Do you ever get tired of the samuri sword?

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Berethond

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Xanadu84 said:
I'm all for variety, but there is a reason why Katanas get so much attention. The craftsmenship behind them is pretty incredible. The amount of folding and all the detailed work required to make a Japanese Katana is pretty mind boggling when compared to most other swords. The difficulty in creating them is what makes them the stuff of legends. Even if a another sword were technically better, it probably didn't have nearly as much gravitas attached to its making. Its just another tool, as opposed to a Katanas great effort of engineering.

Of course, the reason Katanas require so much effort is because Japanese steel tended to be extremely low quality, and they needed great feats of engineering just for them to work properly. But in the realm of fiction, this just adds to the appeal.
No, they're just tools for hitting people. They're not even that hard to make. Really.
 

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Berethond said:
Xanadu84 said:
I'm all for variety, but there is a reason why Katanas get so much attention. The craftsmenship behind them is pretty incredible. The amount of folding and all the detailed work required to make a Japanese Katana is pretty mind boggling when compared to most other swords. The difficulty in creating them is what makes them the stuff of legends. Even if a another sword were technically better, it probably didn't have nearly as much gravitas attached to its making. Its just another tool, as opposed to a Katanas great effort of engineering.

Of course, the reason Katanas require so much effort is because Japanese steel tended to be extremely low quality, and they needed great feats of engineering just for them to work properly. But in the realm of fiction, this just adds to the appeal.
No, they're just tools for hitting people. They're not even that hard to make. Really.
Damascus Steel is even harder to make and has, in my opinion, a better result.
 

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Katanas are very versatile and in many ways better at slicing and stabbing than similar-length European swords. That, and the various styles of wielding one look REALLY COOL. That being said, it would be funny to see a protagonist pick up a gladius and, bitching about how he wished it was a katana, used it anyway.
 

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HankMan said:
Watch and learn, grasshopper
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Lead is soft, steel is hard. Any sword will cut the bullet. THe soft lead hits the sharp steel and splits.

A medieval longsword is far better than a katana. Better thrusting, tis far better against armor (the curved katana glances off armor, the straight bladed longsword bites into the metal to deliver blunt damage through the armor), and cutting power is comparable.
 

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Why would he complain when the Gladius can be a superior weapon when used in the situation it was designed for? Close quarters combat with a shield and hundred of thousands of other people almost literally on top of you. Not to say the Katana isn't good in close quarters, but in the situations the Roman Legions faced, I would definitely prefer the Gladius and a massive shield.
 

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I'm annoyed that popular culture and anime have their grubby mits all over my beloved katanas, and that they're over-used in everything, but I still like them.
 

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The_Blue_Rider said:


Lets see a katana face off against that >:D
(If you dont get a good grasp of the swords size from the pic, its about that guys height, that guy is roughly 6ft 5)

But yes Im quite sick of all the fanbois bragging about how superior the katana is to every weapon ever made, its a fucking curved piece of metal
Of course that sword is also really only good for a single swing or two. Something about a sword that large either weighing a literal ton or being weak/light enough that it breaks early and often.
 

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Katana vs Claymore where skill with the blade is equal then. I would put money on the Claymore to simply break the Katana if they could get off a clean hit. The picture is just an exaggerated example of this.
 

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Different weapons adapted for different environments where different resources and equipment were prevalent.

Saying one is better than the other in the situation they were designed for and are useless a situation they were not designed for is pointless. Just like saying that a steak knife is better for cutting steak than a soup spoon is and that a soup spoon is better at carrying soup around than a steak knife is.

They are both great at the situations they were made for, shut up about it.
 

