Do you think Remembrance day is a day that everyone should take part in?
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Oh yeah, that was today. I completely forgot. I knew it was coming up but I forgot it was today.
Wait a moment, you write catchy sales pitches? You're a monster!Vegosiux said:
maybe he just doesn't like the way it is done. the nationalistic overtones, the blind unquestioning worship and all the my-country-tis-of-thee-bullshit.Darkmantle said:
that's why i demand a day to remember all victims of war of all nations and peoples. not some thx-for-saving-us-from-teh-nazis crap.
I think that remembering the horrors of war is a good idea, but I don't think a minutes silence really does anything for that. I am all for better education on the subject, and not glorifying war in general, but how does being quiet for a minute make me personally understand what people went through and why it should not be repeated?Darkmantle said:
A few dollars for a poppy and a few minutes of silence is not much to ask for given what many of these veterans did. I plan on paying this paltry respect for as long as I feel that their actions benefited me, and since if it weren't for those US troops and Filipino guerrillas I'd be living in a Japanese occupied country I am pretty damn grateful, even my lazy ass can spare that much once a year.
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It's not honoring humanity's mistakes, it's remembering them and learning from them so we don't repeat them.
No, what we honor is the men and women who gave their lives for their countries and what they believe in... dying for someone ELSE'S mistakes.
No, what we honor is the men and women who gave their lives for their countries and what they believe in... dying for someone ELSE'S mistakes.
No, I don't believe soldiers deserve to be turned into demi-gods. We remember no other dead in this way (and in so many numerous ways, not just remembrance day), with such ridiculous reverence; Nobody who pushed humanity forward, nobody who saves lives without needing to take any, only our warriors get placed on such a lofty pedestal. Not even within the same category of dead (killed through war) do we respect other people like this, like the civilians or, such as in WW2, the group of people specifically targeted for genocide.
And then society (very specifically British society) has the gall to pressure and bully those who don't buy into their respects? I've seen national Talk shows one-sidedly talking about whether people should have to wear poppies, i've seen people talked down to for not wanting to give to "The legion", I've personally been berated for making a joke about poppies.
Fuck that noise. I am not part of your Warrior race and I've yet to see a non bullshit, non nationalistic, non "Soldiers are different because because" reason for participating or even giving a damn.
And then society (very specifically British society) has the gall to pressure and bully those who don't buy into their respects? I've seen national Talk shows one-sidedly talking about whether people should have to wear poppies, i've seen people talked down to for not wanting to give to "The legion", I've personally been berated for making a joke about poppies.
Fuck that noise. I am not part of your Warrior race and I've yet to see a non bullshit, non nationalistic, non "Soldiers are different because because" reason for participating or even giving a damn.
where are you that remembrance day turns into a gun wank? Every ceremony I've been to has a rather lengthy section about why war is bad etc etc, not to mention the week leading up to remembrance day being filled with all kinds of anti war stuff, especially when I still went to school. No one is glorifying the war, but at least remember the victims of the tragedy with some degree of respect.TheEvilCheese said:
the poppy and silence is symbolic, I KNOW you must have heard that SOMEwhere before coming here, or did you just not bother looking it up.
If you accept the fact that you are a selfish entitled person without so much as a bit of protest, all you do is confirm what everyone thinks of you, so now I know you are what I believed you to be. but if you are okay with that then you are obviously a failure of a person.Vegosiux said:
Sadly I woke up too late to go the kiwi celebration I talked about in another thread.
But on this day I like to think about my ancestors. One of my great great grandfather was a lieutenant in 1st World War, I have a picture of him in uniform and he looks gentlemanly badass. On the other hand I think about the hell he has lived in for four years and my sould gets cruched a little...
Then I think of my great grand fathers who where involved in the 2nd World War. I know it's not the right day but screw that. Most of my great grandfathers were taken prisoner and spent the war in prison in Germany (I'm french so as you can guess it happened at the very beggining of the war) where they were later freed by the russians. (I still have a red army belt buckle as a souvenir) and I also think about a great grandfather who was a cop who quit when asked to hunt jewish people, wich makes him the coolest person of my family in my book.
Anyway, family aside. I like to think about a motto americans have for 9/11, "never forget". Well I like to think of this day as the european "never forget". Never forget the cost of war, not in money, but in lives. Soldiers and civilians. And shall we stop it from happening again for ever.
But on this day I like to think about my ancestors. One of my great great grandfather was a lieutenant in 1st World War, I have a picture of him in uniform and he looks gentlemanly badass. On the other hand I think about the hell he has lived in for four years and my sould gets cruched a little...
Then I think of my great grand fathers who where involved in the 2nd World War. I know it's not the right day but screw that. Most of my great grandfathers were taken prisoner and spent the war in prison in Germany (I'm french so as you can guess it happened at the very beggining of the war) where they were later freed by the russians. (I still have a red army belt buckle as a souvenir) and I also think about a great grandfather who was a cop who quit when asked to hunt jewish people, wich makes him the coolest person of my family in my book.
Anyway, family aside. I like to think about a motto americans have for 9/11, "never forget". Well I like to think of this day as the european "never forget". Never forget the cost of war, not in money, but in lives. Soldiers and civilians. And shall we stop it from happening again for ever.
he is selfish and entitles because he decides to think for himself, do something purposefull and not stick with the program and mindlessly wave the flag and huray the vets like a good drone?Darkmantle said:
really?
don't get me wrong, i like the idea of having a day to remember the victims of war. but unfortunately as it is it has turned into a propaganda-fest of epic proportions and a one sided unquestioning worship of a military with a pretty dark history. i can't undertsand how any thinking person could LIKE that. but hey, whatever rocks your boat..
No-one is saying that war is inherently good, but Remembrance Day and the like are effectively government nationalist propaganda. They are sending the message out to every generation that being in armed forces makes you revered by society and that war is entirely necessary.thaluikhain said:
I have no problem with setting aside days to honour the fallen and remember significant historical moments, but I think the rhetoric should absolutely reflect on how much war and the causes of war are repugnant and how we can create a more peaceful world through means other than violence. I'm not really one to judge whether or not us being involved in wars was worth it or not considering the outcome, and all soldiers deserve some consolation, but I don't think the kind of culture encouraged by the particular way these ceremonies are held should be preserved.
What really annoys me is when people put a Christian spin on these things. Jesus was famous for telling people to love their enemies and turn the other cheek, and most of all for not resisting when he was nailed to a cross. A soldier dying in war to "give his life for his country" is not like Jesus dying on the cross. I want to tell people to not water down their religion with nationalistic cultural values to preserve their nice little conventional lifestyle and/or pander to them to get more people to come to their church.
This.flamingjimmy said:
I don't think enough is said about the civilian casualties or the ones who had to give up their homes. It's like that on the news. A couple of our own soldiers die and you get a lengthy formal speech full of nothing, but when 15000 civilians die, they try to cover it up.
whatever helps you sleep at night buddy. because upwards of 50 million deaths is also beneath you.Vegosiux said:
