I'd say the manly line is drawn just before a roast. So basically if it is a semi-basic red meat dish, or is the result of a successful hunt (including fishing), then it can be cooked without any social stigma. Also, I think the social view comes from a lingering presence of the house-managing wife stereotype, where the female did all the household chores like cooking, cleaning, sewing, etc. Personally I don't think any more or less of a man (in terms of manliness) if they can cook. I think that a guy who can cook would be desirable for people interested in a male romantic partner, as it seems to show that the man will contribute to the relationship as a full member, rather than letting the woman do all the work while they hang out with mates and get drunk (or whatever hobby they happen to have). As in, it looks more like the is involved in the relationship by not having a clear dependency on gender roles, meaning the relationship is between to equal partners.Sleekit said:eh i've never heard anyone assign or even hint at assigning a sexuality through producing food...well outside the oddly shaped vegetable "joke".Biosophilogical said:That wasn't what I was stating. I was referring to the effects of gender roles on people's perceptions of a man cooking. Even in reference to proffesional male chefs, it is rarely (if ever) their cooking skill that expresses masculinity. They can be respected for their phenomenal skill, but I have never seen someone say, or look like they want to say, "Wow, that guy cooked me an incredibly fancy meal, how very masculine of him".Sleekit said:dude, basically all the best professional chefs in the world are men...Biosophilogical said:Because cooking well is portrayed as having its own kind of finesse, it doesn't match the overly masculine view of brute strength. Sure, you can say physically difficult tasks like carpentry could have 'finesse', but at that point you are kind of stretching the word to its masculine extremes.Seneschal said:I don't get it; what is so repulsive about being able to prepare food? Even at the most animalistic level, it's a fantastic survival skill. From a civilized viewpoint, it's practically a resume-worthy skill. Hell, put it right there with "speaks Spanish and Afrikaans". You'll be known as "the guy who brings those delicious canapés to the office". How is it manlier and more attractive to be incompetent, it makes no sense!
So yeah, certain skills are not only associated with femininity (cooking, sewing, dancing, etc), but also incorporate an anti-masculine trait (in the case of cooking, it tends to be flair or finesse). Now I'm not saying that men cooking is a bad thing, I myself love to cook (I'm male), I'm just trying to say why I think it may be considered a bad thing, though I think an important point is that it probably matters more to other men than women, seeing how competitive and insecure men can get about their gender identities.
you are saying it's feminine. i hear that. never have i heard anyone say such a thing in RL tho.
where do you draw the line i wonder ? is BBQ manly ?
what about gutting and cooking fish you just caught ?
or an animal after after hunting ? are butchers pansys ?
if your making a cake for a child is it manly if its in the shape of a transformer and the child is male or are you a closet homosexual because you cut the same basic cake into the shape of a pony and put pink icing on it for your little girl ?
sooooo many questions...
yes at this point i'm taking the micky![]()
EDIT: Then again, I've never really thought about it, so I'm really just feeling my way through the topic and hoping for the best.