What makes you say that? I have never really seen any scientific evidence that aims to show that ghosts exist or do not exist. Science has never seemed to try to prove or disprove the existence of ghosts. If you have some scientific articles or studies on the subject then please enlighten us.Silent_Protagonist said:
Do you believe in ghosts or the paranormal?
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- A few days ago I felt a sharp pain in my anus whilst laying in bed trying to fall asleep. I was unable to determine what caused my pain but it lasted for about two hours and I could barely move, it felt as if someone tied me to the bed. When the pain stopped I saw the door open and close. The only reasonable conclusion I can draw from this experience is that the ghost of Hitler raped me then left the room. -Aqua Trenoble said:
Do you now realize why no one attempts to disprove other peoples "personal experiences" or do I need to think of something even more outrageous to say? According to your logic the above phrase should be taken seriously. Not only should we call the police but we should also organized a full on manhunt for the ghost of Hitler. Also, if someone does not take me seriously I should insult them because it makes me feel better.
*Sigh* Another edit done far too late...Blablahb said:
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What sane con artist would offer to heal sexual abuse when the only result would be a lawsuit? They would lose lots of money and any credibility that they might have built!
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I reiterated the second sentence because you didn't seem to get my point. If you don't do the job you're supposed to do then you will lose money. A con artist wouldn't offer to heal sexual abuse when other areas are just as or nearly as profitable and far less likely to earn them a lawsuit. I know that false allegations of sexual abuse are dangerous. That's completely tangential to my point. What I'm saying is that the "victim" or their family would sue the con artist if they had the slightest bit of sense. The argument that you made is that a con artist would handle sexual abuse incorrectly, and that is the argument that I'm using to say that a con artist would not advertise such therapy because of the likelihood of being sued!
Also please fix your spelling, it's bothering me quite a bit.
I think both sides on this argument are wrong. Putting it in classical faith V science terms, scientists will often claim to know absolutely that no such things exist due to certain natural laws, but that's the very point of the term "super"natural. When you are talking about the supernatural, by it's very definition, the established laws of our reality are not certain to apply. The "faithful" will often claim that the supernatural is everywhere, which quite frankly, it isn't. There are certainly more hoaxes than any of the other "unexplained" cases, to suspect the supernatural without extensive prior investigation into other, more likely possibilities is extremely foolish.
I think we should learn to accept, as part of our own humanity, that the only thing we really know of these matters is that we know nothing.
I think we should learn to accept, as part of our own humanity, that the only thing we really know of these matters is that we know nothing.
ghosts, vampires, werewolves, ghouls -no
souls, afterlife, something beyond our understanding -yes
i have my problems with the church,mosque,temple
but i believe in a higher power
souls, afterlife, something beyond our understanding -yes
i have my problems with the church,mosque,temple
but i believe in a higher power
GODDAMNIT. WHAT. I. AM. SAYING. IS.AndyFromMonday said:
People had positive results with healers. Other people think that they imagined these positive results. These other people are making up reasons for things which do not fit their opinions to not be true.
DO. YOU. UNDERSTAND?
No it can't. First of all the brain is barely understood at all.megamanenm said:
Second of all biology only claims to understand behaviour that eventually increases the chances of survival of your genes. That behaviour can very well be auto-destructive or helpfull to society. Now since I'm quite smart, and rather charming if I want to, I could think of several things I could do to increase the chance of survival of my genes, and I could conquer the limits evolution has laid down upon me to not damage society while doing so.
Third of all you don't know me. Who are you to say I don't need my believe in my soul to keep my sanity? The things I said clearly only related to me, not in people in general. Honestly I find it rather rude for you to say I have no reasons to believe in souls. (Okay I used souls pural, but wouldn't it be rather arrogant to assume that I'm the only person with a soul?)
People had positive results being raped by ghost Hitler. Other people think that they imagined these positive results but those other people are making up reasons for things which do not fit their opinion to not be true.Aqua Trenoble said:
BY YOUR OWN LOGIC, you must take me seriously. I'm going to say this again, do you see why people ridicule the paranormal or am I just wasting my time?
I do believe in the possibility of spirits existing and have had a few things happen, some I can explain and others I can't.
At one point I worked with my mother in a gas station. I was walking to the kitchen when my cell phone calls my mothers phone without me touching it. I quickly dismissed it because I had change bouncing around in the same pocket.
I reset the phone to the top of the address list,turned it off, set it face down next to my mothers phone and started to walk away when it turned on by itself and called my mothers phone again. Other than some serious electronic interference, I can't explain how my phone turned itself on, scrolled through 23 phone numbers and chose my mothers number a second time.
