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xaszatm

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Jiffex said:
Could someone explain...
[spoiler/] How they got to Gallifrey? I thought it was stuck in something that's like a pot noodle, except not really like that at all?[/spoiler]
Xeorm said:
Jiffex said:
Could someone explain...
[spoiler/] How they got to Gallifrey? I thought it was stuck in something that's like a pot noodle, except not really like that at all?[/spoiler]
[spoiler/]Let us know when you find out. It's a great example of why this season is so bad so far. It's going everywhere, and further establishes Clara as some wonder child. It's annoying. [/spoiler]
The Twelve Doctor says that he has turned off all safeties on the TARDIS. This is how he goes to the end of the universe in the first place as that's not somewhere the TARDIS is supposed to go. As such, as all safeties are off, it shouldn't be a surprise that they ended up where they ended up.

That didn't even need to break cannon. I don't like Stehpen as much either put this is really pushing it.
 

Netrigan

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xaszatm said:
Jiffex said:
Could someone explain...
[spoiler/] How they got to Gallifrey? I thought it was stuck in something that's like a pot noodle, except not really like that at all?[/spoiler]
Xeorm said:
Jiffex said:
Could someone explain...
[spoiler/] How they got to Gallifrey? I thought it was stuck in something that's like a pot noodle, except not really like that at all?[/spoiler]
[spoiler/]Let us know when you find out. It's a great example of why this season is so bad so far. It's going everywhere, and further establishes Clara as some wonder child. It's annoying. [/spoiler]
The Twelve Doctor says that he has turned off all safeties on the TARDIS. This is how he goes to the end of the universe in the first place as that's not somewhere the TARDIS is supposed to go. As such, as all safeties are off, it shouldn't be a surprise that they ended up where they ended up.

That didn't even need to break cannon. I don't like Stehpen as much either put this is really pushing it.
Moffat has been slowly unraveling some of the bigger changes Davies introduced for short-term drama.

All things considered, I prefer them going back to the pre-Davies stuff. Dalek Empire on the loose rather than being resurrected and killed every appearance, classic Cybermen on the loose, The Doctor as the killer of his people undone, and a few other bits and bobs. All that stuff ran its course some time ago and its time to get back to normal.
 

Albino Boo

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Netrigan said:
xaszatm said:
Jiffex said:
Could someone explain...
[spoiler/] How they got to Gallifrey? I thought it was stuck in something that's like a pot noodle, except not really like that at all?[/spoiler]
Xeorm said:
Jiffex said:
Could someone explain...
[spoiler/] How they got to Gallifrey? I thought it was stuck in something that's like a pot noodle, except not really like that at all?[/spoiler]
[spoiler/]Let us know when you find out. It's a great example of why this season is so bad so far. It's going everywhere, and further establishes Clara as some wonder child. It's annoying. [/spoiler]
The Twelve Doctor says that he has turned off all safeties on the TARDIS. This is how he goes to the end of the universe in the first place as that's not somewhere the TARDIS is supposed to go. As such, as all safeties are off, it shouldn't be a surprise that they ended up where they ended up.

That didn't even need to break cannon. I don't like Stehpen as much either put this is really pushing it.
Moffat has been slowly unraveling some of the bigger changes Davies introduced for short-term drama.

All things considered, I prefer them going back to the pre-Davies stuff. Dalek Empire on the loose rather than being resurrected and killed every appearance, classic Cybermen on the loose, The Doctor as the killer of his people undone, and a few other bits and bobs. All that stuff ran its course some time ago and its time to get back to normal.



Moffat actually wanted to reboot Who but the BBC bosses, I think rightly, wouldn't let him. Davis EMO Dr was from the prevailing winds of US sci fi and was in part an audition piece for US TV, as can been seen with the Torchwood series. Nothing wrong with building your career, US tv pays significantly more. This however pushed Davis's interpretation of the Dr in certain directions, the old Dr was held in check by the Timelords. There was only so much he could get away with without being pulled up by the Timelords. They added a not necessarily hostile limit in what the Dr could do. I can't do that or I will end spending the next 7 years in gravel pit just outside Reading. As you say its time to get back to the older interpretations that worked very well for 25 years
 

Sonic Doctor

Time Lord / Whack-A-Newbie!
Jan 9, 2010
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It's been awhile since I posted on this site, but I just watched the episode and I needed somewhere to talk about it.

As a I watched the episode, my thoughts played out like this:

Interesting, interesting, getting awesome, getting terrifying, terrifying.......and Moffat you bastard. The ending was totally out of left field and uncalled for. Yeah, cute, The Doctor as a boy. But then making Clara part of his memory, she was the hand in grabbing his leg in his version of the "dream". Kind of interesting that it was the barn that the War Doctor ended up at, but this was not an episode for such at thing.

