So what do you define as realistic? Doesn't something have a large chance of happening in order for it to be considered realistic? Anyways that's not the point, again, the point is to try to make characters that act independently of the characters actions. In real life you can't just convince someone to be gay because that's not how the world works (That is if you're coming from the stand point that being gay isn't a choice). If a writer wrote the character, with the idea of him being strait, then regardless of what the player does, that character should stay true to that sexuality. Otherwise the character's actions don't make sense. Personally, I don't like how BioWare deals with romances in their games they seem very tacked on and go mostly towards fan-service. It seems like a whole bunch of wasted potential to me.Denamic said:
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I asked on the last page, and I ask again here, which companions, precisely, feel mis-characterized in their sexuality?Ian Lutz said:
He doesn't really have to - everyone knows they've got it. Bioware is one of the few companies that actually collects use info back from people playing the game. They know how many times a cutscene is skipped, how many players pick a specific hairstyle, how many playthroughs people do, and... how often a same sex versus opposite sex romance option is played. What this means is that they have hard data showing them that people actually do want to have these options. I'm just pleased that this means I get to play the sort of game that I want. Namely, one where I can romance who I want, with whatever character I want.Paradoxrifts said:
While I understand the arguments about this oversimplifying some things, I think making all the romance options available to any character was the best way for them to implement it. Hell, I'm happy enough with this implementation that I promise not to kvetch about Mass Effect 3's romance options when they come out. Bioware really got a lot of extra respect from me with this post.
That, essentially, is my problem with the homosexual romance options in the game (and also some plot points). There are times, particularly with Anders, where you have 2 romance choices and one that will earn rivalry point. It's essentially either be gay or be a jerk. I didn't find either option appealing when playing my paladin-esque do-gooder. Every heterosexual situation has alternate options to play the "friend" card. Why pull that crap with just the homosexual dialog options... or at all (because I'm really annoyed by the lack of options). That seems a bit skewed to me. Still really didn't affect my play-throughs in the long run, but an irritation, nonetheless.Dafttechno said:
Does no one else actually play 'characters' when they play games, or do they just play 'themselves' in the story? When I go into a game, I play a character, separate from myself, with flaws and traits and personality different from my own. Sometimes that means I'll play a female, sometimes a male, sometimes one who bats for the other side, sometimes white hats or evil overlords or the comedic relief or the player. I will challenge myself to think how that character would, react as they would, find motivations and goals for them within the game world and then live it out within the story.
And yeah, sometimes that means I'll come across an issue that I as a person am uncomfortable with, ethically, morally, whatever! Dragon Age: Origins had the Morrigan child thing that if you were in a relationship, you had to choose to cheat or not to save a life, or sacrifice one. Mass Effect, you had to choose one teammate over another. I know there are countless other games that have the same issues within them. You wonder, 'What would I do? What would the character do? Does this feel right or wrong?' (Not "IS this right or wrong?" because that is subjective.)
You encounter them. You deal with them, and then continue to play the game. Some people might wonder at them later, some might spend hours thinking about the decision before they eventually choose. Others might choose the path that nets them the best swag. There are more motivations than can be listed. But then you move on and keep playing the game. That's it. You continue.
Because it is a character, you can make decisions that you're perhaps uncomfortable with. You can see how it plays out, you can learn from it, you can take that knowledge into every day life. I know there are tons of other gamers who think that way. I think it's why Bioware games are so popular; they create immersive worlds that make us think about what is presented to us and get us involved and engaged with the stories being told. But they do so by involving everyone, whether female or male, straight or gay, whatever-have-you.
If you don't like issue X that is brought out in a game, then you have the right to not play it. Distance yourself from it, if that's what you think is the right thing for YOU. But it should not be excluded: it is also another player's right to have that same issue X INCLUDED in the game.
