Dragon Age 2 Lead Writer Blasts Homophobic Fan

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RobCoxxy

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Eico said:
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How dare Bioware accept homosexuality?
As a straight male, I demand Garrett Hawke to be swimming in poon-tang, not occassionally flirted with by other men! tsk.
As a gay woman I am distraught that my character was hit on by... by... men! It's disgusting! Stupid developers.
They have catered for nobody by allowing any relationship to happen at all! Terrible game design.

What more can I say other than ignorance clearly doesn't bring bliss. Just other things to whinge about.
 

Shamanic Rhythm

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Two things:

One: To all the people who are complaining about Anders "Why isn't there a way to say no and get friendship points." Give me an example of a 'letting them down gently' line that actually works IRL, and doesn't make the person feel rejected and pissed at you.

Two: Who honestly gets so invested in their e-sex options for a videogame that they feel the need to complain about it on a forum?
1: It's the fact that you have to go through it with him. With all other companions romance dialogue is a side option, with Anders you have to go through it. I would much prefer to not get involved at all than try to "let him down easy". (Don't want to be a dick either)

2: Who is so invested in complaining that he needs to go to a complaint forum to complain about other people complaining? lol
1. Do you also complain about Isabella? As I recall, she flirts with you during the first conversation you have.

2. Not complaining, merely observing.
 

FableBlaze

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Whoa... i didn't know that, if a man is straight and does not like gey men hiting on him, then he is homophobic.
 

Xaositect

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Personally I thought the Dragon Age 2 romances were a lazy pile of shit.

Its great that they are all inclusive. It sucks that with that all inclusiveness comes the genericness of the "one size fits all" nature.

Instead of being so fucking lazy, why couldnt they write more singular romances. Why cant romancing bi, gay or straight characters be a uniquely written experience?

Personally, Im more of the mind that the romances in DA2 followed the same mentality of the dungeons, where they took one romance for each other the characters and just copy and pasted it for everyone. I feel better knowing characters are written with real direction.

But, I get they had to make it easy for the slash fanboys and girls.
 

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Whoa... i didn't know that, if a man is straight and does not like gey men hiting on him, then he is homophobic.
It's ok to be a bit uncomfortable but this isn't someone hitting on you, this is someone hitting on the character you play in a video game. Plus if you don't like it just say no, it's not like they force you to watch gay porn in every cutscene.

Anyway I love my broken elf hottie with magic tattooes, don't care what anyone else thinks! :p

Xaositect said:
Instead of being so fucking lazy, why couldnt they write more singular romances. Why cant romancing bi, gay or straight characters be a uniquely written experience?
Because you might get someone who wants a homosexual relationship with a straight character or a heterosexual one with a gay character, the easiest solution to that is to just make all the characters available to everyone.
 

Gemma Hentsch

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Here's a really good response to the story, talking about the prevelant situation, and how remarkable Bioware are in standing up for LGBTQIA rights.

Sadly more companies are not this forward thinking because they do focus on the straight male gamer.

I'm a lesbian but I don't mind if guys hit on me provided they are not pushy about it (and realize lesbian means not waiting for the right guy), if people are so insecure that they freak out in a virtual world, what happens if they are hit on in real life.....

http://www.nomorelost.org/2011/03/25/straight-male-gamer-told-to-get-over-it-by-bioware/
 

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To the "disgruntled straight male Bioware fan": Stop projecting yourself as Hawke, you are not Hawke and he isn't you, you're the puppet master behind Hawke, you shouldn't feel any less secure about your sexuality if Hawke receives flirtatious invitations from ANY character... unless you just happen to be TRULY insecure on which gender you get erections for and/or feel a necessity to become a fictitious character rather then control one.
 

Shirokurou

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I think Angry Joe put it best in his review and little skit.
http://angryjoeshow.com/2011/03/dragon-age-ii-angry-review/

Why is the game such a sausage-fest?
 

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The Gentleman said:
Because apparently "straight, male gamers" are not pandered to enough in games?

This guy knows Duke Nukem Forever is coming out this year, right?
Are you sure of that?
 

