Do people not realize games aren't $60?

[drummond13]

Then you're not buying it. You're renting it at a ridiculously steep price.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

This will be hilarious when Phoenix gets a credit card, though I don't envy their accountant or lawyer.

I have 3 credit cards and not $0.01 of debt.

Can't re-sell the game if you bought it digitally. But that's a stupid argument anyway, considering you should want to keep a game you just paid money for.

Defending games being sold for sixty dollars with a campaign of only five hours or under is absolutely ridiculous. You're not even getting back what you paid for in game time. It just screams, "I'm trying to justify my obviously stupid purchase!"

C'mon now.

Why the fuck would you buy digitally when the physical copy is cheaper and you have the ability to resell (if you want)? What's the standard for game time per hour then? It's not like other forms of entertainment are priced per hour of length/content; a 90 minute and 3 hour movie costs the same.

So in other words, some PC gamers were obnoxious towards you, and so you've decided the best reaction is to be pre-emptively just as obnoxious in the future? You have no reason to complain about obnoxious elitists if you yourself have made a conscious decision to be an obnoxious elitist.

I never said console gaming is better, all I said was that being able to resell games is PRO of console gaming that PC gamers never factor into arguments detailing why PC gaming is better in their opinion. How am I being elitist when I didn't say either was objectively better?

My favorite part is the part where he accuses someone else of using a strawman argument while also explaining that consoles are better than PCs because you can play them on the couch with a controller.

It's almost like he has no idea how PC gaming actually works.

Step 1 - Connect your PC to your TV with an HDMI cable.

Step 2 - Connect your favorite controller / wireless receiver to one of your PC's USB ports. I myself prefer a wireless Xbox 360 controller, but there are tons of options if you like something else.

Step 3 - Play games on your big-screen TV from the couch using a controller. Or from the kitchen. Or the bathroom, if that's your thing.

I've been principally a PC gamer for almost ten years. The only games I've had to use keyboard and mouse for in those ten years are Starcraft II and Papers, Please. Good luck playing the console versions of either of those.

Yes, I know how to do all of that, I'm a PC tech BTW, my PC is currently connected via HDMI too. One of the arguments PC gamers use to state PC gaming is better is that the KB/M is better and how horrible it is to aim with a controller and how a controller doesn't have enough buttons and how they hate how games are made with the controller in mind like Diablo 3's controls or Skyrim's console interface. I know you can play with a controller on PC but that cancels out a huge PRO of PC gaming in many people's minds.

Well if that's your plan just spend $5 and rent it for the weekend. You won't need to put down a $60 security deposit if you rent it.

I said that's worst case scenario. I'm not going to have any game just for a weekend. You can have a game for 2-3 months and get a plenty back when selling it. And, if you want to replay it, it'll probably be dirt cheap by then, worst case scenario is that it costs $20 to play it at release and you pay another $20 to buy it back (probably more like $10), that's still only $40 for the game, still less than $60. The Order will most likely be free on PS+ when the sequel is close to releasing so I'll be able to play it again before the sequel if I want.

Way to complete ignore everyone who bought the game digitally OP. But then again, your post comes off extremely close minded and hostile towards those who bought the game and are not happy with their purchase. What seems like a simple solution to you may not be the case for everyone else.

Again, why the fuck would you buy it digitally when the physical copy is cheaper? I'll pay $50 for it at Target, you can get it for $38 at Best Buy. Why buy it digitally? It's not like you have to drive out to the store to buy a physical copy; Amazon is just as convenient as PSN or Live, you don't have to leave your house. And, the physical copy is better because you have the option of selling it. Digital copies should be cheaper than the physical copy and until they are, I'm not buy any game digitally unless it's under $20. I have bought several games digitally off PSN sales or price drops, I got Bulletstorm for $5 a couple weeks back.

 

[WeepingAngels]

I said that's worst case scenario. I'm not going to have any game just for a weekend. You can have a game for 2-3 months and get a plenty back when selling it. And, if you want to replay it, it'll probably be dirt cheap by then, worst case scenario is that it costs $20 to play it at release and you pay another $20 to buy it back (probably more like $10), that's still only $40 for the game, still less than $60. The Order will most likely be free on PS+ when the sequel is close to releasing so I'll be able to play it again before the sequel if I want.

Well, let's look at your opening post.

