stupid idea.

 

[RootBrewski]

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Yes, after he told the kid with a gun to get on the ground, and the kid refused, he should have just put his gun away, and asked the kid to reach into his pockets.

Brilliant.

Whilst I completely agree with you that Directive 137 says the officer in question has the right to temporarily detain an individual to preform an investigation, said officer in question (from the recording) does not make it clear what he is doing, tells Mr. Forinio that he is breaking the law and arresting him. That would put the officer in the wrong in this case.

 

[GraveeKing]

Being fair to both party's and -trying- to be as neutral as possible:

I can see why an openly holstered gun COULD be threatening, and I dunno how old the kid was but if he was being called junior maybe he looked a bit too young to carry a gun - especially so openly. Perhaps it was the right thing to do to at least get his license checked, but then again...

But in the same right - I don't know anything about the law of America but I'm pretty sure if you got a license you're allowed to have a gun... they should have just made sure he checked the thing and gone... I mean for gods sake - what's the point in a licensee if you're going to leave it hidden - you're not going to scare off potential muggers or attackers by keeping it hidden and never getting to it in time.

And I'm pretty sure i heard someone mention him 'defying the officer' - I'm sorry but since when is going within all boundary's of the law defying an officer? I'm sorry I didn't realize America had turned into a police state - although why am I not surprised? The law is law, not the word of the person in power. I thought it was meant to be a country of 'freedom' anyway.


In my opinion, this is why keeping guns away from people - like we do in Britain - just saves so much time, nobody gets threatened or accidentally shot and 1% of the DO NOT population end up in prison.

 

[Stryc9]

I get a funny feeling this guy was out trolling for trouble, either that or every time he goes out walking with his gun out in the open he records from the time he leaves his house until he gets back. The recording starts BEFORE the cop calls out to him and that bothers me.

Did the cop overreact? Yes.

Was the guy with the gun being a dick? Sort of. He could have cooperated with the cop while getting his point across.

 

[Tsunimo]

This reminds me of a video I watched earlier today.

Spoiler

This guys hate week video's make me happy and sad at the same time.

 

[derdeutschmachine]

Philadelphia is a class one city, you are not permitted (even with a license to carry in PA) It along with Pittsburg are the only two cities in PA you are not permitted to OPEN carry. In PA there is a strict difference between open and conceal carry. you can conceal carry withing philadelphia, however you may not open carry (the gun is clearly visible to anyone.) Sorry but the cop was in the right. People who own and carry guns must know the laws, I've been a legal carrier in PA for three years now, I know the laws, anyone who want's to do this should look up the uniform firearms code of their respective state. It's in your and everyone else's best interest if you do.

and no, state side there is not an overarching right to carry.

 

[Tucker154]

Same exact thing happened to my brother. The really only difference is that my brother told the cop that he was carrying after we got in a head on collision. It would have been understand able if he politely asked my brother to hand him the gun, for the safety of the other person. I swear, anyone can become a cop now. They dont even need to know the law now.

 

[ServebotFrank]

While I think that he should've gotten on his knees and the whole thing would've been over with like that, the cops were unprofessional in the way they handled the situation. Pointing a gun at him is not a great idea if your a cop and you see someone openly carrying which shouldn't raise alarms in a cop's mind. "Openly carrying, this guy must have a license shouldn't hurt to check though." The fact he pointed a gun at him was stupid idea. Do you think the person you're stoping is going to be compliant with a gun pointed at his face? No! If anything that would scare the fuck out of him and make the situation worse. He should've just told Florino that he was going to check him at the station and that he would give a ride back if it inconvenienced him.

Oh and charge him with disorderly conduct my ass. If anything the cop should be punished for threatening him with lethal force when it was not needed.

 

[Canid117]

This guy has a gun, he isn't listening to the officer, taser the fuck head.

Regardless if he has a right to carry the weapon, he is blatantly defying a police officer.

