Do you think Remembrance day is a day that everyone should take part in?

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Darkmantle

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Mr Thin said:
Darkmantle said:
Vegosiux said:
Darkmantle said:
If you accept the fact that you are a selfish entitled person without so much as a bit of protest, all you do is confirm what everyone thinks of you, so now I know you are what I believed you to be. but if you are okay with that then you are obviously a failure of a person.
Protesting against a person on the internet calling me names because they disagree with my point of view is beneath me.
whatever helps you sleep at night buddy. because upwards of 50 million deaths is also beneath you.
Will you just shut up already?

I don't even agree with the guy, but at least he tried to end things between you respectfully. You're just carrying on like a petulant child.
oh, I apologize for mistaking respect for being incredibly self righteous 8)

respect would be agreeing to disagree

self righteous is when you say that the other person and his arguments are beneath you and not worth responding to. So how about you gain some reading comprehension instead of straddling the thesaurus hm? especially since you just called me a childish child.
 

Mr Thin

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Darkmantle said:
oh, I apologize for mistaking respect for being incredibly self righteous 8)

respect would be agreeing to disagree

self righteous is when you say that the other person and his arguments are beneath you and not worth responding to. So how about you gain some reading comprehension instead of straddling the thesaurus hm? especially since you just called me a childish child.
I've seen plenty of people get insulted for poor spelling, it's not often I see someone insulted for good spelling. I apologise, I'll try to use smaller words in future.

As for respect:

Vegosiux said:
I could if I wanted to, believe me.

And "boycotting" would imply I go out of my way to ignore it, which I don't. I just don't go out of my way to take part. What you think of me, however, is your business.
You see that? That right there is where he tried to end things respectfully. That was a neutral and non-insulting response. It wasn't even inflammatory; he's clearly fine with agreeing to disagree.

Darkmantle said:
If you accept the fact that you are a selfish entitled person without so much as a bit of protest, all you do is confirm what everyone thinks of you, so now I know you are what I believed you to be. but if you are okay with that then you are obviously a failure of a person.
This, on the other hand, is just petty. You managed to fit in not one, not two, but three different Internet Warrior cliches; you claimed that his own argument just proves you are right, you acted like it was impossible to draw any other conclusion than your own, and you had to get the last word.
 

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lRookiel said:
I just had a chat with one of my friends and he thinks that people are idiots for making war happen in the first place, so he's not going to honour Humanity's mistakes.
I think that's kind of up there with people who think being supportive of soldiers serving overseas is being supportive of the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq. But supporting and recognizing the people laying their lives on the line does not mean supporting any war, even if war is occasionally necessary. If anything I feel a bit more respectful for those who served and maybe died or were injured in wars I don't agree with because we owe it to ourselves to make sure people aren't sacrificing themselves in needless wars. It seems your friend is conflating the soldiers fighting the war with the politicians sending them over there, when the soldiers are just men and women doing a job.

That said, I don't begrudge anyone who chooses not to take part in it. Hell, I rarely do anything to really observe it myself, largely because I don't think I need a special day to recognize the sacrifices some people have made for their countries.
 

Project_Xii

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It shouldn't be forced on anyone, no. Otherwise we'll just have another 9/11 situtation. It should be remembered and honoured by those who want to, and those who it directly affected (either through family over the ages, or in this life time). Everyone else can ultimately do as they please.

Vegosiux said:
But you're right, I'm a terrible person; I also eat babies, dismember kitties, and write catchy sales pitches.
You MONSTER!
 

Orange12345

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First of all your friend is an idiot, secondly yes I do think that everyone should take part in remembrance day
 

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Kinguendo said:
Its a time to remember soldiers who fought for a GOOD reason, not just for any reason. Adding Iraq and Afghanistan was a foolish mistake, those wars should be remembered for the innocent people who were murdered by both sides.

But NOOOO, say anything about respecting innocent muslims and idiots shit down your throat this time of year.
QFT.

The reasons don't matter any more. This is not about the reasons. Its about honouring the guys who went through hell and died for those reasons. They did something I could never do*, and if you were honest you would probably admit you couldn't either.


* Grab a gun, go to another country and get shot at/bombed that is.
 

Baby Tea

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lRookiel said:
I just had a chat with one of my friends and he thinks that people are idiots for making war happen in the first place, so he's not going to honour Humanity's mistakes.
As someone who always advocates peace: Your friend is a moronic douchebag.

Let me explain why: Remembrance day isn't celebrating war. It's not celebrating the fact that thousands upon thousands of men and women and civilians have died in war. It's not honouring 'humanity's mistakes'. It's REMEMBERING (Go figure) those who have died in the name of freedom. Who fought against tyranny, who fought for the innocent, and who paid the ultimate sacrifice.