Another I can't explain came the night of my sister's funeral. I lay in bed crying because I didn't let it out during the funeral (If I broke down, my mother wouldn't have a foundation to support her) and was just about to fall asleep when I felt a really hot hand rub my right shoulder. I spun to my side, fist in the air ready to hit someone but couldn't see in complete darkness. turned on the light and noone was there.
I walked into the kitchen and asked my father to check my shoulder because I felt a painful burning sensation. He said that my shoulder had a mark on it that looked like someone drug their hand down my shoulder. The burning subsided the next day, but the mark was still there and was still hot to the touch.
I've asked many people about it and noone was able to offer up any explanation.
At one point I worked with my mother in a gas station. I was walking to the kitchen when my cell phone calls my mothers phone without me touching it. I quickly dismissed it because I had change bouncing around in the same pocket.
I reset the phone to the top of the address list,turned it off, set it face down next to my mothers phone and started to walk away when it turned on by itself and called my mothers phone again. Other than some serious electronic interference, I can't explain how my phone turned itself on, scrolled through 23 phone numbers and chose my mothers number a second time.
Another I can't explain came the night of my sister's funeral. I lay in bed crying because I didn't let it out during the funeral (If I broke down, my mother wouldn't have a foundation to support her) and was just about to fall asleep when I felt a really hot hand rub my right shoulder. I spun to my side, fist in the air ready to hit someone but couldn't see in complete darkness. turned on the light and noone was there.
I walked into the kitchen and asked my father to check my shoulder because I felt a painful burning sensation. He said that my shoulder had a mark on it that looked like someone drug their hand down my shoulder. The burning subsided the next day, but the mark was still there and was still hot to the touch.
I've asked many people about it and noone was able to offer up any explanation.
If they existed they're would be irrefutable proof by now that they existed. Since I have seen or heard of none that can't be explained by science, I wholly doubt the existence of the paranormal. Good day sirs.
THE WEBSITE THAT I BROUGHT UP IS RUN BY MY MOTHER. MY MOTHER IS THAT SPIRITUAL HEALER. SHE IS NOT A CON ARTIST. I AM ATTEMPTING TO PROVE WHY BUT EVIDENTLY FAILING.Blablahb said:
That is pretty weird that no con artist was ever sued for fraudulent behavior.
USUALLY HAS ONE "S!" PROSECUTED HAS ONE "C!" INDEPENDENT POSSESSES NO "A" AND VICTIMIZE HAS NO "S!" PLEASE SPELL WORDS CORRECTLY! THANK YOU!
Maybe my eyes are getting tired of reading this argument and are now imagining things, but how does your comment make any damn sense? People seeing healers is common. Positive results are not. Being raped by ghost Hitler, no matter what the results, is uncommon. In fact, I'm fairly confident in asserting that it almost never happens. Thus the other people in your scenario would most likely be correct in assuming that the positive results, and even the whole incident, were entirely imagined. Your attempt to use my logic is completely flawed.AndyFromMonday said:
I SEE why people ridicule the paranormal, it's because they have been given no evidence that any occurrences are paranormal. The point that I'm trying so very hard to get across is that in some cases there is potential evidence that people ignore sometimes. Can you please stop deliberately missing my point? PLEASE?
not trying to be mean but all she may be doing is placebo... if one belives X is true your body may react as it was real, taking the benifits such as healing or feeling better.Aqua Trenoble said:
This is my point of view as i belive there is always some explanation for something, science has proven that by making theories and later experiments confirming such. Paranormal is... basically what cant be explained and that goes against my way of viewing the world.
Many ghost stories are nothing more than things that we missinterpreted and didnt care to search for alternatives because we unracionaly tought i was a ghost.
For me the same goes for life after death, as hard as it sounds i think the brain is like a computer when it breaks all the content inside of it dies, memories, personality, everything
Besides its relatively easy to make a psycologicaly weakened person to tell you how your relative was and behaved and later on act just the way they told you to without even noticing you.
until i get undeniable proof i wont belive about the paranormal
Alright, you have a valid point. But even if she isn't actually doing anything, if people are getting real, positive results from her work then she still gets real, positive results and deserves her money and clients. Even if she just gives extremely effective placebos, her clients do get their money's worth.HavoK 09 said:
well if the person in question is glad to pay the price and gets positive results then i have no objectionsAqua Trenoble said:
"everything is worth what is purchaser will pay for"
it is a threatment that depends on ones beliefs but so do many other things such as religions and ideals
it would probably work on my grandmother, who is deeply religious and belives in the afterlife, but not on me who sees death more as an ending rather than a begging
Scam or not, you only pay if you want