Does gaming create social rejects?

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Gooble

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It does to an extent, but if I wasn't gaming since I was pretty young then I could well be, considering the people in our area, one of the knife-wielding hoodies terrorising people.

I'm still aware that going out with people is important, so I try to keep a nice balance between gaming and friends.

Also, with online multiplayer and communication with others, especially in co-op games like TF2, I believe it does help people socially.
 

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Zombie_King said:
I read a study suggesting it didn't, but I don't know where it was from, so I have no reason to believe it. I wasn't a HUGE reject before I got WoW, but once I got hooked on it, it was like a drug. I didn't hang out with my friends, I didn't go out much anymore. So what's your opinion, does excessive gaming create social rejects?
If WoW was your first MMO then that is the reason you felt this way. Many people who had never played an MMO before, when playing WoW, find themselves hooked like it was a drug. Sadly, it isn't the game but the person as someone else said in the thread.

There is a huge misconception that games create problems in people when, really, it is the video game which simply brings it out of them (usually while playing the video game). It gives a way for a person to lose themselves, for a moment there, and act out on how they actually are.
 

Johnn Johnston

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If you conciously choose to play a game over meeting friends or the like, than yes. However, I think it's OK if you play the game multiplayer with friends. Other than that, I agree with Root.
 

wordsmith

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I have to say, copter400 is right imo... Many of my mates play TF2, used to play WoW and I'm constantly getting those "holy shit!" links off youtube over IM. Gaming doesn't stop me from hanging out with my mates though, it actually gives me _more_ time to socialise.

The whole MMO scene just allows another topic of conversation amongst mates (Mwahaha you were playing crap last night/ nice shooting by the way). Obviously there are people who don't game, and I wouldn't DREAM of talking about my "level 12 goblin-slapper" (I use that as a generic term for gaming achievements) to them, as it's not of interest to them.

Mind you, my circle of friends has got to the point where I have no shame in the odd game-related joke/one liner. An example is the traditional "get a life!" "I have four, they're all level 70".
 

Johnn Johnston

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Well put, wordsmith. I've got a few friends that play video games, and yes, I talk about it with them. We show each other funny gaming stuff on youtube, we talk about games and we watch Red vs Blue. However, with my non-gamer friends, I don't talk about games with them.
 

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Only if someone gets the opportunity to hang out with friends and turns it down in favour of WoW or whatever. Then again, the same thing can be said about TV, the internet, books, etc.

Occasionally, one of my friends and I have a few matches of Starcraft. If it weren't for Starcraft, we probably wouldn't do much together. (Nothing to do really, where I live, unless you can get together a big enough group of people to play basketball/soccer on the court/field nearby.)
 

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Then again, the same thing can be said about TV, the internet, books, etc.
Ahhh but when someone is reading a book that they're interested in, do the parents/community/national media start screaming "this child is a social reject!"? No. The community thinks "aww, he's being educational, leave him to enjoy his book". What teaches tactics better than planning a raid? What teaches teamwork better than a sycronised attack on multiplayer FPS game? books? I think not...

/rant
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Wrong way round. Social rejects create excessive gaming because that's the only way they have of socialising.

A better phrase to use would be "rejected by society" though.

Let's see, play on a game with hundreds of different nationalities testing your wits against others or hang round with your clique repeating insular peer pressure ideals

Hrrmmmm.
I agree with the first part of this statement, but the second part is a bit reductive.

Playing online is all well and good, but let's face it, being with your friends at a party with a sexy girl you've never met before is a totally different experience than playing online with your buddies. I would just argue you make time for both experiences because they're both great.
 

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That old sterotype probobly came out when games were still 2d pixelated thangs that no one really understood, and few people had time to get to understand "you know, wich out the save files, and what not, to have actaully mastered through a whole game probobly required a lot more time to master or complete"

Now adays, I say it CAN be be the oppisite. It's still pretty damned unhealthy to get addicted "lets face it, thats true for anything" but with the introduction of online gaming and multiplayer, I think its safe to say things have changed.
 

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Curious, on what level do people you interact with on a regular basis online not count as real? So, for one, everything present in a face to face conversation is stripped away, and for good or bad all that's left is a free interchange of words and ideas. You can only be judged by what you type, and granted, many people probably will exaggerate, a lot, but would that be any more so than meeting someone on the street, or in a bar or restaurant?
When you post on a forum, or chat room, do you not have the time to think about what you want to type? There's no awkwardness about typing things that you actually feel, that maybe are things you can't put verbally in conversation are easier to type.

