Do you include the delivery fee in with the tip?

[Firstmark_Bannor]

That's why I like the idea of a card that'll educate you on why tipping is bad and urge you to talk to your employer about it. It shows that we're united, that there are many of us, and that it's nothing personal.

Couldn't we stand slipping you a couple of bucks? Couldn't you stand talking to your employer?

I dare you try unionizing in North Carolina. You'll be fired and effectively black listed (unemployable anywhere). I would love to unionize but it's illegal here. So tipping is not only a good thing, it really is the only way a lot of people here will be able to make ends meet.

 

[WeepingAngels]

In fairness, I think the US doesn't have great employment rights, so if you went to your boss and said "pay me extra because I wasn't tipped", they'd say "Well then you're clearly shit, you're fired."

As we have been discussing, the employer is supposed to make up the difference up to min wage. So atleast in one state (likely mot of the others too, if not all) delivery drivers never make below min wage, by law.

 

[Vegosiux]

I dare you try unionizing in North Carolina. You'll be fired and effectively black listed (unemployable anywhere). I would love to unionize but it's illegal here. So tipping is not only a good thing, it really is the only way a lot of people here will be able to make ends meet.

I'm not going to go saying that participating in this tipping culture you're responsible for the problem or part of it. In fact, if you're willing to cover for someone else who's getting screwed over by a third party, more power to you.

But, in the long run, this simply isn't going to improve the situation at the bottom of the proverbial barrel. Now, collective effort, collective pressure on the powers that be that something needs to be changed, fixed, isn't easy, nor is it going to just turn things around overnight. Still, "the way things are", the way the bottom rung service employees are effectively constantly held in fear, under the everlooming threat of being left jobless and left to rely on the goodwill of the consumer instead of being paid fairly by those who should be paying them in the first place, that's not healthy at all.

It's actually oppression. It's fear tactics. It's keeping a segment of population repressed through threat of even worse poverty and misery should they dare to fight for what they should have a right to. Eventually, the people will have to band together and put some political pressure where it's due instead of letting themselves get screwed over because they could have been screwed even more badly if they stuck their head out.

In the long run, this way of letting the business owners siphon wealth from the economy simply isn't sustainable.

 

[shootthebandit]

That's why I like the idea of a card that'll educate you on why tipping is bad and urge you to talk to your employer about it. It shows that we're united, that there are many of us, and that it's nothing personal.

Couldn't we stand slipping you a couple of bucks? Couldn't you stand talking to your employer?

I dare you try unionizing in North Carolina. You'll be fired and effectively black listed (unemployable anywhere). I would love to unionize but it's illegal here. So tipping is not only a good thing, it really is the only way a lot of people here will be able to make ends meet.

Unions are illegal? Seriously? What sort of fascist dictatorship do you live in where trade unionism is illegal. So you live in a country where the bottom rung employees are paid unfairly then make it illegal for them to do anything about it?

 

[TallanKhan]

As a Brit I know that anyone I tip is earning at least minimum wage regardless so I tend to be selective when it comes to tipping. I tip for good service in a restaurant, or from a taxi driver. I tend not to tip at a bar or the like unless the server really goes the extra mile or something.

Delivery drivers are a tough one. Often they work self employed on a commission basis so are the exception to the rule above, however, there is very little service involved in handing over a pizza and collecting my money. At the moment I live in a 2nd floor apartment so my current rule of thumb is that as long as they are reasonably friendly, delivery drivers who walk up the stairs to my front door get a tip, those who make me go down don't. If I end up back on the ground floor next time I move, I may have to re-evaluate my criteria, but for now it seems fair.

 

[Depulcator]

If I pay a delivery fee, I don't pay a tip. I've already paid for the service so there is no extra service being provided that warrants a tip.

This. And if i see double digit fee's I just don't get my pizza from there, or just go pick it up.

 

[albin205]

I'm from Sweden, And no one tips in sweden.

 

[-Dragmire-]

I don't know how it works in other countries, but here in the U.S.A, a delivery fee doesn't go to the driver. Plus, the driver's wage is very dependent on tips. Here, employees will earn minimum wage when in the store, but when they check out to do a delivery, their pay is reduced by about 3 dollars per hour and tips are expected to make it up. So basically, if drivers don't get tips, they make much less than what they would get if they were minimum wage full time. As such, I'm very much in favor of giving tips to delivery drivers.

