I have the flag but it's inside my house I would never raise it. I do have one confederate ring I wear sometimes but it's something i've had for years and I love the look of it. So it's also a style thing I guessSuperMse said:
Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?
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I don't find it offensive any more than I find the swastika offensive. But I do find people who are proud to be from ___ (be it south of United States, US in general, Europe, Asia, Earth, etc.) to be laughable and deserving of scorn, because I think it's ridiculous to be proud of where you were born. For the same reason that someone born in the south does not owe the slaves' grand-grand-grandchildren anything, someone born in the south has no reason to be proud of being born in the south.
This is also the reason why I find the daily prayer to the flag that still happens in US schools absurd.
This is also the reason why I find the daily prayer to the flag that still happens in US schools absurd.
It's offensive if it's used in the context that you still want the Confederate States to exist. If you simply admire the design...I dunno, I still wouldn't be hanging things like that. I'm not personally offended by something like that, though.
Yes, it represents a nation that upheld several immoral values. Besides, it seems rather pointless, since you're just showing the banner of the losing team. But of course I'm going to think all of these things because I am a Northerner, and am therefore of the belief that the Confederacy can, well, I'm not going to throw insults around, you get my drift. When I see people who actually display that garbage in my home town (it happens once in a blue moon with certain tourists), I feel like laughing. I apologize, since I've been to the South, and there are some people who are quite kind, but I can't respect or express anything but contempt for the Confederacy, though I understand that their reasons for succession were more complicated than just slavery, and that the North was hardly flawless....
Ugh, I could babble on and on about this and create a text wall. Let me conclude by saying that I don't like the Confederacy at all, and therefore I don't like the Confederate flag.
Ugh, I could babble on and on about this and create a text wall. Let me conclude by saying that I don't like the Confederacy at all, and therefore I don't like the Confederate flag.
Why does everyone think the civil war was just about slavery? Abraham Lincoln didn't declare that they were fighting against slavery until well into the war. In fact, he said that the south could keep their slaves should they rejoin the union.trooper6 said:
The civil war was not "PRO vs ANTI slavery" it was about the unfair treatment of the federal and state courts in the south. They were not given a voice in government. This, prohabition, and the election of Abraham Lincoln (Who was a great president, but the south practically had ZERO say in his election.)Slavery was wrong, but the confederate flag is NOT a pro-slavery symbol! The south was treated unfairly, they rebelled. Slavery WAS an issue that helped fuel the tensions between the North and South but it was NOT the basis of the war.
That being said: Slavery is terrible. Rebelling against oppression is not. It's a double edged sword. It depends on the person flying the flag. Hell, Thor's symbol used to be a swatstika.
Honestly, that sounds like a German american raising a swastika as a tribute to his heritage, at least to me. Why not use your state flag? Or the "Don't tread on me" flag? I don't believe you can wash a symbol clean of the meanings it once held and use it as you will for some other purpose. It will always hold the meanings it once did, no matter what you think, and no matter how loudly you shout that it doesn't. The more loudly you shout, the more meaningless your words become. That is what I believe.DugMachine said:
I'm not offended by it, but I wonder how many germans fly the swastika, that is, after all, also heritage...
The Confederate Flag symbolizes southern heritage, in the same way that a swastika is so commonly associated with German pride.
yay ohio!
Anyway, no flag is offensive. IT's the attitudes and culture that people have who bear such symbols.
As a strictly historical artifact, the flag is NOT offensive.
Anyway, no flag is offensive. IT's the attitudes and culture that people have who bear such symbols.
As a strictly historical artifact, the flag is NOT offensive.
spartan231490 said:
For the record I have both of those flags as well. The ohio flag is on my closet door and Dont tread on me is the first thing you see going up the stairs to my room
Do I find it offensive? No. Perhaps a bit immature depending on the person but I honestly find any kind of nationalism immature. George Carlin puts my thoughts best: "I've could never understand ethnic or national pride cause to me, pride should be reserved for something you achieve or attain on your own. Not something happens by accident of birth"
I don't think it's offensive but then again I am a white guy on the verge of moving to Georgia so...
And people that look at the flag as an evil symbol of slavery... I could look at the British flag as a symbol of a country opressing Ireland and Scotland. Both countries where my Southern familys came from.
I'm from South Carolina (living in Charleston, though I grew up in the small town of Santee). So I've seen the flag a lot, and most of the people I've known who displayed it proudly were racist (and that's quite a number of people). I've heard the arguments about honoring ancestors all the time, but I've also heard too many of those same people say awful things about blacks in private company. I don't doubt that there are people who merely want to respect their ancestors and whatnot, but I think those individuals are few. If you tell me that's why you display it, I won't believe you. A life of living in the South has taught me that.
On a positive note, I don't see many people flying the flag or wearing it too much anymore (at least not around where I live). It may make me an equally horrible person for saying this, but I hold out a hope that the racists are all dying off while they live alone in the fringe country areas.
On a positive note, I don't see many people flying the flag or wearing it too much anymore (at least not around where I live). It may make me an equally horrible person for saying this, but I hold out a hope that the racists are all dying off while they live alone in the fringe country areas.