Doctor Who Series 6.13: "The Wedding of River Song' [SPOILERS] + Series wrap up

[TimeLord]

I was talking to a friend of mine about series 7, apparently in the Dr Who magazine it has been confirmed for 14 episodes starting in autumn 2012! Autumn! I hope they ditch Amy and Rory too many re-occurring themes cropping up lately for my liking. Ideally a fresh plot with Matt Smith, not relying on any pre-existing Moffat plot lines.

Yeah, it was confirmed a while ago that series 7 would be half in late 2012, half in early 2013. Was news posted in the group [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/The-Escapist-TARDIS-Crew] at the time

 

[TerribleAssassin]

Pretty good, some shit needs clearing up though, like how the Teselecta made regenerative energy, but still, probably my favorite episode of the series :-D

 

[Flamezdudes]

They also burned the teselecta on that boat... would it of survived?

 

[TimeLord]

Pretty good, some shit needs clearing up though, like how the Teselecta made regenerative energy, but still, probably my favorite episode of the series :-D

I assume that since they can change their exterior appearance apparently without limit on extensions it would be simple enough to simulate regeneration energy.. Remember the Teselecta in 'Let's Kill Hitler' made a motorcycle appear literally out of it's arse (more or less).

 

[Rawne1980]

But in series 4, just before River dies, Tennant's Doctor says;

"River, you know my name. You whispered my name in my ear. There's only one reason I would ever tell anyone my name. There's only one time I could?"

Continuity my friend.

In one episode it also shows River as Cleopatra but in that one she states she had a stand off with Cleopatra .... it all hurts the mind.

One minute she knows his name the next he didn't tell her.

They don't seem to have any form of continuity it all changes after a few episodes.

Only River does eventually know the Doctors name, in her first episode she tells 10 his name as proof she's trustworthy.

As I was saying, continuity.

One minute she does know it then he hasn't told her.

It all rests on how it goes from here into the next season and whether we get any explanation at all from points that seem to change every time Moffat eats a cookie.

We "think" River knows his name after watching that episode but nothing shown so far goes on to back to that up.

As I keep saying, there is no continuity. Moffat tried to do far too much and spread the plot far too thin which left a lot of holes.

 

[Jedamethis]

I hope there's a completely fresh start now. No Amy, no Rory, no River. Well, not all the time at least.

 

[imnot]

They also burned the teselecta on that boat... would it of survived?

Its a robot, we don't have to explain shit!

 

[Mark Chipperfield]

The main issue i have been having recently with the series is that the doctor constantly seems to miraculously escape; and because he so often gets out of sticky situations it's making the series become predictable. This is episode I thought was quite interesting but yet again when you think all hope is lost, he comes back out of nowhere to smack all surprise out of you. The way he escaped this time made more sense then other times making the episode decent. I still think they should find different ways to end seasons other then making the doctor almost die.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Awesome. And awesome again.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

Meh, thats all I can say. I was seriously disappointed in this as a season finale, after all the season finales before it, it just seemed like the ending just happened. Nothing truely exciting happened and I really really did not like the ending, they should of kept the question serious and not made it be asked by a fat blue head with a funny voice. This should of been a two parter. All I can say is I really hope next season to not be as disappointing as this one.

 

[FinalDream]

I was talking to a friend of mine about series 7, apparently in the Dr Who magazine it has been confirmed for 14 episodes starting in autumn 2012! Autumn! I hope they ditch Amy and Rory too many re-occurring themes cropping up lately for my liking. Ideally a fresh plot with Matt Smith, not relying on any pre-existing Moffat plot lines.

Yeah, it was confirmed a while ago that series 7 would be half in late 2012, half in early 2013. Was news posted in the group [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/The-Escapist-TARDIS-Crew] at the time

Cool, should have looked for a group!

Well, back to my routine of watching old Doctor Who's!

Or maybe start an RP in the forum?

 

[Paddy the Second]

This series was probably my favourite so far. Mostly because of the episode in the '80s hotel, that setting was invented with me in mind. I would have loved that episode if it was just the Doctor exploring all the rooms.

 

[TimeLord]

But in series 4, just before River dies, Tennant's Doctor says;

"River, you know my name. You whispered my name in my ear. There's only one reason I would ever tell anyone my name. There's only one time I could?"

Continuity my friend.

In one episode it also shows River as Cleopatra but in that one she states she had a stand off with Cleopatra .... it all hurts the mind.

One minute she knows his name the next he didn't tell her.

They don't seem to have any form of continuity it all changes after a few episodes.

You seem to be missing the point of River Song's character. That's the whole idea, since the Doctor doesn't know where and when and in what point in River's time stream she will turn up. That's why she has the diary to keep track of when and where they both are. In River's first episode in series 4, she states that the last time she sees him (before travelling to the Library), the Doctor shows up, cries, and gives her his future sonic so that his past self can save her. Because he knows he will save her because he already had.

You can't complain about continuity and River Song in the same sentence when her character is deliberately fucking with the Doctor's time line!

 

[PureChaos]

Very interesting episode. I think it would have been better as a two-parter. I liked the alternate Earth with all parts of time squashed into one. And we of course haven't seen the last of the Silence!
I did like the Doctor's escape! Made me smile.

