The Confederate Flag is universally recognized as a symbol of the Southern United States. Brandishing it is completely acceptable.
Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?
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My bad. I never answered TS's question. I don't find it offensive, but I do think it's a little stupid. I don't inderstand why people would be proud of the Confederacy. Let's just put aside the whole slavery/racism part. There's still the fact that it represents a nation that was a traitor to the United States, was so pitiful that it was never recognized as a real nation by any government, was only able to sustain itself for 4 years, and lost the only war in its nation's history.
I understand that it's part of Southern history, but it's not like it's a very glorious part. To me, it's kinda like that Detroit Lions fan that tattooed 0-16 on himself. All I can think is, "Can't you find a better part of your history to showcase?"
I understand that it's part of Southern history, but it's not like it's a very glorious part. To me, it's kinda like that Detroit Lions fan that tattooed 0-16 on himself. All I can think is, "Can't you find a better part of your history to showcase?"
Not to mention there's a difference between doing something horrible and fixing it, and doing something horrible and fighting to the death to keep doing it.Stevanchez said:
It's a piece of cloth, so no. If the person who "waves" this flag(or any flag) is a bigoted bell-end, then I(might)be offended.Angus Young said:
Let's just put to one side all of the veiled racism and hatred that call that symbol their ensign shall we?Angus Young said:
I think that you are missing the point that historically and literally speaking it is the sigil of a once-nation of defeated traitors to the union.
Do I find it offensive? No. Irrelevant? Yes. It only has a place as your avatar points out, in history books.
It truly amazes me how much our education system has failed. Honestly, how many of you honestly believe the civil war was about slavery? The issue of slavery was just slapped on to gain moral high ground. The issue was that the southern states did not get equal representation compared to the northern states, so they exercised the rights they had and seceded. Lincoln was the one who started and carried out a full scale war on the southern states for employing a completely legal act.
Slavery was nothing more than a moral distraction to justify killing American citizens. Why else would Lincoln free the slaves, yet leave them poor, unemployed, and without any rights? Because he didn't really give a damn. He got what he wanted. Control back over the states.
It took 100 years for black people to get equal rights as white people. They were never free. They were only lowered from a working class, to nothing.
Seriously people. Believe nothing that you do not verify on your own.
Slavery was nothing more than a moral distraction to justify killing American citizens. Why else would Lincoln free the slaves, yet leave them poor, unemployed, and without any rights? Because he didn't really give a damn. He got what he wanted. Control back over the states.
It took 100 years for black people to get equal rights as white people. They were never free. They were only lowered from a working class, to nothing.
Seriously people. Believe nothing that you do not verify on your own.
Do I find it offensive? No.
Do I think any one flying one, painting one one their car, or wearing one may be some what misguided? Yes.
Do I think any one flying one, painting one one their car, or wearing one may be some what misguided? Yes.
Although I am anti-slavery, I would like to point out why they (the confederates) were pro-slavery. Slavery was, to them, a necessary part of how things were run in the south. To them, slaves were considered basic, necessary tools, much like harvesters today. I think, considering they managed to get by without slaves, that they were just being stubborn and resisting change, but at the same time I can kind of understand their fears.Nate Corran said:
And to be fair the flag itself is not about pro-slavery, it's a symbol of an ex-'nation' that was pro-slavery. Saying that the confederate flag represents "the subjugation of African Americans" is like saying the Chinese flag represents communism. Yes, China is a communist country, but there is a lot more to it than that.
I think it boils down to the intent of the person who waves it, and I have to say your reason for it is nothing but honorable.Angus Young said:
I don't think so, but then I was born and raised in Texas, so I barely even notice the thing.
My advice is to brush up on your Civil War history and prepare a long speech about how the Confederacy and the Civil War wasn't just about slavery - slavery was a significant part, yes, but a lot of the Confederate fighters (among whom there were a fair few Africans) weren't out to protect slavery - they were trying to defend their home states. Robert E. Lee only led the Confederate armies because his home state, Virginia, seceded - had it remained in the Union, he would likely have accepted Lincoln's invitation to lead the Union forces. Blame the politicians.
Memorize that speech and bust it out whenever someone hassles you about the flag. At the very least, you get to shove their heads under the "putrescent waters of knowledge".
My advice is to brush up on your Civil War history and prepare a long speech about how the Confederacy and the Civil War wasn't just about slavery - slavery was a significant part, yes, but a lot of the Confederate fighters (among whom there were a fair few Africans) weren't out to protect slavery - they were trying to defend their home states. Robert E. Lee only led the Confederate armies because his home state, Virginia, seceded - had it remained in the Union, he would likely have accepted Lincoln's invitation to lead the Union forces. Blame the politicians.
Memorize that speech and bust it out whenever someone hassles you about the flag. At the very least, you get to shove their heads under the "putrescent waters of knowledge".
There are too many rednecks in my city who trail it around like it means everything to them. I have asked many what they thought the flag meant. The best answer I've gotten is "Southern Heritage, but I don't really know nothin' about the Civil War." The worst answer I've gotten is "It's a symbol of keeping the n****ers down." No joke.
The very sight of it fills me with nauseous rage.
The very sight of it fills me with nauseous rage.
I think it's distasteful enough to have an american flag, let alone the symbol of the confederacy.
Seriously, fuck nationalism, the most blood stained ideology in the history of the earth.
Seriously, fuck nationalism, the most blood stained ideology in the history of the earth.
Nah. its just a flag. i've seen bumper stickers 100000% more offensive then a flag that lost 99.9999999% of it's meaning/power 200 years ago.
No, in and of itself it's nothing but a historical item, much like the Swastika flag of Nazi Germany.
I find people who maliciously use it to express racism unpleasant and disgusting though. Doesn't offend me, as I don't respect such discriminators enough to really listen to what they have to say; When used like that, it's a worthless statement from worthless people.
I find people who maliciously use it to express racism unpleasant and disgusting though. Doesn't offend me, as I don't respect such discriminators enough to really listen to what they have to say; When used like that, it's a worthless statement from worthless people.
