Double Amputee Killed by Houston Police Officer
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I'm not saying it justifies the killing of the wheelchair mental patient, but the officer who shot him had an experience before where "in October 2009, he shot and killed a knife-wielding man who stabbed his girlfriend and a neighbor, according to published reports at the time." When something like that happens, an officer might be more likely to use lethal force if he believes it is necessary. It is understandable why he did it, but not necessarily justified.ToastiestZombie said:
It's possible that there could have been ways to resolve it without lethal force, but I'm working with limited information. I can't say with any certainty that the situation would have ended in any better way.
Edit: Also the article didn't say the officers "shouted" him; it said they gave him "verbal commands" which is really ambiguous and may include shouting, but it's not a definite fact that the police officers shouted at him to stop. You're just assuming that the officers shouted at him even though that may not be the case at all, especially if they knew before hand they were dealing with a mental patient.
I'm pretty sure someone can't die, or even get seriously injured by getting stabbed by a pen, even if it was really, REALLY hard. Sure, it'll hurt like shit. But saying that using lethal force against that is like saying using lethal force against someone kicking someone in the balls is alright. A pen won't kill anyone when used as a weapon, therefore he really isn't armed. And do you really think that they would let people in a mental hospital have easy access to knives and guns? Simple logic can tell you that they don't, because that's just stupid.Buretsu said:
Strawman much?
I'm pretty sure any fit, two-legged person could get to someone's wheelchair and grab hold of the handles before they turn around and stab them. We're not talking about an incredibly fast guy with all his limbs here, getting behind someone in a wheelchair especially when they're pre-occupied with someone else would be very easy, and it should be for a trained bloody policeman. Also, if the wheelchair had its brakes on then how was the guy in the wheelchair coming towards the police officer? I'm pretty sure a bipolar schizophrenic in a terrible rage would think "Oh, they might try to move me away! Better put the brakes on!" before assaulting a police officer. Again, simple logic.
Come on, really? First, you really think a pen is tough enough to pierce skin and pierce an artery, especially when it's put in by a guy with only one bloody arm!? And you really think that a man in a blind rage, who most likely knows very little about human anatomy and even more likely wouldn't have thought about it at that heated moment would know that fact?Buretsu said:
ToastiestZombie said:
If it's an appropriate situation, I'm not risking getting shot by a pen. I'd just comply with the attacker. Or respond if I was a police officer.
Nobody is ever supposed to aim for the head except in videogames.GunsmithKitten said:
Never hit to incapacitate. By hitting a leg you can just break the perp's bone and shred his arteries. Not only it probably kill the perp, but it will also be a harder target to hit than center mass.TopazFusion said:
Also, you're only supposed to shoot when fear of your life or others'. If you aim at the legs, you are basically admitting that it was not an emergency and that using a gun was not the appropriate action.
Hint: concealed carry is supposed to protect you from criminals, not police.Blablahb said:
If he had passed the concealed carry requirements, it would mean that he was sane and had no record. i.e. not the kind of people that escalate situations.
Well, shooting people in the legs is a usefull option for stoping their advance on you, without killing them, or at least with lesser risk, the legs has some major artieries.
Guess it must've been confusing when that wasn't an option.
Guess it must've been confusing when that wasn't an option.
Wanna make a deal? first one who gets to hell secures PCs/Consoles for the others?Andy Shandy said:SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Don't worry I'll be joining you.
Also how could two police officers not manage to disarm a double amputee? Something is afoot!
You really had to put that last bit in? I just crossed my legs so hard I nearly became a double amputee myselfrhizhim said:
But still, he's in a mental ward. I really highly doubt he knows where to stab someone with a pen to make sure they die, or even get seriously injured. It was most likely a last ditch attempt at being threatening.
Seriously? That would have been a PR disaster! They'd look totally prejudiced against disabled people. All those folk want is to be treated like normal human beings. No, I think the cops made the right call in sticking to their standard operating procedure of killing anything that moves in their general direction.Shuguard said:
Dude, texas.Daystar Clarion said:
Guy in a wheelchair in texas.
If they didn't have the "Self Defence" excuse, someone would have shot him at some point for being Mentally and physically disabled. Because that's pretty much what they do in Texas.
But still, getting stabbed really anywhere but that certain point you've been talking about with a pen will just really hurt, not kill or injure you seriously. I can also assume the officers were wearing clothes, which would also protect them from a pen. Really, you could kill anyone with anything, that doesn't mean they're weapons. A knife is a weapon, a pen is not. It's entirely possible to kill someone with a mug, but you wouldn't fear for your life if someone came at you with a cup.rhizhim said:yes, but getting stabbed with anything anywhere is really not desirable.ToastiestZombie said:You really had to put that last bit in? I just crossed my legs so hard I nearly became a double amputee myselfrhizhim said:
But still, he's in a mental ward. I really highly doubt he knows where to stab someone with a pen to make sure they die, or even get seriously injured. It was most likely a last ditch attempt at being threatening.
they could have used the mace or the tasers....
well, i really hope they dont find a copy of metal gear solid 3 in the mental ward or else he could have learned all those CQC skillz from teh EVIL VIDEOGAMES!