-'A. SINCE A SEPARATE LICENSE IS REQUIRED IN PHILADELPHIA
AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY OFFICER TO KNOW WHO DOES
AND DOES NOT HAVE A VALID CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE, IT
IS ENTIRELY REASONALBE FOR OFFICERS TO TEMPORARILY
DETAIN AND INVESTIGATE ANY INDIVIDUAL CARRYING A
FIREARM EXPOSED TO DETERMINE IF THE PERSON IS
OPERATING WITH THE LAW.

B. IMMEDIATLEY SEIZE ANY FIREARMS FOR OFFICER SAFETY
DURING THE STOP AND UNLOAD THE FIREARMS IF POSSIBLE,
BUT ONLY IF IT CAN BE DONE SAFELY.-'

Yeah, this dumb dumb will more than likely have his license revoked.

More like he can sue the police department for their actions and their demeanor. And win.

 

[Canid117]

This guy has a gun, he isn't listening to the officer, taser the fuck head.

Regardless if he has a right to carry the weapon, he is blatantly defying a police officer.

-'A. SINCE A SEPARATE LICENSE IS REQUIRED IN PHILADELPHIA
AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY OFFICER TO KNOW WHO DOES
AND DOES NOT HAVE A VALID CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE, IT
IS ENTIRELY REASONALBE FOR OFFICERS TO TEMPORARILY
DETAIN AND INVESTIGATE ANY INDIVIDUAL CARRYING A
FIREARM EXPOSED TO DETERMINE IF THE PERSON IS
OPERATING WITH THE LAW.

B. IMMEDIATLEY SEIZE ANY FIREARMS FOR OFFICER SAFETY
DURING THE STOP AND UNLOAD THE FIREARMS IF POSSIBLE,
BUT ONLY IF IT CAN BE DONE SAFELY.-'

Yeah, this dumb dumb will more than likely have his license revoked.

More like he can sue the police department for their actions and their demeanor. And win.

You can sue people for their demeanor in Philly? Wow.

As for his 'actions', a lawyer might attempt that, but I would bet you a dollar it's thrown out.

They illegally arrested a man while forcing him to the ground while he was not a threat. They pointed their weapons at him and as he was trying to tell them that he had a license for his weapon their response was "Shut the fuck up." Such lack of professionalism alone would not win the case but this case would easily go to a jury and the jury will not like how this cop spoke to a seemingly reasonable individual who was just trying to buy auto parts and was not breaking the law. A 25 year old IT employee who has had several friends mugged is a lot more lawyer friendly than a guy who pulls his weapon on the first person he sees with a publicly displayed firearm.

 

[ZeroMachine]

This guy has a gun, he isn't listening to the officer, taser the fuck head.

Regardless if he has a right to carry the weapon, he is blatantly defying a police officer.

-'A. SINCE A SEPARATE LICENSE IS REQUIRED IN PHILADELPHIA
AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY OFFICER TO KNOW WHO DOES
AND DOES NOT HAVE A VALID CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE, IT
IS ENTIRELY REASONALBE FOR OFFICERS TO TEMPORARILY
DETAIN AND INVESTIGATE ANY INDIVIDUAL CARRYING A
FIREARM EXPOSED TO DETERMINE IF THE PERSON IS
OPERATING WITH THE LAW.

B. IMMEDIATLEY SEIZE ANY FIREARMS FOR OFFICER SAFETY
DURING THE STOP AND UNLOAD THE FIREARMS IF POSSIBLE,
BUT ONLY IF IT CAN BE DONE SAFELY.-'

Yeah, this dumb dumb will more than likely have his license revoked.

The thread should have ended here... what could have happened to cause it go go on for six...

... Oh. One of those conversations.

Rather pointless, unfortunately. Seems a lot of people here never once think about the cop's side of the story.

He may have been a bit harsh, but the guy was an idiot for not following the cop's instructions. What would have been so wrong with just listening to him and proving the cop wrong afterwards? Was he rushing somewhere?

 

[ZeroMachine]

This guy has a gun, he isn't listening to the officer, taser the fuck head.

Regardless if he has a right to carry the weapon, he is blatantly defying a police officer.

