keep in mind i only saw the movies so i'm ignorant. but, why be a jerk to sam! i guess stress is stress...Flying-Emu said:
do you actually like Luke Skywalker?
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I love how everyone assumes that J.R.R. Tolkien laid down homosexual undertones in their relationship, even though it's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain stem that their relationship was more of a brotherhood than a romance.toasterslayer said:
That right there. My friends and I were recently playing Star Wars Trivial Pursuit, which was made just after Episode 1 was released. We discarded all Episode 1 cards when they came up because that movie never happened.oliveira8 said:
Each time someone ask the question, I will always say "Do you remember Anakin Skywalker before he came Vader?". Therefore, I force their analogic skills. After that, they respond with "Yes, I liked Luke better".
Didn't Empire end with him getting his hand cut off and dangling from nowhere? Who did he defeat in that one? I'll admit it's been awhile, but I don't recall that.Freakout456 said:
I mean, I didn't connect with Luke like I did the other players, but yeah, I liked him. He seemed to roll with the punches quite well. The bastard did become the most important person in the world within a week, and he just went with it and took the bastards down. Han Solo had been doing that shit for awhile, even Leia was a princess so she had a vague idea of what to do. Luke? He just bulls-eyed womp rats when he wasn't drinking blue milk.
Luke Skywalker is "clichéd" in the same way Seinfeld is. A lot of his progression from farmboy to hero only seems clichéd now because things that came AFTER Star Wars have copied the formula.
The whole point of Luke is to be the kind of character most of you seem to dislike him for being. He's nothing more than a simple farmboy who happens to know a crazy old war veteran at the beginning of A New Hope, and at the end of Return of the Jedi he's a war hero, ace pilot and master swordsman with nearly godlike powers (if the Expanded Universe is to be believed).
The original Star Wars trilogy is all about the transformation from one thing to another. The Empire taking over and asserting their power in A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back, only to finally fall in Return of the Jedi. The Rebellion turning from guerilla fighters with only a handful of ships at their disposal to a strong fighting force with a fleet capable of launching a full-scale assault on a heavily fortified Imperial world (Endor, and later in the EU, Coruscant). Vader transforms from an evil, heartless villain, to a father torn between his master and his son, to finally a hero, turning from the Dark Side to redeem himself and killing off Palpatine.
Luke's is the most obvious of these transformations and, in my opinion, the strongest one. So in short, I really like Luke Skywalker.
Besides, Mark Hamill is kind of hot.
The whole point of Luke is to be the kind of character most of you seem to dislike him for being. He's nothing more than a simple farmboy who happens to know a crazy old war veteran at the beginning of A New Hope, and at the end of Return of the Jedi he's a war hero, ace pilot and master swordsman with nearly godlike powers (if the Expanded Universe is to be believed).
The original Star Wars trilogy is all about the transformation from one thing to another. The Empire taking over and asserting their power in A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back, only to finally fall in Return of the Jedi. The Rebellion turning from guerilla fighters with only a handful of ships at their disposal to a strong fighting force with a fleet capable of launching a full-scale assault on a heavily fortified Imperial world (Endor, and later in the EU, Coruscant). Vader transforms from an evil, heartless villain, to a father torn between his master and his son, to finally a hero, turning from the Dark Side to redeem himself and killing off Palpatine.
Luke's is the most obvious of these transformations and, in my opinion, the strongest one. So in short, I really like Luke Skywalker.
Besides, Mark Hamill is kind of hot.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.Flying-Emu said:
I'm putting stars and numbers next to the ones I can address.Freakout456 said:
1. Wouldn't be much of a story if he didn't
2. I think he looked pretty smug when Leia kissed him
3. No, he wasn't. Vader actually was the chosen one all along. He did end up killing Palpatine, after all
4. That's just a necessary part of the Hero's journey
5. Nope, got the crap kicked out of him and nearly died at the end of V
Luke was well-acted. The writing for the films was clearly poor, yet he did make us believe it. Calling him cliché on the other hand is a bit of an unfair criticism; we are talking about Hollywood movies here, and of course they're going to go for the farmboy/carpenter hero, after all it's an American film, and religious appeal is a big boost to their potential success. Why, one could even say America wants Jesus to be an American so badly that they go out of their way to make their heroes like him.
Cliché is something pretty much no one can avoid; just look at the TV Tropes website. There's a cliché in everything, so it's an unfair criticism.
Of course, you can still like or dislike Luke's personality. I personally found him a bit lacking in the courage department. He was easy to hate at the start - but that's the point, he goes a long way and changes throughout the movies, to the point where at the end he thinks nothing of facing Darth Vader unarmed in an attempt at peacefully turning him. He goes through that much change because he's Chosen, so they couldn't make him egotistical like Han Solo. Modesty usually goes with the heroic self-sacrifice job, and a lot was sacrificed to make Luke a hero in that story. If they'd made Han the protagonist for example, it'd just be another damned Indiana Jones movie, and those are famous for having crap all in the deeper themes department.
Cliché is something pretty much no one can avoid; just look at the TV Tropes website. There's a cliché in everything, so it's an unfair criticism.
Of course, you can still like or dislike Luke's personality. I personally found him a bit lacking in the courage department. He was easy to hate at the start - but that's the point, he goes a long way and changes throughout the movies, to the point where at the end he thinks nothing of facing Darth Vader unarmed in an attempt at peacefully turning him. He goes through that much change because he's Chosen, so they couldn't make him egotistical like Han Solo. Modesty usually goes with the heroic self-sacrifice job, and a lot was sacrificed to make Luke a hero in that story. If they'd made Han the protagonist for example, it'd just be another damned Indiana Jones movie, and those are famous for having crap all in the deeper themes department.