Office-trains are cool.

And the question, the most obvious question of all; Doctor Who?
We know it will eventually be answered as River knows the Doctor's name.

Overall, I think I could have done without most of the second half of the series. It was definitely the weakest of the re-boot. However, Matt Smith made up for the poor story choices, and the series finale was excellent!

she doesn't know his name, that's not what he whispered into her ear (unless he told her some other time). not sure if the whole copy doctor small people thing was a bit of a cop out, why does time continue if he didn't actually die when he was supposed to? or even die and then regenerate? or wake up from a dream? or be told the princess is in another castle?

 

[TimeLord]

Very interesting episode. I think it would have been better as a two-parter. I liked the alternate Earth with all parts of time squashed into one. And we of course haven't seen the last of the Silence!
I did like the Doctor's escape! Made me smile.

Office-trains are cool.

And the question, the most obvious question of all; Doctor Who?
We know it will eventually be answered as River knows the Doctor's name.

Overall, I think I could have done without most of the second half of the series. It was definitely the weakest of the re-boot. However, Matt Smith made up for the poor story choices, and the series finale was excellent!

she doesn't know his name, that's not what he whispered into her ear (unless he told her some other time). not sure if the whole copy doctor small people thing was a bit of a cop out, why does time continue if he didn't actually die when he was supposed to? or even die and then regenerate? or wake up from a dream? or be told the princess is in another castle?

In series 4, just before River dies, Tennant's Doctor says;

"River, you know my name. You whispered my name in my ear. There's only one reason I would ever tell anyone my name. There's only one time I could..."

 

[Flamezdudes]

Wait a second, if River refusing to kill the Doctor fucked up time, wouldn't the Doctor being in the teselecta and surviving fuck with it aswell?

 

[Hyperme]

I liked this mostly, but a few things were eh.

Mainly they didn't explain who the Silence were and what they wanted. Moffet!

I want my answers! Cracks and Doctor murder and abduction. Why? At least Davies clean everything up with his borderline Deus Ex Machina stunts.

 

[Rawne1980]

You seem to be missing the point of River Song's character. That's the whole idea, since the Doctor doens't know where and when and in what point in River's time stream she will turn up. That's why she has the diary to keep track of when and where they both are. In River's first episode in series 4, she states that the last time she sees him (before travelling to the Library), the Doctor shows up, cries, and gives her his future sonic so that his past self can save her. Because he knows he will save her because he already had.

River songs character I fully understand.

The writing and how those characters have been bundled along doesn't follow on AT ALL.

So far ye olde Doctor hasn't informed River of his name, of that we can agree on because it hasn't been shown and therefore hasn't happened yet.

Now, if Moffat can follow on with his own plot lines she should find out sometime in the future leading up to *dramatic music* the big question that must never be answered.

However.....

I have zero faith in Moffat being able to follow anything on with any sense of credibility as he hasn't shown to do that so far.

As i've said time and time again .... plot has more holes than a termite farm.

There is no point going by what happened with Tennants Doctor as a lot of that plotline evaporated with Moffat walking down the "lets fit as much as we can into a short series and try and tie it all up and fail miserably in the finale".

 

[TimeLord]

Wait a second, if River refusing the kill the Doctor fucked up time, wouldn't the Doctor being in the teselecta and surviving fuck with it aswell?

No, because the Doctor always survived. He survived in episode 1 in the same way he survived in episode 13. We just didn't know how then, but we do now. Everything that "happened" before he travelled to Utah in episode 13 still happened in his timeline in episode 1, we just didn't know it.

River songs character I fully understand.

The writing and how those characters have been bundled along doesn't follow on AT ALL.

So far ye olde Doctor hasn't informed River of his name, of that we can agree on because it hasn't been shown and therefore hasn't happened yet.

Now, if Moffat can follow on with his own plot lines she should find out sometime in the future leading up to *dramatic music* the big question that must never be answered.

However.....

I have zero faith in Moffat being able to follow anything on with any sense of credibility as he hasn't shown to do that so far.

As i've said time and time again .... plot has more holes than a termite farm.

There is no point going by what happened with Tennants Doctor as a lot of that plotline evaporated with Moffat walking down the "lets fit as much as we can into a short series and try and tie it all up and fail miserably in the finale".

Moffat wrote 'Silence in the Library'/'Forest of the Dead' in Tennant's era, River Song is entirely his creation. I personally don't mind huge over arcing plots. For example, we still don't know who controlled and blew up the TARDIS at the end of series 5. That will carry into series 7 at least. Just because a plot isn't started in episode 1 and finished in episode 13 like RTD era, doesn't make it bad in my opinion. It gives so much space for discussion between series.

 

[PureChaos]

In series 4, just before River dies, Tennant's Doctor says;

"River, you know my name. You whispered my name in my ear. There's only one reason I would ever tell anyone my name. There's only one time I could..."

didn't see that one, not really watched it regularly before this series, just caught the odd episode every now and then. the only time he'd tell someone his name is before he dies, i suppose. maybe River does properly kill him at some point.