Do I deserve to be spat on for saying this to a gay person?

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"get a room" comment doesnt deserve a spit in the face, gay or not !! Totally disgusting. Hope the spitter got a black eye for that >:|

Kissing guys/girls in public is creepy but you just look away. Your friend should have just moved seats but then again..why should he have to.

I dont go smooching in the cinema anymore...night vision cameras :[ Will never know who was watching me slip my hands up that skirt x) aaaaaanyway. Inception: Good film :3

 

[Boba Frag]

Hmmm.. I wouldn't have said anything to them, but if the cinema was quiet... well, I probably would have moved seats at the first opportunity.

Shame that it was probably blown all out of proportion by the local paper.

I'm amazed that one of them actually spat in your friend's face, though.

Like, they were being kind of rude to begin with... but to actually spit in someone's face??

I also can't believe someone would go to see Inception and not actually bother watching the film.
Now, these two individuals, never mind that they're gay, reacted horrendously. That is a disgusting and supremely base thing to do.
I can safely say I think that they acted like complete and utter thugs by spitting in your friend's face.

These two are probably not highly popular with gay people, either.

 

[Adventurer2626]

Nope you're friend's good mate. It's just as rude as a man and woman randomly kissing in front of you. I don't think homosexuality/implied discrimination should have any bearing on it. As for "homophobia" I always thought it was fear of humans (homo sapiens). So how about we just agree to put a steak in the word's heart, eh? Labels FTL.

 

[Cheesus333]

Anyway, here's the thing. Recently my friend and his friend went to see Inception (I think), and the cinema was fairly empty, except for these two other guys in front of them. And halfway through the film these two other guys got bored, for whatever reason, and started making out. And my friend was distracted, and grossed out, and couldn't enjoy the film properly. So, never being one to suffer in silence, he gently (according to him) said something alone the lines of "here lads, would you give it a rest? We're trying to watch a movie". And then, one of the guys turned and spat directly into my friend's face.

I think you should have spat on them. Not for what you're thinking, but who gets bored during Inception?!

In all seriousness though, it's just like every other would-be minority is 'victimised for their race/gender/sexuality' etc. in the eyes of the media regardless of actual circumstance. You can bet if a black guy were to hit someone, then found himself mobbed and beaten, the papers would bill it as a hate crime.

P.S: I'M NOT SUGGESTING ATTACKING BLACK PEOPLE. OR ANYONE. PLEASE DON'T THINK I AM.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

The main issue here is that apathy is confused with homophobia. Lemme get this nice and clear for everyone. I dont care if someones gay or straight. I dont go through my friends and demand there sexuality and then celebrate accordingly, i just couldnt care less. Now its when these people (OR ANY PEOPLE) go around screaming "LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME IM GAY/EMO/GOTH/AMAZING" that it annoys me. Its a good thing that you discovered who you are most comfortable being but no one cares, no one else wants to hear about it, i didnt care about your sexuality before and i dont now.

The irony is these "defenders" who scream homophobe whenever an instance like this happens are in fact the homophobes. I think doing that kind of thing in public is rude and breaks social norms that EVERYONE adhears to for the sake of courtisy. I dont care if your gay or straight, i dont want to see you getting busy with your significant other. Being gay or straight SHOULD NEVER EVER MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO HOW YOU JUGDE SOMEONE. You can bet your ass is this had happened with a straight couple NONE OF YOU WOULD CARE you defenders. You know it. Is that you realising your own hypocracy? I hope it is.

Gay pride parades confuse me. We dont have straight pride parades because if we did no one would give a shit, but suddenly gay people do it and people do. WHY?!. Why is it something to be PROUD of. It isnt a good thing. It isnt a bad thing. Its just a thing. Being straight or gay and neutral things, like eye colour, it doesnt matter at all and its nothing to boast or mock about. No one cares, get on with your life.