All of this stupid is The Order 1886 worth $60 discussion is pointless because the game isn't going to cost you $60. Say you beat the game in 5.5 hours after paying $60 and say you hated it or loved the shit out it but you'd never replay it. Well...
ProTip: you can fucking sell the game!!!

Well clearly you never mentioned the part about keeping for 2-3 months, I mean...why would you keep it that long if you beat it quickly and you know you would never replay it?

Maybe the rest of the post clears up the whole "how long to keep the game = 2-3 months" thing.

If you buy the game on release and beat it over the weekend. You're going to be able to get at least $40 for it if you sell it.

Well see here you are actually saying "sell it after a weekend and get $40 back". Your revision is on pretty thin ice.

What's the point of waiting for a game to drop to $30, $20, or whatever when you can play it now for that price?

Oh you know, maybe so you don't have to put down a $60 deposit for a weekend's use of the game.

 

[Twerksaver]

Why the fuck would you buy digitally when the physical copy is cheaper and you have the ability to resell (if you want)? What's the standard for game time per hour then? It's not like other forms of entertainment are priced per hour of length/content; a 90 minute and 3 hour movie costs the same.

First off, digital copies aren't more expensive than physical ones. In fact, you have to pay tax with physical copies, so you'd actually be paying more than what you'd pay for a digital copy.

If you've been paying fifty to sixty dollars for your movies than you've been getting seriously ripped off. You can get dawn of the planet of the apes on blu-ray for around thirty dollars.

Movies and video games are two completely different forms of entertainment. One is interactive, while the other is not. So yes, I'm fine with spending thirty dollars for a three hour movie.

 

[AnthrSolidSnake]

I find selling games a pain in the ass. Sure, there are plenty of options, but if I sell it online I'd have to ship it, and if I sell it personally, unless I know them, I'd have to meet them somewhere.
And the people I know don't commonly play on console or if they do they rarely play the same types of games I do.

Plus you'll have people trying to haggle you down or even convince you to trade instead.

 

[FirstNameLastName]

So in other words, some PC gamers were obnoxious towards you, and so you've decided the best reaction is to be pre-emptively just as obnoxious in the future? You have no reason to complain about obnoxious elitists if you yourself have made a conscious decision to be an obnoxious elitist.

I never said console gaming is better, all I said was that being able to resell games is PRO of console gaming that PC gamers never factor into arguments detailing why PC gaming is better in their opinion. How am I being elitist when I didn't say either was objectively better?

You claim to be, and I quote ...

I just return the favor of PC gamers brushing off console gamers, just tired of PC gamers acting like console gaming has no pros. Playing a game on bigger screen in a comfy chair/couch with a surround sound system is a far better experience than sitting at my desk playing with a keyboard and mouse (mouse is great but I hate using a keyboard, it was meant for typing).

"Brushing off" console gamers sounds like an act of elitism, and you claim to be "returning the favour" of this elitism. If you are returning someone's obnoxious behaviour, then how are you not in turn being obnoxious?

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Well clearly you never mentioned the part about keeping for 2-3 months, I mean...why would you keep it that long if you beat it quickly and you know you would never replay it?

Maybe the rest of the post clears up the whole "how long to keep the game = 2-3 months" thing.

Well see here you are actually saying "sell it after a weekend and get $40 back". Your revision is on pretty thin ice.

Oh you know, maybe so you don't have to put down a $60 deposit for a weekend's use of the game.

It was just a hypothetical situation / worst case scenario for any game (maybe you just hate the game you bought and don't want to finish it ever), which if it does happen, the game doesn't cost you $60. That's the main point, not how long you have it for. I take my time with games and never feel the need to rush through to sell it or anything like that. I'll even let friends borrow and play it if they ask. $60 isn't that much and there aren't many games that you want to play on day 1 either.

First off, digital copies aren't more expensive than physical ones. In fact, you have to pay tax with physical copies, so you'd actually be paying more than what you'd pay for a digital copy.

If you've been paying fifty to sixty dollars for your movies than you've been getting seriously ripped off. You can get dawn of the planet of the apes on blu-ray for around thirty dollars.

Movies and video games are two completely different forms of entertainment. One is interactive, while the other is not. So yes, I'm fine with spending thirty dollars for a three hour movie.