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Sapient Pearwood said:
Because you might get someone who wants a homosexual relationship with a straight character or a heterosexual one with a gay character, the easiest solution to that is to just make all the characters available to everyone.
Which fucking ruins the characters, which is my entire point.

They couldnt, oh I dont know, be realistic and have attractions that go unreturned?

Screw homophobia, personally if I was bisexual I would be offended as the lazy nature of the characters make them seem like everyones "go between" instead of a legimate sexuality.

What is the fucking problem of saying "no, you cant romance them, tough shit".

One of only two characters I liked in ME2 was Samara. On a different save I would have romanced her, but she steadfastly wants to avoid intimate relationships. I respected the character for it.

Like I said, I think "one size fits all copy n paste romances" are cheap, lazy and dont deserve to be praised. I think Bioware writers should concentrate more on the romance being central to the character rather than a quick ride for any and all players. Thats what video game romances USED to be about (even if they were unfairly biased in favour of straight male gamers originally). Now its a cheap romance thats "open to everyone".
 

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Xaositect said:
Sapient Pearwood said:
Because you might get someone who wants a homosexual relationship with a straight character or a heterosexual one with a gay character, the easiest solution to that is to just make all the characters available to everyone.
Which fucking ruins the characters, which is my entire point.

They couldnt, oh I dont know, be realistic and have attractions that go unreturned?

Screw homophobia, personally if I was bisexual I would be offended as the lazy nature of the characters make them seem like everyones "go between" instead of a legimate sexuality.

What is the fucking problem of saying "no, you cant romance them, tough shit".

One of only two characters I liked in ME2 was Samara. On a different save I would have romanced her, but she steadfastly wants to avoid intimate relationships. I respected the character for it.

Like I said, I think "one size fits all copy n paste romances" are cheap, lazy and dont deserve to be praised. I think Bioware writers should concentrate more on the romance being central to the character rather than a quick ride for any and all players. Thats what video game romances USED to be about (even if they were unfairly biased in favour of straight male gamers originally). Now its a cheap romance thats "open to everyone".
While a large part of me actually agrees with you, Bioware has been under a relentless assault of people on their forums saying that all romance interests should be bi-sexual because otherwise it's not fair.

Honestly, Bioware can't win.
 

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JeanLuc761 said:
While a large part of me actually agrees with you, Bioware has been under a relentless assault of people on their forums saying that all romance interests should be bi-sexual because otherwise it's not fair.

Honestly, Bioware can't win.
I understand your point, but I doubt its as one sided as that, and if Bioware caved in because of that then they only deserved to be criticised harder.

Sometimes a bi character works. I think Liara being bi in ME1 fit perfectly with her character and the nature of much of her species. Somes totally gay, lesbian or straight characters work.

The idea that "they all have to be bi to please everyone" is as offensive to me as the old days where it was mainly just about appealing to straight male gamers. I think its limiting, stupid and not good writing at all.
 

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How the hell is the guy "homophobic"? That's just unnecessarily inflammatory, and from what I've read of the posts he's at least trying to give out his opinion in a coherent, inoffensive manner. It's not like he's bashing gays, or going "Dude, so friggin' gay! Let me bone more chicks!"

I don't agree with what he's saying, don't get me wrong, it's just that I find this article pretty hostile to someone who really was expressing a simple opinion in a non-derogatory manner. Some of his opinions could be seen as bigoted, but I just don't see it. Could someone explain to me how this comes off as homophobic? I really do want to know, because I just don't see it.
Seriously? The guy is so perturbed by male characters flirting with him that he wants a "No Gays" option in the menu, and you don't see that as just a little homophobic?
Certain aspects of his post, sure, but I just see it as a guy giving off his possibly-bigoted opinion. I dunno, if there was a way to show that I'm giving a "I dunno" shrug over the internet, I'd show that. I don't agree with anything he's saying, don't get me wrong here. Maybe my reading comprehension is low since I've been sick for a while, but whatever.
 

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Eruanno said:
Wait, so everyone having the same amount of possible partners, regardless of sexual orientation is bad...? What... I don't even...