That sounds like a scam under the guise of, "Making sure they don't waste time while the manager is unable to supervise them".

Does the average business cover gas for deliveries? The places near me tend to use personal vehicles(nothing on them indicating they are part of the business) when delivering so I'm not sure if the delivery charge is essentially gas money.

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I have family that delivers meals for his personal business[footnote]Freshly made food that's then frozen in microwavable containers. Most of his customers are seniors who can no longer cook for themselves but still want to eat healthily[/footnote], the delivery charge was implemented for two reasons. First, the area he covers is most of our city so deliveries can take over an hour to get to the place and back which adds up to quite a bit of gas money. Secondly, people were ordering such a small amount of food that he would actually lose money by delivering it, the charge makes people feel the need to order larger quantities to make the delivery charge seem worth it.
There's no expectation of tips though, that's completely up to the customer. Still, it brightens his day when he gets one.

 

[Vrach]

What the hell is a "delivery fee"?

Could be a regional difference, but most places charge extra for a delivery as opposed to actually grabbing your food at the take out palce. The ones that don't generally advertise quite heavily on it.

 

[TakerFoxx]

And you'll probably find a better one.

Except for the part where it's very hard to find a new job, I was unemployed for a year and a half before I found this job, don't do well at interviews, and actually like working here, as I explained in my last post.

We'd only be fighting against the system if we had the cards.

But what attitude do you find insulting, exactly? That I shouldn't have to give you EXTRA money for a service I'm not actually being charged for?

The whole "It's for your own good" attitude, as if having a bunch of people stop tipping to enact is actually doing us drivers a favor. It isn't. If you're not going to tip, by all means don't tip. It's your money, and tipping is voluntary. But at least be honest about it instead of acting like it's for our benefit.

 

[shootthebandit]

I never said anything about unionizing. I don't think an employer, or a group of employees, talking to their employer about something that they want changed counts as a "union".

From my experience that is the exact definition of a trade union. Most unions start off with negotiations with the employer if that fails they will then strike or take whatever action is required. Its a bit of a misconception that unions are aggressive and bullies. Yes they have been in the past but now they are simply organisations which provide support for workers

 

[Something Amyss]

Are tipping threads bad or something?

This could somehow become the rare acception but tipping threads usually end the same way that mentioning Anita Sarkeesian; two groups (pro-tipping and anti-tipping in this case) will flame each other until a Mod locks the thread up.

Don't forget the third group who rants about it because they come from a culture where service people are actually paid and therefore they don't understand it.

OT:

If there's a delivery charge, I pay it and the tip as separate entities. Then again, I over-tip on delivery because the place I order from most makes its drivers pay for gas and the like (which is why while I'm not pro-tipping, I'll do it anyway), so I'm not sure you'd really tell the difference.

 

[Something Amyss]

Oh, my righteous white knight on a shining steed, do tell me, what steps have you taken against employer abuse of the minimum wage laws? You say that you fight for my freedom...have you founded a grass-roots organization? Have you created a local union? Do you march in the streets against these injustices?

...or do you merely act high-and-mighty on a gaming forum?

I'm pretty much making up this idea as I go along. Confronting me in the beginning stages of my evolving plan to fight back and asking if I've won the war yet is pretty silly. Give me time.

Well, to be fair, if you have started a plan you should not only have it resolved but also fixed all the problems in the world. I mean, is that so unreasonable?

I kid, of course. I actually think it's good that you want to do something. I even like the mockup.

 

[dyre]

Oh, my righteous white knight on a shining steed, do tell me, what steps have you taken against employer abuse of the minimum wage laws? You say that you fight for my freedom...have you founded a grass-roots organization? Have you created a local union? Do you march in the streets against these injustices?

...or do you merely act high-and-mighty on a gaming forum?

I'm pretty much making up this idea as I go along. Confronting me in the beginning stages of my evolving plan to fight back and asking if I've won the war yet is pretty silly. Give me time.

Hmm, fine...I expect a full status report in 48 hours; that's fair, right?

But seriously, before you've lived and struggled in that environment, don't be so quick judge people who've had to deal with the realities of that world for years. It may be that your ideals of freedom and justice can win the day...but before you have a legitimate plan with a decent chance of success, don't criticize others for not believing in your plan.