The phrase 'Lest we forget' is used often around this time, and the reason is twofold: So that we never forget those few that laid down their lives for the many. And so that we can work toward a future where such a terrible sacrifice never has to be made again.

I've met a lot of veterans, and none of them enjoyed war. None of them WANT war. ALL of them want peace.

My Grandfather fought for the dutch underground. He hid many many Jews from the Nazis, and helped supply the allied soldiers and other underground movements when they were fighting to get into in Holland. He passed away last year, but he's who I'll be remembering most today.

If you met him, you woulnd't think he could kill a fly, let alone Nazi soldiers.
But he did. Not because he liked war, or killing. But because he knew that something greater was at stake there. He watched his uncle and brother be shot on his front lawn by the Nazis. Watched Jewish neighbours be carried off. He was a man who loved peace, but knew that inaction would not help there.

So he acted, and he's a damn hero to me, and the hundreds of Jewish families he effected, and to the allied solders and underground resistance movements he helped supply. He never wanted a medal, never wanted praise, never wanted anything for it. He did it, because it was the right thing to do.

And people like your friend, who live in this sheltered, protected suburbian bubble, and have no concept or grasp of what these people, past AND present, went/go through, can sit in their lazy-boys and spout ignorant, idiotic rhetoric about 'Not wanting to celebrate humanity's mistakes' BECAUSE men and women like my Grandfather stood up and took the burden for those who couldn't.

If their attitude wasn't so disgusting, the irony would be delicious.

If people don't WANT to celebrate, then you can't make them. And I won't try and force them. But if anyone...ANYONE tells me that it's a celebration of war, or 'humanity's mistakes', then I'll put them in their place. Be apathetic if you want, but leave your ignorance and coffee-shop rhetoric out of my Remembrance Day.
 
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I think everyone should at least take one minute (hell, even 30 seconds even) out of that day just to sit down and observe a moment of silence for all the people that died in war.

It has nothing to do with supporting war. It has everything to do with showing respect for those that died in it.
 

surg3n

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I tend not to wear a poppy, or have a 2 minutes silence, but then I don't need a calendar to remember the sacrifices that people have made.
If it wasn't for WW1, I wouldn't be here, my great grandfather came over to Scotland from Holland during WW1, and stayed after the war to be with my great granny. Without war however, the world would be a very different place, and I'm not talking about the language you speak. So many inventions have been brought about by wartime necessity... for starters the device that your sitting reading this on started out as a code breaking machine.

I don't agree with war, but in terms of the advancement of mankind we need it - it's like the only time we can reach our full potential is when our lives are on the line.
 

Appleshampoo

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Yes, people should show some damn respect for those that fought for the freedoms they have today.

Anyone that says shit along the lines of 'Fuck the war and killing and bad things like that' are just immature kids trying to be 'Edgy' and stand out from the crowd. They need to think about what would happen if everyone felt like they did, and no one stood up to tyranny or oppression. Good luck being an edgy guy when you're dead!
 

Lukeje

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Appleshampoo said:
Yes, people should show some damn respect for those that fought for the freedoms they have today.
I'm pretty sure you're supposed to also be thinking about the people on the other side.
 

Vegosiux

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Appleshampoo said:
Yes, people should show some damn respect for those that fought for the freedoms they have today.
See, I don't have the problem with showing respect. But I got into a scuffle on the last page because I refused to acknowledge the 2-minutes-remembrance-day ritual as the only way to possibly do so.
 

Chris Sutherland

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No.

I take part because I wish peace upon those souls who fought the battles of frightened governments.

However, until recently (a few years ago, that is), I believed that no war should be remembered, as all war is evil and heinous, as all forms of violence are.

I do not feel anger towards anyone who holds that opinion, and similarly, those who do not wish to remember are free to do so, as long as they accept my reasons for remembering.
 

FamoFunk

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It would be nice if everyone could take a very small 2 minutes out of their lives to think of those who died to give us our tomorrow.
 

Pipotchi

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I generally observe the two minutes silence, I dont lose any sleep over those that don't however, to each their own. I'm sure they have their reasons.

I've lived a pretty sheltered life, have no experience of war etc, so who am I to judge why some other people dont wear poppies/observe the silence.
 

everythingbeeps

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Days like that are good for the day off, but don't believe for a second that I even pause to give a single thought to its true purpose. There are no moments of silence or prayers or other gestures from me.
 

Xhu

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Love the warrior, hate the war.

I'm as vehemently opposed to several conflicts, both past and current, as can be, but I nevertheless honour those who fought and fell in them.