-'A. SINCE A SEPARATE LICENSE IS REQUIRED IN PHILADELPHIA
AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY OFFICER TO KNOW WHO DOES
AND DOES NOT HAVE A VALID CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE, IT
IS ENTIRELY REASONALBE FOR OFFICERS TO TEMPORARILY
DETAIN AND INVESTIGATE ANY INDIVIDUAL CARRYING A
FIREARM EXPOSED TO DETERMINE IF THE PERSON IS
OPERATING WITH THE LAW.

B. IMMEDIATLEY SEIZE ANY FIREARMS FOR OFFICER SAFETY
DURING THE STOP AND UNLOAD THE FIREARMS IF POSSIBLE,
BUT ONLY IF IT CAN BE DONE SAFELY.-'

Yeah, this dumb dumb will more than likely have his license revoked.

The thread should have ended here... what could have happened to cause it go go on for six...

... Oh. One of those conversations.

Rather pointless, unfortunately. Seems a lot of people here never once think about the cop's side of the story.

He may have been a bit harsh, but the guy was an idiot for not following the cop's instructions. What would have been so wrong with just listening to him and proving the cop wrong afterwards? Was he rushing somewhere?

Yeah, sorry, a lot of those posts were mine ; )

If he just would have listened to the police, this wouldn't be an issue.

Oh, I looked through all of it, I know it was you a lot.

The cop ended up being way too harsh by the end- there is no denying that whatsoever.

But if the guy had just listened to the cop, the ENTIRE FUCKING SITUATION would have been avoided.

Gah, I better just walk away from this thread before I get pissed. Good luck, Sober.

 

[ServebotFrank]

I'm taking the time now to watch the rest of the 40 minute video and my opinion is not changing. After backup arrives the sgt. started lying to backup about what happened. He said that, "Florino responded by going, 'Junior? Who's junior?' which degrades his word. The cop lied to get his way and that's illegal.

 

[Canid117]

This guy has a gun, he isn't listening to the officer, taser the fuck head.

Regardless if he has a right to carry the weapon, he is blatantly defying a police officer.

-'A. SINCE A SEPARATE LICENSE IS REQUIRED IN PHILADELPHIA
AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY OFFICER TO KNOW WHO DOES
AND DOES NOT HAVE A VALID CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE, IT
IS ENTIRELY REASONALBE FOR OFFICERS TO TEMPORARILY
DETAIN AND INVESTIGATE ANY INDIVIDUAL CARRYING A
FIREARM EXPOSED TO DETERMINE IF THE PERSON IS
OPERATING WITH THE LAW.

B. IMMEDIATLEY SEIZE ANY FIREARMS FOR OFFICER SAFETY
DURING THE STOP AND UNLOAD THE FIREARMS IF POSSIBLE,
BUT ONLY IF IT CAN BE DONE SAFELY.-'

Yeah, this dumb dumb will more than likely have his license revoked.

More like he can sue the police department for their actions and their demeanor. And win.

You can sue people for their demeanor in Philly? Wow.

As for his 'actions', a lawyer might attempt that, but I would bet you a dollar it's thrown out.

They illegally arrested a man while forcing him to the ground while he was not a threat. They pointed their weapons at him and as he was trying to tell them that he had a license for his weapon their response was "Shut the fuck up." Such lack of professionalism alone would not win the case but this case would easily go to a jury and the jury will not like how this cop spoke to a seemingly reasonable individual who was just trying to buy auto parts and was not breaking the law. A 25 year old IT employee who has had several friends mugged is a lot more lawyer friendly than a guy who pulls his weapon on the first person he sees with a publicly displayed firearm.

Alright... a dollar bet it is!

Once people hear he didn't listen to the officer, it should end rather quickly. But who knows, I doubt this story will go anywhere, and even if so, someone would need to report it.

If you really think that is resisting arrest then you sir have never had anything near a misunderstanding. He was offering to present his license and was trying to be as helpful as possible to the police officer. The officer was having none of it and quickly became aggravated for no apparent reason. Any lawyer worth their fee could crush the police department in this case. The Philly police department better hope this guy doesn't decide to sue.