 

[Wardnath]

The main issue here is that apathy is confused with homophobia. Lemme get this nice and clear for everyone. I dont care if someones gay or straight. I dont go through my friends and demand there sexuality and then celebrate accordingly, i just couldnt care less. Now its when these people (OR ANY PEOPLE) go around screaming "LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME IM GAY/EMO/GOTH/AMAZING" that it annoys me. Its a good thing that you discovered who you are most comfortable being but no one cares, no one else wants to hear about it, i didnt care about your sexuality before and i dont now.

The irony is these "defenders" who scream homophobe whenever an instance like this happens are in fact the homophobes. I think doing that kind of thing in public is rude and breaks social norms that EVERYONE adhears to for the sake of courtisy. I dont care if your gay or straight, i dont want to see you getting busy with your significant other. Being gay or straight SHOULD NEVER EVER MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO HOW YOU JUGDE SOMEONE. You can bet your ass is this had happened with a straight couple NONE OF YOU WOULD CARE you defenders. You know it. Is that you realising your own hypocracy? I hope it is.

Gay pride parades confuse me. We dont have straight pride parades because if we did no one would give a shit, but suddenly gay people do it and people do. WHY?!. Why is it something to be PROUD of. It isnt a good thing. It isnt a bad thing. Its just a thing. Being straight or gay and neutral things, like eye colour, it doesnt matter at all and its nothing to boast or mock about. No one cares, get on with your life.

You had me until...

Gay pride parades confuse me.

...at which point it all fell apart.

Straight whites have never been on the receiving end of discrimination throughout the ages.

Like, at all. Why we'd even need to celebrate ourselves is beyond me.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

SNIP

oh no no no no. I dont think straight whites have ever been discriminated against, im just saying being gay is as much of a big deal as being straight, and thus these things confuse me. Il use your comment why do we even need to celebrate? I think its fine if they have them, it isnt discrimination at all. Its just celebrating something that doesnt need to be celebrated or even commented on at all, just a social norm that everyone deals with without a song and dance about it.

 

[Wardnath]

Il use your comment why do we even need to celebrate?

Because they stood up for themselves and won (for the most part).

I think its fine if they have them, it isnt discrimination at all. Its just celebrating something that doesnt need to be celebrated or even commented on at all...

I think a few people here might disagree with you, unfortunately.

...just a social norm that everyone deals with without a song and dance about it.

The only real issue I find is that... well, to me, it perpetuates the stereotype that they're all flamboyant. Or something. I'm typing this at 3 in the morning, so if you have a problem with my wording, I really don't care.

 

[Regiment]

If I was in a movie, and two people were making out in such a way as to be distracting, I would say something. Your friend didn't do anything wrong.

 

[Dags90]

The only real issue I find is that... well, to me, it perpetuates the stereotype that they're all flamboyant. Or something. I'm typing this at 3 in the morning, so if you have a problem with my wording, I really don't care.

I also don't see how "making out during a movie" is against social norms. A lot of people in this thread have posted that young people making out during movies is "something people do". I also don't see how breaking social norms is a bad thing by itself. Not facing the door in an elevator would be breaking a social norm. Is it really such an "OMG We MUST prevent this!?" Perhaps we should just look at how silly some of our social norms are.

Have to ask this - if they had been a heterosexual couple would your friend have complained/interrupted?

He said on page four or five that his friend 'probably wouldn't have said something and/or ignored it if it were a heterosexual couple.' And people are still saying that this is 'another example of "social victims" labeling everything bad that happens to them as -ism!' The guys own friend admits that he's a bit prejudiced and people still find it more likely that he acted completely courteously and the couple were being "militant homosexuals". Yes, someone actually said "militant homosexuals".

 

[Wardnath]

I also don't see how "making out during a movie" is against social norms. A lot of people in this thread have posted that young people making out during movies is "something people do".

Maybe. But I wouldn't know. I've never had that happen to me.

