Do people have souls???
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An outdated relic from days gone by, when religion had a monopoly on the answers and held the ignorant populace in a vice tight grip. Though i suppose it still has some novelty uses in popular culture.
Spooky concepts like souls have no place in a modern society and should be relegated to fiction where it belongs.
Spooky concepts like souls have no place in a modern society and should be relegated to fiction where it belongs.
It's not an argument for our existence outside of our bodies and minds, just that our minds are not driven by physical events. It's a really flawed argument that can't answer important problems like how the supernatural aspects interact and affect the natural aspects/why physical altercation of the brain affects nonphysical mental states, and how non physical minds became associated with physical genetic lineages and at which point that occurred (or occurs). Do we get souls during conception? Birth?Racecar1994 said:
Personally, I'm a non-dualist.
I dont know, it might sound odd but I have thought of this when combined with the idea of cloning. I sometimes wonder if we can achieve immortality through cloning or transfering our memories into a computer. However I then think well, I can clone myself but I would still be me and that other guy would be someone else who is the exact same as me but not actually ME. So then, am I still me? Can we truly achieve immortality, sure if you count a perfect copy of me as being immortal, but when the real me truly died, its not like my conscience would somehow transfer to my clone. Same issue with transferring myself into a computer.DutchAssassin8 said:So i have to do this essay on souls for my philosofy class, and i just wanted to hear some differtent views on the case.
I dont think we have souls and that were just animals, biological robots, doing what our brains tells us to do with the help of pheromones, hormones etc. I base this on 3 things:
1 There is no scientific proof suggesting we have souls
2 Almost everything we feel can be explained by chemicals in our head (and other parts). Even things such as love and affection.
3 I'm an atheist therefore i believe the excistance of souls would also open up a possibility for the excistance of deities.
What do you think + arguments for your opinion.
Have Fun!
(remember, this is a philosofical argument. No hating on other people for their believes etc)
Excuse me for my crappy English.
My only solution has so far been integrating myself with technology until ive reached the point where the line is so blurred between myself and my technological augmentations that just switching the rest of my personality over to a hard drive or what have you would leave my current body an empty unusable shell.
Lol so having said ALL that, and coming up with the only solution I can actually see as one way I would be comfortable with immortality (without extending my natural life through medicine, which doesnt mean you are immortal seeing as how you can die at any time through physical trauma) I can say I am fairly certain we do not have souls.
Fairly certain.
If your class is familiar with the internet, you could score extra points by adding in your conclusion that gingers certainly dont have souls.
First of all as many have stated before it really depends on your definition of a "Soul"
I don't know about you, but if your happy living life believing that you are nothing but mass of fleshy wires and organic computer-like components resembling something of an almost human nature then fine, I hope you enjoy you goth poetry session or whatever it is you "trendy" social outcast types do.
As for me I do have a soul I can feel it, I know it exists and nothing can be said to convince me otherwise.
To me your logic is flawed and pointless.
Even if the soul is just an idea. its a good idea, It keeps people human and prevents a cold machine like existence. It makes men in to brothers and allow for
sympathy to the downtrodden. It prevents me form reaching over the counter and stabbing that fucking clerk at the gas station that makes comments and gives me shit every time I buy smokes.
I don't know about you, but if your happy living life believing that you are nothing but mass of fleshy wires and organic computer-like components resembling something of an almost human nature then fine, I hope you enjoy you goth poetry session or whatever it is you "trendy" social outcast types do.
As for me I do have a soul I can feel it, I know it exists and nothing can be said to convince me otherwise.
To me your logic is flawed and pointless.
Even if the soul is just an idea. its a good idea, It keeps people human and prevents a cold machine like existence. It makes men in to brothers and allow for
sympathy to the downtrodden. It prevents me form reaching over the counter and stabbing that fucking clerk at the gas station that makes comments and gives me shit every time I buy smokes.
There is "Scientific Proof" and then there are "theories," science has theories for darn near everything, but, it doesn't mean it has the answersDutchAssassin8 said:
The Placebo Effect, Go! But, seriously, not "Everything" can just be explained away with "chemicals in the brain"DutchAssassin8 said:2 Almost everything we feel can be explained by chemicals in our head (and other parts
You know, there's this show I enjoy watching, Ghost Hunters I think it is, and wow, let me tell ya, some freaky stuff happens sometimes, not to mention I've also experienced some weird crap in my days as well, could there be deities/Gods, maybe, but, it would be "unscientific" to believe otherwise, science is after all "the study of [insert funny sounding name thingy here]."DutchAssassin8 said:
To say that one thing can't be true you might as well be the "established science" of the dark ages, you can argue for or against but science requires that you have an open mind.