You can get The Order for $50 at Target or $38 at Best Buy (if you're in their game club), there's usually some place with a deal even on day 1 (usually at least a $10 credit). You can buy a physical copy online, NO TAX, just the same as a digital copy.

You said, "Defending games being sold for sixty dollars with a campaign of only five hours or under is absolutely ridiculous. You're not even getting back what you paid for in game time."

What does that even mean? There is no universal standard for game time per $$$ and everyone is different. You might only buy games at full price that are 50+ hours whereas I buy any game on release that I'm really looking forward too or in the mood to play, I don't care how long they are. How am I not getting back what I paid for? You wouldn't even know if I did or not. Vanquish is probably my 2nd favorite game of last-gen and it's 5-7 hours long (no multiplayer) and I got one of the finest video experiences and probably like 30 hours of game time; did I not get back what I paid for? A blu-ray for $30 sounds rather expensive. You can get the finest trilogy of all-time, The Cornetto Trilogy, for $22 on blu-ray on Amazon right now.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

I find selling games a pain in the ass. Sure, there are plenty of options, but if I sell it online I'd have to ship it, and if I sell it personally, unless I know them, I'd have to meet them somewhere.
And the people I know don't commonly play on console or if they do they rarely play the same types of games I do.

Plus you'll have people trying to haggle you down or even convince you to trade instead.

It's really easy to put up an eBay auction. All you need is a padded envelope for shipping (which can be picked up at a store like Walmart that you go to normally anyways) and then make a trip to the post office to ship it.

"Brushing off" console gamers sounds like an act of elitism, and you claim to be "returning the favour" of this elitism. If you are returning someone's obnoxious behaviour, then how are you not in turn being obnoxious?

How is me feeling I got brushed off from any group an act of elitism on my part? It's the group that's acting elitist by doing the brushing off to me. I may misconstrue things at times but feeling I got brushed off (rightly or wrongly) is not an act of elitism. An act of elitism as acting like your superior to another person/group, which I never have done in the thread. I have no problem excepting being obnoxious to a degree, but not elitist.

 

[FirstNameLastName]

"Brushing off" console gamers sounds like an act of elitism, and you claim to be "returning the favour" of this elitism. If you are returning someone's obnoxious behaviour, then how are you not in turn being obnoxious?

How is me feeling I got brushed off from any group an act of elitism on my part? It's the group that's acting elitist by doing the brushing off to me. I may misconstrue things at times but feeling I got brushed off (rightly or wrongly) is not an act of elitism. An act of elitism as acting like your superior to another person/group, which I never have done in the thread. I have no problem excepting being obnoxious to a degree, but not elitist.

Re read what I said.

"Brushing off" console gamers sounds like an act of elitism, and you claim to be "returning the favour" of this elitism. If you are returning someone's obnoxious behaviour, then how are you not in turn being obnoxious?

If you are returning the behaviour of an elitist, then how can you not in turn act like an elitist?

Either way, this conversation is becoming rather inconsequential.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Re read what I said.

"Brushing off" console gamers sounds like an act of elitism, and you claim to be "returning the favour" of this elitism. If you are returning someone's obnoxious behaviour, then how are you not in turn being obnoxious?

If you are returning the behaviour of an elitist, then how can you not in turn act like an elitist?

Either way, this conversation is becoming rather inconsequential.

I'm merely giving them the same respect they gave me. If I was wanting to be elitist, I'd say console gaming was superior.

 

[Chemical123]

And for someone who lives outside of US and Europe reselling games is pretty much impossible and on top of that physical copies cost twice as much so digital copies of games is the only way to get games for a reasonable price. But please continue to bask in your brilliance oh wise prophet of money savings.

 

[Kyogissun]

"Brushing off" console gamers sounds like an act of elitism, and you claim to be "returning the favour" of this elitism. If you are returning someone's obnoxious behaviour, then how are you not in turn being obnoxious?

How is me feeling I got brushed off from any group an act of elitism on my part? It's the group that's acting elitist by doing the brushing off to me. I may misconstrue things at times but feeling I got brushed off (rightly or wrongly) is not an act of elitism. An act of elitism as acting like your superior to another person/group, which I never have done in the thread. I have no problem excepting being obnoxious to a degree, but not elitist.

Two wrongs don't make a right OP and you yourself are being a close minded elitist by ragging on those who bought it digitally, don't hunt for deals, aren't in Best Buy's game club and a myriad of other reasons why people aren't agreeing with your method.

