Leg End said:
STP is probably going to suck like all hell, but at least Terminator seems to be bringing at least some interesting ideas to the table. Might just be me though.
Maybe not.
At the very least, it does have the potential for an interesting dynamic between Sarah and Dani, as Sarah comments that "I was once her [Dani]" (or words to that effect). Like, Sarah used to be the target, now she gets to see another young girl being hunted from the outside looking in.
I also have a suspicion that John's either dead or will die, and they'll be fostering some kind of mother-daughter relationship.
trunkage said:
In Orville, the federation (I can't remember their actual name)
The Union.
Cripes, I've barely seen any of the Orville and even I know that.
Gordon_4 said:
Otherwise it looks alright, but only a viewing will decide if its a worthy addition to the canon.
Seriously, what even IS Terminator canon anymore? You can basically take your pick of absolutely any form of media in the franchise and form your own timeline from it.
stroopwafel said:
No, I liked Salvation except for two things: it was not the 'future war' teased in the openings of T1 and T2 and I think the ending they went with was weak compared to the one they had planned.
I liked Salvation as well (granted, I've liked every Terminator movie bar T3, so go figure). That said, biggest problem with Salvation for me is that it's more Marcus's story than John's. Which isn't bad in of itself, but even casting aside the route John will take, it's a strange move, even if I like (the idea of) Marcus as a character.
But as for those points, I'll say this. The future war thing is excusable for me because not only does John comment that the course of the war is different from what his mother told him, but Salvation takes place in 2018, whereas every T1/2 future war scene took place in the 2020s. So in that sense, I can get why Salvation opts out from the plasma guns and whatnot.
But if you're referring the original ending of John dying and Marcus wearing his skin...no. Just no. I really hate this idea, the idea that John is interchangeable. Like, from a Doylist perspective, you could make an argument that anyone could become leader of the Resistance, but in the context of the series itself, John's treated as a semi-messiah, who has to struggle with the destiny that (supposedly) awaits him. If you want to subvert that, at least do it intelligently. Don't have some creepy pasta thing of Marcus wearing John's skin. I should also note that Marcus isn't charismatic at all, whereas in-universe, John is.
There's also the fact that tossing aside John's role as future leader has been only done twice to my knowledge, once in SCC (and done poorly), and once in a comic where Sarah ends up giving birth to "Jane Connor," and even in that timeline, I don't think it was suggested that "Jane" would have a different path than John at the end of the day.
Zetatrain said:
Personally I think final frontier is the least bad of the three because unlike the the other two it doesn't really have any effect on the series as a whole (its events are pretty much never brought up again).
Y'know, going through Discovery, I'm still waiting for Spock to mention Sybok, or even him to show up. Like, what, Spock has to cover up the very fact that Michael even existed, but poor Sybok is shafted to "you never asked me if I had a half brother?"
Generations and Nemisis both haphazardly killed off iconic characters as well as the Enterprise D. For me Generations is probably the worst because it was at best boring where as Nemesis at least had some entertaining fights.
I disagree that Data's death is haphazard TBH. You could argue it's poorly done, but it has some gravitas to it, or at the very least, is trying to have gravitas.
Kirk's death is...sheesh, I don't even know. There's a YouTuber named Lorerunner (originally Archengeia) who made a good argument that Generations should never have had Kirk in it beyond the entry, that he should have actually died on the ship, but reference his legacy to Guinan (who was there) and Picard (looking back on a former captain). As in, have the question of generations and legacy be a theme, not so much the "time is the fire in which we burn, because ooh, spooky" be a...whatever the heck that was.
Also the emotions chip sub-plot. Bleh. Say what you want about Data's death in Nemesis, he at least had dignity in the film.
