Do bronies challenge traditional masculine values?
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There are some people who are sexually attracted to numbers. A very large group apparently because it's one of the first things that pop up when you type "Is it normal" In google. So I don't think people being sexually attracted to horse are the worst part of the internet. Also there are furries get over it internetmad825 said:OP, you're right! Our perception of masculine and feminine ideals changes every few decades. I myself consider MLP the best thing that a man can enjoy.
When there are ton of pictures and a few videos of male fans cumming on MLP toys/doll and pictures...There's even a flash game where you can fuck raindow dash...I don't think so
Indeed, welding, mowing your lawn in your boxers and rustling cattle; that's manly stuff. I'd go as far to say that sitting on your ass and spending your free time playing vidya games isn't too manly either.A.A.K said:
Also, there's a trope for that, as always. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RealMenWearPink]
Patrick Stewart loves him his pink shirts, and all.
Re-reading what I wrote, I guess I left out an important detail, lol. It's marketing suicide if you're writing a book geared toward either gender because males have a tendency to not read books by female authors. Even if it's something they might find interesting, statistically they are simply less likely to pick up a book by a female author. Because Harry Potter is written for both genders, it was better for her to use J.K. Rowling instead of Joanne Rowling because J.K. Rowling isn't immediately recognizable as a female name.rbstewart7263 said:
Twilight didn't have this problem and the author was free to use the obviously female "Stephanie Meyer" for the title because Twilight wasn't looking for that male audience in the first place.
Considering myself, and considering most of my friends as masculine people... we've all got something of our own as a 'gentle' thing.Vegosiux said:
Every one of us is either a fighter, or an ex-fighter... Most of my friends can also work proficiently as a carpenter, mechanic or machinist. I can do plumbing and landscaping.
We all have a gentler side. I paint and contemplate, Kekkles loves his Nan and is a bit of a (grand)mumma's boy, Matt dances as is a bit of a poet. Pete has a child who he loves dearly.
"Violence is only part of a war. War is only part of a warrior. A warrior is only part of a man; and if you can't see that, you can't accept that, then you're not either."
However, I don't care how good of a bare knuckle boxer Kekkles is, if he started watching My Little Pony - I'd slap him... and I'd give him flak for it for the rest of his days...as would the rest of my mates.
I don't think the "definition" of masculinity can possibly be changed, as it's a very personal concept.
I consider myself masculine in that I have the right chromosomes and the right body configuration. I grow facial hair, my hair is thinning out on top of my head, and I tend to gain and lose weight around the abdomen. Like most guys. Ergo, I'm a guy.
Beyond that, who gives a shit? I used to watch "Sky Dancers" as a kid because its male-centric equivalent was boring as fuck. I watch MLP for the references and occasionally for this or that clever plot twist I've heard about. I don't hide my interest, but neither do I plaster it on every wall I cross.
If you want to go into "traditional" points of view, then what? Do I need to be as buff as Mayor Mike Haggar to pass muster? Do I need Chuck Norris' purported godly abilities to pass? Should I fire up "Predator" and use a freeze-frame of 80's Jesse Ventura to get some sort of frame of reference? Or maybe this "masculinity" thing is referring to how my grandfather handled things, in his prime, huh? Maybe I'm supposed to be sullen and absent and generally numb to the concerns my loved ones might verbalize because "Big Boys Don't Cry"...
In short, the very concept of masculinity feels silly - just as femininity does. The girliest of all girls I've ever met still was able to stereotypically "man up" to have fun with my dude-friends. An important fact to consider is how until late in the nineteenth century, it was actually considered manly for men to wear pink. The whole robin's-egg-blue = boys thing wouldn't surface until much later.
Go back a few centuries earlier, and you run into the haberdashery customs of the Enlightenment. What was the manliest shit, back then? A powdered wig, buckled shoes, high stockings, tons of rice powder for base makeup, some lipstick and a bit of black felt on the cheek, to simulate an artfully placed beauty mark.
As to why? People didn't really wash, back then. You caked yourself in makeup to hide the layers of filth you lived in, regardless of your status as a member of the aristocracy.
So, yeah. Anyone who tells me that this or that or so-and-so is "gay" or "effeminate" usually smacks of sheer idiocy or hypocrisy. The Idea Channel raises good points, but manhood is a concept that ultimately exists in the eye of the beholder.