Also:
- If you feel "uncomfortable" getting hit on by a particular character, you do realize you can just push the "no, thank you"-button?
- Are we assuming that everyone who plays a video game plays as the exact same person they are in real life? I'm a heterosexual man IRL, and I played DA2 as a female Hawke that romanced Isabella. For my next playthrough, I will probably pick a different Hawke that romances someone else. I see no reason why I should be stuck playing a whose sexual preferences correspond to my real-life self. Who knows, I might play a male Hawke that romances Anders and Fenris. Shock and awe!
Same actually. Although would you break the last taboo...play as an asexual Hawke??
 

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The romances in DA an ME are just infantile stupidity, whether they are straight, gay, or group humping! We may as well have some hot XXX Krogen vs Krogen humping! Indeed why dont we! Not to mention solo adventures with males and females doing strange things with 15" laser 'probes'! Don't we have 'The Sims' for that kind of crap! For that matter don't we have BARS in the real world for that when it gets down to it! I mean games have plenty of stimulated killing, but no one wants or needs to do that in reality. Sex and relationship is actually legal and viable, and GOOD! Why put it in a game? That's what internet porn is for, no? By making 'romance' possible, what can happen except have your character try to mate with everything that moves in the game. It was a stupid idea. It is a stupid idea, but hey we are talking about it, so it probably helps sell games.... SIGH.... Don't worry homophobes, just cos all the NPC's in your favorite games are bi-sexual doesn't mean you need to feel any pressure to 'join the club!' It's a sick world we live in.
So would you get rid of romance in all books, movies and arts? At least its not as shallow as just sex in DA2, I was super shocked when I had to go through actual pillow talk with Merrill, and actually choose to commit to her or not! That was as exciting as the final boss.
 

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Crystalite said:
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GenericPCUser said:
I find it a little ironic that Dragon Age takes place in a medieval time frame (a time where homosexuality is punishable by death) but it seems all the guys love Hawke and it doesn't matter.
Somebody already covered this, but... DRAGONS!!! :eek:
But you do have to admit, being a dragon is also kind of punishable by death. In medieval times as well as in every videogame known to man.

Also, just to nitpick: If you are a hunted apostate, I really don´t think you have to worry about wether homosexuality is acceptable... ;-)
Haha, that reminds me of the Anders quest that is so obviously a rip on the Holocaust. "We need people who are willing to openly stand by mages, and help put an end to this 'Tranquil Solution to the Mage Problem." or something to that extent.

Is it bad if that made me laugh more than anything else in the game.
 

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They should have introduced some characters as straight, some as bi and some as gay. It is more realistic than turning all the romance-companions into bi characters. They should have approached this sexuality issue in more creative manner, where the sexuality is part of the personality. For example, Merrill is straight and Isabela is bi.
I haven't read through 12 pages of posts, but if I agree with anyone it's this, and I'm surprised not that many more people are of the same sentiment.

If it's sensitivity, awareness, political correctness or whatever it is, then it's fair to mimic REAL LIFE right, so that there is a presence of all orientations, bi, homo, and hetero. Not having your WHOLE PARTY bi and hitting on you, what does that say about the development of each character? It actually makes them shallow as shit! Either have them one orientation, and stay that way. Even the bi metro Elf in DA:O had a very interesting angle to himself, explaining how he was a "wild card gambler who liked it both ways" (quoting living color), and this was a part of his reckless, no-consequence personality, (NOT insinuating that's how bi people are, but it had something to do with why he was bi). And I found him quite 3 dimensional. I would have no problems with strictly gay/lesbian characters either.
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Shallow indeed!
 

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Eh no problems with the same sex romances as stated its easy just to say no thank you to them. The only issue I may have would be if in the fantasy setting the relationships are taboo (though this may make for great script writing and character development). Now in Dragon Age I would have thought same sex would be a bit taboo and may have consequences, but we don't know that for sure since there isn't a codex issue on what the chantry stance on it would be. Though I could see a huge pitch fork burning at the stake riot if there was a romance between human/elf and qunari (Mother Superior: KILL THE HEATHENS!)