I also don't see how breaking social norms is a bad thing by itself. Not facing the door in an elevator would be breaking a social norm. Is it really such an "OMG We MUST prevent this!?" Perhaps we should just look at how silly some of our social norms are.

Depends on the norm.

Oh, and by the way:

homersexual

heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee...

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

If he was spat on for telling two people to stop making out in front of him, then his actions are justified. The person who spat is an arrogant Fuck who should be beaten to death, regardless of sexuality. If your media changed it round to make it look like a hate crime, then I have lost all faith in humanity. How can we possibly get past homophobia if gays(excuse me if this is offensive) and the media keep 'reminding' people of now nearly non-existent discrimination in increasingly annoying ways, only to just make people hate them more?

Fuck the two people making out and the fucking media (excuse my language).

Whoa, steady on there, Hitler! Beaten to death I'm not so sure but they certainly aren't doing any favours for themselves. I think people who choose a certain life choice are often geared to be arrogant like this...they take the 'I don't care what you think' thing often way too far.

 

[Elburzito]

If he was spat on for telling two people to stop making out in front of him, then his actions are justified. The person who spat is an arrogant Fuck who should be beaten to death, regardless of sexuality. If your media changed it round to make it look like a hate crime, then I have lost all faith in humanity. How can we possibly get past homophobia if gays(excuse me if this is offensive) and the media keep 'reminding' people of now nearly non-existent discrimination in increasingly annoying ways, only to just make people hate them more?

Fuck the two people making out and the fucking media (excuse my language).

Whoa, steady on there, Hitler! Beaten to death I'm not so sure but they certainly aren't doing any favours for themselves. I think people who choose a certain life choice are often geared to be arrogant like this...they take the 'I don't care what you think' thing often way too far.

Yeah, sorry. I'm just angered that there are people like this. You make a point in what you said.
I tend to have anger issues.

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

If he was spat on for telling two people to stop making out in front of him, then his actions are justified. The person who spat is an arrogant Fuck who should be beaten to death, regardless of sexuality. If your media changed it round to make it look like a hate crime, then I have lost all faith in humanity. How can we possibly get past homophobia if gays(excuse me if this is offensive) and the media keep 'reminding' people of now nearly non-existent discrimination in increasingly annoying ways, only to just make people hate them more?

Fuck the two people making out and the fucking media (excuse my language).

Whoa, steady on there, Hitler! Beaten to death I'm not so sure but they certainly aren't doing any favours for themselves. I think people who choose a certain life choice are often geared to be arrogant like this...they take the 'I don't care what you think' thing often way too far.

Yeah, sorry. I'm just angered that there are people like this. You make a point in what you said.
I tend to have anger issues.

Heh, don't be sorry, I was just joking with you. It pisses me off as well, to no end.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

I bet he didn't really say it like that, or had a certain tone to his voice which led to the spitting. It would have been obvious that a comment like that would lead to such a reaction. Your friend could have simply moved and avoided the confrontation in the first place.

Why?

Is it because gay people never do anything wrong, but heterosexual people are ALWAYS homophobic douchebags if the EVER say ANYTHING that might be construed as "negative" towards anything that a gay person does?

Granted, we can't really know for sure exactly how biased this anecdote is, but speaking as a person that have had real encounters with total strangers who have actually tried to stab me with knives for the simple offense of having walked on the same sidewalk as they did, I have no problem what so ever to imagine that a person in a movietheatre might suddenly spit a complete stranger in the face simply for asking said person to keep his/her makeout session somewhere other than the movietheatre in question.

To be frank, I find your post to be rather presumptuous in a rather unecessary manner. Of course no one can really verify what happened, but autmatically speculating that the OP or his "friend" was probably doing the wrong thing in the first place is nothing short of bigotry...

 

[X10J]

yes, for me, being spat on = being punched in the face. I'm probobly throwing fists after that.

regardless of sexual orientation. Equality.

The End.

Exactly.