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Yes the jumonji yari is a disturbing weapon (in the hands of an expert) but the elongated blade of a naginta is why I brought it up. The idea of combining a sword a and a staff is awesome and I wish it was more represented in society. Plus the original designers did a hell of a job on it. Way better than that European shit. But I totally hear what you're saying, the yari is a great weapon; its just really hard to learn how to wield it properly.
Just thinking about it for a sec... naginata = scary anti-cavalry weapon (one well-placed cut decapitates both horse and rider, possible? maybe). Though for European weapons, the halberd (set of polearms) can be a nasty piece of work (though the metalwork is inferior to far-Eastern forging, admittedly).

As for the last sentence, in that case, I must be one of the unluckiest fuckers in martial arts in so much that I'm acquainted with four very very very skilled spearmen, who, thanks to me deciding to get back into it in a big way, refuse to hesitate to hand my arse back to me on a plate on a weekly basis. I can beat them all unarmed, so it sorta evens out ;)
 

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SckizoBoy said:
jawakiller said:
Yes the jumonji yari is a disturbing weapon (in the hands of an expert) but the elongated blade of a naginta is why I brought it up. The idea of combining a sword a and a staff is awesome and I wish it was more represented in society. Plus the original designers did a hell of a job on it. Way better than that European shit. But I totally hear what you're saying, the yari is a great weapon; its just really hard to learn how to wield it properly.
Just thinking about it for a sec... naginata = scary anti-cavalry weapon (one well-placed cut decapitates both horse and rider, possible? maybe). Though for European weapons, the halberd (set of polearms) can be a nasty piece of work (though the metalwork is inferior to far-Eastern forging, admittedly).

As for the last sentence, in that case, I must be one of the unluckiest fuckers in martial arts in so much that I'm acquainted with four very very very skilled spearmen, who, thanks to me deciding to get back into it in a big way, refuse to hesitate to hand my arse back to me on a plate on a weekly basis. I can beat them all unarmed, so it sorta evens out ;)
The West made up for "inferior" metal by building anything as large as possible to give it the most weight and hitting power. Look at the Scottish Claymore as an example. Massive weapon that, if I recall correctly, had a tendency to break "superior" swords through the force of the blow. Then, after the Crusades, we developed significantly better metals thanks to people studying the art at Damascus, famous for some of the best metal works in the history of the world.

But if you want nasty European weapons, the long bow is by far the best example. Very long range, very accurate, and the British were some of the first people to really give their archers support and training and by God it showed at places like the Battle of Agincourt.
 

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Nope. Love 'em. I think that every movie should be required to have at least one person onscreen weilding a Katana. Can you imagine how badass Bambi would be if he went all stealth-ninja deer on the hunters that shot his mom? Oh yeah.
 

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Sean951 said:
But if you want nasty European weapons, the long bow is by far the best example. Very long range, very accurate, and the British were some of the first people to really give their archers support and training and by God it showed at places like the Battle of Agincourt.
Yep, but the British (or rather Welsh/English) use of the longbow was much like a swordmaster's (stress on the 'master' bit) use of... well any sword: required training from a young age.

Most 'modern' longbows will have upper weight limits of about 50-60lbs at full draw tops, being shot by full grown men. With the Welsh longbowmen in particular, they were training like Balearic slingers of the mid-Republic era: you don't shoot well, you don't eat (or something to that effect). And this is when they're less than 10. As adults, the Agincourt school of archers would have up to 120lbs on their fingers, and the amount of training required was fairly prohibitive, which was why it fell out of favour for the crossbow (after a few English setbacks, since high quality longbowmen are very difficult to replace) and later the arbalest (god I love that weapon... powerful as hell, being that time's equivalent of a handheld cannon, very good armour piercing capability, but takes about half an hour to reload!).

However, I do agree, when 10000 arrows are speeding at you from more than 800yds, you'd crap yourself as well.
 

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The arbalest was around at a similar time, however the English always put a stress on having much of their population being competent with at least a basic longbow, and then that they could fire at a rate 2-3 times that of a crossbow made them arguably superior when the 2 forces met... which was pretty much never since the rest of Europe favored the crossbow and England largely stuck to attacking France on land. It is my favorite overall weapon of the time though, and has been described as the "machine gun of it's day" by historians.
 