I consider myself masculine in that I have the right chromosomes and the right body configuration. I grow facial hair, my hair is thinning out on top of my head, and I tend to gain and lose weight around the abdomen. Like most guys. Ergo, I'm a guy.
Beyond that, who gives a shit? I used to watch "Sky Dancers" as a kid because its male-centric equivalent was boring as fuck. I watch MLP for the references and occasionally for this or that clever plot twist I've heard about. I don't hide my interest, but neither do I plaster it on every wall I cross.
If you want to go into "traditional" points of view, then what? Do I need to be as buff as Mayor Mike Haggar to pass muster? Do I need Chuck Norris' purported godly abilities to pass? Should I fire up "Predator" and use a freeze-frame of 80's Jesse Ventura to get some sort of frame of reference? Or maybe this "masculinity" thing is referring to how my grandfather handled things, in his prime, huh? Maybe I'm supposed to be sullen and absent and generally numb to the concerns my loved ones might verbalize because "Big Boys Don't Cry"...
In short, the very concept of masculinity feels silly - just as femininity does. The girliest of all girls I've ever met still was able to stereotypically "man up" to have fun with my dude-friends. An important fact to consider is how until late in the nineteenth century, it was actually considered manly for men to wear pink. The whole robin's-egg-blue = boys thing wouldn't surface until much later.
Go back a few centuries earlier, and you run into the haberdashery customs of the Enlightenment. What was the manliest shit, back then? A powdered wig, buckled shoes, high stockings, tons of rice powder for base makeup, some lipstick and a bit of black felt on the cheek, to simulate an artfully placed beauty mark.
As to why? People didn't really wash, back then. You caked yourself in makeup to hide the layers of filth you lived in, regardless of your status as a member of the aristocracy.
So, yeah. Anyone who tells me that this or that or so-and-so is "gay" or "effeminate" usually smacks of sheer idiocy or hypocrisy. The Idea Channel raises good points, but manhood is a concept that ultimately exists in the eye of the beholder.
Nope. They're part of the growing number of late teen/twenty-something year olds who like to blow off some steam watching shows primarily designed for kids. I myself have spent far too long recently watching Power Rangers while my flatmates have a fondness for Spongebob Squarepants and Adventure Time respectively.
My Little Pony is just another flavour of this particular ice cream.
My Little Pony is just another flavour of this particular ice cream.
You mean walking the streets in a miniskirt as male?Zhukov said:
Because if not, then, no it doesn't challenge "masculine" values, it pleases the male gaze and such. A Girl going butch might get some negative responses-but a men who behaves in a as female considered way will get problem. Because some part of society thinks that what female is, is weak and men which have to be "real" men should never be "weak" because this might question their masculinity (which is so damn fucking unhealthy. And annoying, because the connection female(emotional, non logical, talkative, submissive and friendly, caring)=weakness is just wrong. And unhealthy.
and the idea that you can guess the sexual orientation of someone solely on their behaviour annoys me, just because its unimportant? how important is it to know that(if you don´t want to date this person) And i think this moght often be used as a means to discredit the person-ah he acts girlish, so he must be gay and in this case his opinion is unimportan because its not by a real man (and doesnt know what a real man is like or such bs)
Sometimes i think our society forces males to fear being weak or being "female-ish" (why is gay a insult? because there is the wrong idea that all gay man are effeminate and such*) and pressures them into the "male" role-so if any young man, which is naturally uncertain about himself (puberty anyone?) acts not in the way he "should" then he´ll get called out and ostracised and that is something no young person want. (I think most people want to be part in a group of ppl which accepts them-and its hard to find that group if you behave in any way society deems inappropriate(for gender.Some things considered inappropriate are exactly that. But i digress) and dont have the strength to find out who you are and stick with that against all this. We want to be accepted as humans and i think most people which are in that state of uncertainty about them self try to look at role-models the media and reality gives them-but because traditional roles are enforced in society and media its hard to find people who stand out as happy with their unusual roles and gender say " I am myself and i don't need the approval of people who can´t and won´t want to know me because of how I am"
But the internet helped.
I red a text about a familiy from berlin, where the young son wears skirts, even since hes little ( i think he was well 4 or 5) and the dad did it too-out of sodidarity with his son. cool thing
*these people never met any bears, have they?