 

[soilent]

I wrote the title in first person so it'd be more immediate and attention-grabbing, but this actually happened to a friend of mine (yeah right, I'm sure you're thinking). Though it could hypothetically happen to me.

My friend and I have discussed how we feel about homosexuality, and we generally agreed that we accept it as long as it's not annoying or obnoxious, just like everything else. We don't like gays going all "look at me, I'm so gay!" just as we dislike emos going "look at me, I'm all deep and dark!" or political extremists or whatever. We're both friends with a gay guy, and we treat him the same as anyone else (I mean, we "tease" him about it, but he doesn't mind, and he slags us right back. Everyone's got something to rip on).

But one thing was that it always creeped me out to see guys kiss. I don't think I'm really alone on this. It's like the equivalent of watching someone pick their nose. It's just... eew. It's not something I have any control over, it just disturbs me on a fundamental level. People have been throwing slogans around like "homosexuality isn't a choice, but homophobia is", and I'd have to say that if being a bit disgusted by men kissing is homophobic, then it really isn't a choice. If I had a choice, I wouldn't choose to be disgusted by anything. (On a side note, I always hated the word "homophobe". 'Homos' means 'one and the same', so 'homophobia' would technically mean 'a pathological fear of things staying the same')

Anyway, here's the thing. Recently my friend and his friend went to see Inception (I think), and the cinema was fairly empty, except for these two other guys in front of them. And halfway through the film these two other guys got bored, for whatever reason, and started making out. And my friend was distracted, and grossed out, and couldn't enjoy the film properly. So, never being one to suffer in silence, he gently (according to him) said something alone the lines of "here lads, would you give it a rest? We're trying to watch a movie". And then, one of the guys turned and spat directly into my friend's face.

This apparently resulted in a big brawl (as all things in Ireland inevitably do), and everyone was ejected from the cinema. The local newspaper even caught wind of it, spinning the whole thing to sound like some sort of hate crime riot.


So, what do you think? Was my friend being intolerant, and deserved what he got? Were the homosexual couple being rude, and should've stopped when asked? Did they overreact? Do you think gays in general seem to be more intolerant of people expressing their feelings about homosexuality than heterosexuals are? Or do you think the homosexual community should take a zero tolerance policy to any form of discrimination?

I'm not really sure what to believe.

you're obviously lying, No showing of Inception will ever have only 4 people in the room.

Maybe the guy just had an over-active saliva gland, and really needed to spit.

OT: Discrimination should never be tolerated, under any circumstance.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

You miss the point entirely mate. I'm gay and will happily dance (and I mean properly dance) with girls that I know. In a 'gay club' you are in an environment where nearly any sexual preference goes and where everyone is accepted. (That's why the LGBT flag is a rainbow).
The guy that pinched your @$$ might have thought you were Bi or may have just been playing. You should have either explained that you weren't gay, moved away or told him to f**k off (depending on drunkenness level).

Some of us are forced to go to gay clubs to escape from people like you. Gay people spend most of their early life (or more) carefully considering their actions in each environment/context they are in. You should have done the same in that club because you were in a place where certain behaviour is expected and where certain people go. Like you said, it ruined the evening for your girlfriend and that really sound gay guy she knows...

Last time I checked, grabbing complete strangers on their ass is rarely okay with the law, regardless of what country you are in. Just beacuse some people in gay clubs don't decide to report such offenses, it doesn't mean that it's the right thing to do.

Then again, it is rarely legal to punch someone if they grab you on the ass in most countries either. However, most people can add two and two together and understand that if one illegal offense is made, it will (most of the time) attract another illegal offense as a reciprocation.

For instance, if I see you trying to rape a woman, I damn sure won't stop at simply "removing" you from her. I'd slit your throat and gladly go to prison for use of excessive force.

My point here is that if you don't want to be put through violence or other illegal offenses, then don't do these yourself. It doesn't matter if you're in a gay club or not, you don't just grope total strangers out of the blue...