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bdcjacko said:
I'm glad the young turks think killing someone in real life is something to joke about and have really shitty audio.
Well it says he had a history of crime, and was released from prison a few days prior to breaking into some other innocent person house to rob them. No loss for mankind, though if this had happened in the UK the guy would have got life probably.

The Samuri swords are overdone, though to be fair there's like 5 variants, not just katanas. But in anime the katana will obviously be the default sword of choice, being of japanese origin, and I suppose it just looks cooler for katanas to be used in action films, especially since they can be used fully with only one hand... Though i'm sure in real life you aren't going to be cutting off hands at lightening speed holding it with one hand.

Flails and battle-axes seem much more interesting than katanas, going from a purely aesthetic viewpoint with no regard for actual functionality. If I was killing a burglar I'd much rather be armed with a massive fucking battleaxe.

Ahh, mail order weaponry, now you too can be the Demoman or Varg Vikernes http://www.weaponmasters.com/shopping/Medieval-Battle-Axe-Wooden-Handle-p-18380.html
 

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SICK0_ZER0 said:
bdcjacko said:
I'm glad the young turks think killing someone in real life is something to joke about and have really shitty audio.
Well it says he had a history of crime, and was released from prison a few days prior to breaking into some other innocent person house to rob them. No loss for mankind, though if this had happened in the UK the guy would have got life probably.
That is cold bro...I mean he does sound like a drain on society. I just wish prison systems paid for themselves by making inmates do hard labor or something instead of being day spas so the convicts were productive. But that is a different topic.
 

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bdcjacko said:
SICK0_ZER0 said:
bdcjacko said:
I'm glad the young turks think killing someone in real life is something to joke about and have really shitty audio.
Well it says he had a history of crime, and was released from prison a few days prior to breaking into some other innocent person house to rob them. No loss for mankind, though if this had happened in the UK the guy would have got life probably.
That is cold bro...I mean he does sound like a drain on society. I just wish prison systems paid for themselves by making inmates do hard labor or something instead of being day spas so the convicts were productive. But that is a different topic.
Alright maybe I worded it very harshly, I don't mean to sound like i wish for the mass genocide of criminals, but if a guy is jumpy enough to grab a sword upon hearing a sound at night I'd say he was justified to attack when the criminal went for him, provided that is what happened.

Re-reading my post I sound like a Psycho, I guess when we're comparing weaponry that's to be expected a little.
 

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SICK0_ZER0 said:
bdcjacko said:
SICK0_ZER0 said:
bdcjacko said:
I'm glad the young turks think killing someone in real life is something to joke about and have really shitty audio.
Well it says he had a history of crime, and was released from prison a few days prior to breaking into some other innocent person house to rob them. No loss for mankind, though if this had happened in the UK the guy would have got life probably.
That is cold bro...I mean he does sound like a drain on society. I just wish prison systems paid for themselves by making inmates do hard labor or something instead of being day spas so the convicts were productive. But that is a different topic.
Alright maybe I worded it very harshly, I don't mean to sound like i wish for the mass genocide of criminals, but if a guy is jumpy enough to grab a sword upon hearing a sound at night I'd say he was justified to attack when the criminal went for him, provided that is what happened.

Re-reading my post I sound like a Psycho, I guess when we're comparing weaponry that's to be expected a little.
Yeah, I figured you didn't mean to sound like a psycho, probably just the poor choice in wording and whatever, which is why I decided to go with that "That's cold bro." I'm sure in casual conversation, in context, your statement would have sounded better.

And yeah, if you have a weapon drawn on you while robbing a house, if you get killed because you won't just leave, kinda is your own fault.
 

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I will take a long dagger for when i'm feeling fancy and a warhammer for when i'm not, thankyou.
 

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I'm pretty sick of seeing the katana in everything. I would be most at home using a rapier myself though my favorite weapons of all time are the gladius and the naginata or other spears.