If you are all at once 'friends' with someone online, and feel comfortable talking openly about your hobbies, interests and etc. Are they less a friend if you've never met them outside the internet?

As for gaming, are they inherently worthless because nothing is really permanent, or rather, all data on a server somewhere. So winning a game of chess against someone is just automatically better because you were sitting right there with them? To take that further, is the win any less if you played the game of chess online?

Then again, the same thing can be said about TV, the internet, books, etc.
Ahhh but when someone is reading a book that they're interested in, do the parents/community/national media start screaming "this child is a social reject!"? No. The community thinks "aww, he's being educational, leave him to enjoy his book". What teaches tactics better than planning a raid? What teaches teamwork better than a sycronised attack on multiplayer FPS game? books? I think not...

/rant
Just so, actually, there was a point in history when reading -was- considered just that, but time passes and now it's gaming's turn and that of the internet.
 

EmperorDude

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Nope it's just that friendless losers (such as my self) chose to hide in a virtual world all day.
 

Melaisis

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I definitely think it can, y'know. Especially if said rejects begin to believe what inflates their e-peen will also be good for real-life conversation. Well, 'bragging' more than conversation. Its all very well to scream with happiness the first time you downed Onyxia, or came top of a gungame; but it doesn't make for very interesting talk around the water cooler, even if your colleagues play the same games as you.
 

GothmogII

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Melaisis said:
I definitely think it can, y'know. Especially if said rejects begin to believe what inflates their e-peen will also be good for real-life conversation. Well, 'bragging' more than conversation. Its all very well to scream with happiness the first time you downed Onyxia, or came top of a gungame; but it doesn't make for very interesting talk around the water cooler, even if your colleagues play the same games as you.
Again, what makes that kind of conversation any different from say as an example, 'bragging' about winning a soccer match or something? Granted one activity is more physical than the other, but neither conversation would be of any interest if the listeners either had no interest to begin with or didn't know enough to know what the hell was being talked about to care.

And, if a group of people who play soccer can stand around discussing it, and enjoy said conversation. Why can not a group of people who play videogames do the same? Or, why should it be any different than standing around talking about anything really?
Though of course, you didn't actually say that, of course even if as person and their friends play the same games, this does not necessitate that they'll find enjoyment from talking about it. But, that goes for -anything- not just gaming.
 

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Gaming can make it worse, definitely. I don't think that, as a direct result of video-gaming an ordinary, 'normal' person can just become a socially-maladjusted recluse overnight, however, it is more to do with the person themselves. You can't communicate on the same level over a computer, regardless, and as a result of this an over-enthusiastic user can become less skilled in 'real' social situations. However, a person would have to put themselves into that situation to begin with, and this rarely occurs if a person does not solicit, or at least permit it to happen.
 

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It's just your personal situation.

I ,personally, play games alot more because well many of my friends I just find fucking annoying and have no need to hang out with them a ton anymore. They all live 30 mins away and all my friends nearby are hooked on actual drugs and drinking so I stay away from them. Hell my former best friend is going into the marines.

Another reason is the fact I have a bone disease and was banned form playing many sports even though I really wanted too. I love sports but that was taken away from me so i turned to the next form of competitive competition. I still stay in shape and have a summer job groundskeeping(I am in college) but for the most part I don't go out during the night because I dislike drinking and stuff of that nature. I have tried it though, 12 shots in 2 hours.....never again.

Its all your personal story. You shape who you are. Not light on a screen.
 

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GothmogII said:
Again, what makes that kind of conversation any different from say as an example, 'bragging' about winning a soccer match or something?
in the MMO convo, you're bragging about _your_ skills. In bragging about a soccer match, it's a bunch of guys who don't know you. And that's coming from an avid LFC fan :p
 

zacaron

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it sort of does I play wow and i got hooked on it and then some of my other friends got hooked on it and before you know it i am playing WOW with a whole bunch of people that i know and are now my friends.

but on the other hand the other people who dont play think we are weard because were not big on sports and things like that.
 

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I'm 16 and I had (and apparently still have) clinical depression. Part of the reason I think I developed it was pretending to be someone I'm not when with my so-called 'friends', which I haven't seen in a long time now. I'm interested in things like reading, history and of course video games, and prentending to be a 'townie' all the time at school to be accepted seems to have seriously messed up my head.

I have no one to blame but myself, but I only blame myself for not sticking with my real friends which I ditched in favour of trying to be 'cool' and popular.

Sexual Harassment Panda has a good point also. Most serious interests or hobbies (except sport for some reason) aren't socially excepted by the majority of people. Which is pretty sad really.