Yea!DutchAssassin8 said:What do you think + arguments for your opinion.
Have Fun!
I don't know if people have "souls"DutchAssassin8 said:So i have to do this essay on souls for my philosofy class, and i just wanted to hear some differtent views on the case.
I dont think we have souls and that were just animals, biological robots, doing what our brains tells us to do with the help of pheromones, hormones etc. I base this on 3 things:
1 There is no scientific proof suggesting we have souls
2 Almost everything we feel can be explained by chemicals in our head (and other parts
3 I'm an atheist therefore i believe the excistance of souls would also open up a possibility for the excistance of deities.
What do you think + arguments for your opinion.
Have Fun!
(remember, this is a philosofical argument. No hating on other people for their believes etc)
Excuse me for my crappy English.
but I sure don't! ;P
Pretty much the same answer, our minds are a product of neurological responses to external stimuli. Our experiences determine who we are and what we become. The answer to 'why?' doesn't have to instantly go to the mythical, I'll admit that I don't have all the answers but jumping to metaphysical conclusions like a 'soul' without evidence just shows a element of delusion. Bear in mind, if I get some evidence of some otherworldy reason to why we're here, I'll repent, but right now I follow the physical and the logical.RocksW said:
No I don?t believe in a soul.
I?m not even sure what people think a soul is, as far as I?m aware their isn?t a solid definition. Any characteristics people try to contribute the soul have shown to be function of the brain and are affected as the brain is affected. For instance people, having suffered brain damage, have come out the other side totally different; including things like personality and even how they think and process information.
So when people say the soul move on to something else after death I do kind of wonder what that means. It certainly isn?t our memory or anything that might be recognisable as us.
I?m not even sure what people think a soul is, as far as I?m aware their isn?t a solid definition. Any characteristics people try to contribute the soul have shown to be function of the brain and are affected as the brain is affected. For instance people, having suffered brain damage, have come out the other side totally different; including things like personality and even how they think and process information.
So when people say the soul move on to something else after death I do kind of wonder what that means. It certainly isn?t our memory or anything that might be recognisable as us.
I dont really know exactly how define soul but the way i see it if you have the abiity the reason to think consiously to know that you exist then yes you have something although if you have some mental ilness then it must be defined differently but i believe everything on and in this world has a soul because you have to believe something i just dont want to think bout my body rotting in a cofin when i die.
Absolutely no way to tell. Me, I go with cessation of existence when it comes to death, but I have no answer to your question.
I'm mostly with science, but there's a lot we don't know. Yet. (I hope)
I'm mostly with science, but there's a lot we don't know. Yet. (I hope)
I'm kind of conflicted. I highly doubt that we have souls, and yet I think we do.
Not to be depressing, but my grandfather passed away last month. After being in the hospital and comatose for nearly three weeks with no real hope of recovery, my grandmother decided to take him off life support. I was there for his final moments, and after he passed, it felt like the room had become empty. It might've just been my emotions getting to me, but I couldn't feel his presence anymore. I sat there for about half an hour and the more I stared at his body the more it felt as though I wasn't really looking at anybody I knew. The grandfather I had known was gone, and all that remained was his cast-away shell.
Like I said, that very well could've been me just being emotional during the moment. I am an atheist, but it's hard to say that I didn't feel something leave him in those moments. So while I really don't believe in them, I would like to think that I'm wrong.
Not to be depressing, but my grandfather passed away last month. After being in the hospital and comatose for nearly three weeks with no real hope of recovery, my grandmother decided to take him off life support. I was there for his final moments, and after he passed, it felt like the room had become empty. It might've just been my emotions getting to me, but I couldn't feel his presence anymore. I sat there for about half an hour and the more I stared at his body the more it felt as though I wasn't really looking at anybody I knew. The grandfather I had known was gone, and all that remained was his cast-away shell.
Like I said, that very well could've been me just being emotional during the moment. I am an atheist, but it's hard to say that I didn't feel something leave him in those moments. So while I really don't believe in them, I would like to think that I'm wrong.