You've shown your ignorance over and over again, I'd advise you to let this whole ordeal go and recognize that people have poked holes in your logic and accept that your proposed method is not the end all be all means of saving money.

Continue with your strawman arguments, but know that there are people on the site who will likely give you a verbal tirade of a response that you won't be prepared for.

 

[Pyro Yuy]

I much prefer digital. After having my apartment broken into and all my electronics stolen... It was a pain trying to find all the games I had again. But I know with steam all I need to do is click on download, and it's there again (and if it had Steamworks I'll have a very recent save!).

 

[sniddy_v1legacy]

Hell, you'd have had a MUCH better argument if you'd at least have gone with "Why don't you rent the game?". Why didn't you go with that argument? If the game is truly 5.5 hours long, I could rent it for $3 from Redbox and then I really would be saving money. I'm a genius!

So this ends discusson right

Want the game buy now - know what you're getting into

Want to play the game now and have the console - Rent it

Want the game - but happy to wait till it drops to about $20 - do so

 

[Dragonbums]

Selling the game still doesn't negate the fact that you initially spent $60.00 on the game anyway soooooooooooooo what point are you getting at exactly?

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Two wrongs don't make a right OP and you yourself are being a close minded elitist by ragging on those who bought it digitally, don't hunt for deals, aren't in Best Buy's game club and a myriad of other reasons why people aren't agreeing with your method.

You've shown your ignorance over and over again, I'd advise you to let this whole ordeal go and recognize that people have poked holes in your logic and accept that your proposed method is not the end all be all means of saving money.

Continue with your strawman arguments, but know that there are people on the site who will likely give you a verbal tirade of a response that you won't be prepared for.

Digital is the inferior copy of the game and it's the same price or more expensive.

It takes all of 30 seconds to see if there's a deal for your game:
https://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/10-video-game-deals/

What is with people on the Escapist and not understanding what a straw man argument is?

Want the game buy now - know what you're getting into

Want to play the game now and have the console - Rent it

Want the game - but happy to wait till it drops to about $20 - do so

There's not many rental places anymore and Red Box is what $2/day for a game? If you rent the game and love it, then you have to buy it at retail + add how much the rental fees were. A lot of games you can't beat in a rental's time (due to game length, your life, or both); the thread isn't about The Order, it's about ANY GAME. The whole point is you don't have to wait for it to drop to $20 to pay $20 for the experience.

Selling the game still doesn't negate the fact that you initially spent $60.00 on the game anyway soooooooooooooo what point are you getting at exactly?

Do mail-in rebates not count as money off then? If you bought a computer or TV for say $500 that had a $100 mail-in rebate, wouldn't you tell people that it cost you $400? Because that's how much it ended up costing.

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

I still think that's a little steep even if the movie is more than 5 hours long.

oh you...

heres my personal input:

nowadays the video game market is extremely competitive, in an age where i can open steam and be greeted by thousands upon thousands of games, why should i settle for anything less than the very best? why should i pay 20 bucks, let alone 60 for a 5 hour long "cinematic" experience when with those 20 bucks i can buy right now...

1) Valkyria Chronicles
2) Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky
3) FEAR 1 + Mount & Blade Warband + FTL: Faster Than Light
4) Half-Life 2 + Episode 1 and 2
5) Hotline Miami + Terraria
6) etc you get the idea

old games for sure, but all extremely cheap, almost all of them ATLEAST TWICE AS LONG as the Order: 1886 and with much more replay value

today, game developers present me some of the best games ever made in a silver platter at ridiculously low prices, all of them competing for my dollar, again why bother to pick anything besides the very best?

 

[UsefulPlayer 1]

I don't understand how renting is a counter-argument. The premise is that you already bought the game and are pissed off about losing $60 because you hate it. What, are you pissed off you bought the game and then go rent it?

And obviously his hypothetical situation excludes digital copies. This obviously isn't the conversation of digital vs. physical, it's that the $60 isn't totally lost when buying a physical copy. I don't know how you're gonna get $40 back but good luck to you.

 

[Gengisgame]

Buying a game and then treading it in can be a good idea but people are right in that it doesn't change the fact on what the original price was.

I've traded in games a few times because I realized they where the type to go down in price fairly quickly.