The whole, "It was nothing, all in your head," that was bullshit. It's like two scripts were written, one about the whole scary concept "that we are never alone" with the bed monster and all that, and the other script about Clara mucking around in the Doctor's history again, but then both scripts fell out of their folders and the ending of the second script accidentally got put in place of the proper ending for the first script, because the papers of the script got mixed up.

In my mind, there is no resolution to this episode. The beginning and middle part was a scary and awesome episode, but then there was no punch at end. Saying, "It was nothing," is crap. You don't show the things like, chalk moved, and the word "listen" written on the board, thing appearing out of nowhere onto the bed under the covers(moving about menacingly), and creature/being sounds at the end of the universe and the door opening by itself, then all of a sudden you say, "It was nothing." That is bad writing. If those things really turn out to be nothing, with no resolve this series, then really, Moffat needs to step down.

I seriously thought he had changed for the better as Series 7 started to pick up and the focus was finally back where it should have been on the Doctor. Clara had her bits but it was properly kept back as a side story bit. Considering how little focus there was on the Doctor this episode, and it was Clara, Clara, Clara, and her relationship with the Pink guy, it looks to me that Moffat is back into his swing he was all on about when he was big into making Doctor Who about, Amy and Rory this, Amy and Rory that.

It's starting to be a pattern, and now that I think about it, it can be seen all the way back in Moffat's Blink story back in Series 3 with the Sally Sparrow and Nightingale's brother in a sense becoming a couple in the end. If you think about it, other than the DVD Easter egg bits that the two watched during the episode, it was a Doctor light episode, with him only truly appearing in person in the 1969 bit, and the end.

I can see the dangerous pattern now. Moffat really only wants to write stories about couples, and really doesn't care for writing about the Doctor. I just thought of that Blink realization, it actually quite depressingly fascinating.
We also have his pattern of the girl companion overshadowing the Doctor's story and becoming stupidly important. Special Amy, the girl that wished the universe back into existence, and impossibly gave birth to a Time Lord, because TARDIS(derp). Then we have Clara, the Impossible girl, which that story bit was fine, because it basically played itself out in the background of stories until it got resolved, but now with the ending of Listen, Moffat is bringing that story right onto front stage and beating the dead horse some more. The whole thing with Clara effecting his past part, should have ended with the whole jumping into the time stream stuff. Leave it be Moffat, the show is about the Doctor, not the companions, companions should stay as background side stories. They tag along with the Doctor and experience his stories.

This is actually getting depressing, if Moffat continues with the Non-Doctor focus being right up front, like with Series 5 and Series 6, I'm going to end up not watching it until I come back to get caught up, because I end up having hopes he might get right how the show should be run, in the next series. Series 7 was a clear showing that he can do it, but with the way series 8 is going, it looks like Moffat is having a horrible relapse.

Really, are we going to have to put him back into bad writing rehab again? Tell the truth Moffat, have you been falling back on your horrible go to writing and focus points again? I know you have, so come on, back to rehab at the "This is how Doctor Who is properly done" clinic, "Where bad Doctor Who writers go to get clean of putting side plot points ahead of the main plot, and they learn to keep side characters in their place as side characters." We've set you straight once Moffat, do we have to do it again?
 

Lilani

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I enjoyed it more than any episode for a while. The other episodes I watched with the goal of figuring out who Capaldi's Doctor is and critiquing his persona and Clara's new dynamic with him. This episode really drew me in and made me forget all that, and I enjoyed everything raw and in the moment.

And I'm rather glad the monster turned out to be nothing...perhaps. I'm not sure if at the end even Clara was convinced there was actually nothing there. Her grabbing his ankle only explains HIS dream, not anything else that happened in the episode. But it was a perfect chance for her to get the Doctor to stop flirting with peril just to satisfy his curiosity. The Doctor doesn't need to know every mystery in the universe, and nor should he.

Capaldi's Doctor is much more raw and less concerned about self-preservation. I'd say he's more of a thrill seeker than Tennant, Smith, or Eccleston ever were. His only hangup seems to be keeping Clara safe, and now she's proving to be the only hangup to keep him from jumping off a cliff just to see what happens when he hits bottom. I really like this so far, definitely my favorite episode from Moffat in a long time, and definitely the scariest since Silence in the Library.
 

Encurtidos

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It was a great episode compared to those of the late. Does anyone notice that all the people the doctor meets are reflections of himself?