And yeah, sometimes that means I'll come across an issue that I as a person am uncomfortable with, ethically, morally, whatever! Dragon Age: Origins had the Morrigan child thing that if you were in a relationship, you had to choose to cheat or not to save a life, or sacrifice one. Mass Effect, you had to choose one teammate over another. I know there are countless other games that have the same issues within them. You wonder, 'What would I do? What would the character do? Does this feel right or wrong?' (Not "IS this right or wrong?" because that is subjective.)
You encounter them. You deal with them, and then continue to play the game. Some people might wonder at them later, some might spend hours thinking about the decision before they eventually choose. Others might choose the path that nets them the best swag. There are more motivations than can be listed. But then you move on and keep playing the game. That's it. You continue.
Because it is a character, you can make decisions that you're perhaps uncomfortable with. You can see how it plays out, you can learn from it, you can take that knowledge into every day life. I know there are tons of other gamers who think that way. I think it's why Bioware games are so popular; they create immersive worlds that make us think about what is presented to us and get us involved and engaged with the stories being told. But they do so by involving everyone, whether female or male, straight or gay, whatever-have-you.
If you don't like issue X that is brought out in a game, then you have the right to not play it. Distance yourself from it, if that's what you think is the right thing for YOU. But it should not be excluded: it is also another player's right to have that same issue X INCLUDED in the game.
Easy....kill the character who is hitting on you....seems simple enough... uneless the character is vital to the storyline....then maim him
No.Ian Lutz said:
If it's possible, it's realistic.
Weirder shit happens in real life.
It's fully possible if they're bisexual.
Again, bisexuality.
Actually, I don't really like it either.
They just feel awkward.
They could have been pulled off way better than they were.
AMEN TO THIS. Varric was the only true manly stud muffin with any sort of personality that didn't have a disfiguring disorder like whiney-I-hate-templars-Anders or I-hate-mages-angst-emo-angst-Fenris. (But I still love Fenris anyway)CommanderKirov said:
Though Aveline wasn't bad either (Cause she's all motherly-esque), and then you have your siblings who you can tolerate too (Unless you don't have your siblings anymore).
IDK I don't think I even had companions that hit on my Male Hawke. The only time I was ever hit on was when I SPECIFICALLY when to Fenris' house and talked to him and chose those heart shaped icon dialogue options. And even when I wasn't in his house, there was never a time when Fenris just randomly says "Hawke Y U SO SEXY?". (Over exaggerated, but you get the point)
With Anders, we were just good buddies (Maxed Friednship). He never hit on me. :/ I don't think the companions are suppose to make the first move, that's Hawke's job.
Yea I thought how everyone was Bi was ridiculous. :/ It's not like I'm homophobic or anything, but realisticly it doesn't make sense.PinochetIsMyBro said:
while that guy said it wrong, i disagree with bioware's choice
certain things need to be off limits, realistic characters and normal people will most of the time only be open to a relationship with one gender, it feels lazy, uncomfortable and it bothers me trhat some of these characters are Bi
Fenris is the most closed-minded character ive ever seen why would he be Bi
all im saying is that characters need limits, places they will never go
i can live with it for now, but i will be Pissed if they use this policy in Mass Effect 3
certain things need to be off limits, realistic characters and normal people will most of the time only be open to a relationship with one gender, it feels lazy, uncomfortable and it bothers me trhat some of these characters are Bi
Fenris is the most closed-minded character ive ever seen why would he be Bi
all im saying is that characters need limits, places they will never go
i can live with it for now, but i will be Pissed if they use this policy in Mass Effect 3
[Imagine Gaiders response quoted here]
Quoted in the name of truth and sticking it to someone who feels he can speak on behalf of a number of people including me.
I hate the obligatory heterosexuality in most games. I was thrilled to hear about The Ballad of Gay Tony, and dissapointed to find that not only do you not play a gay protagonist but the playable character was a one dimensional prick and Tony was a cliche. I would love to see more homosexual male protagonists in games, and hears a crazy idea make a homosexual male protagonist which isn't a bundle of fucking cliches.
Quoted in the name of truth and sticking it to someone who feels he can speak on behalf of a number of people including me.
I hate the obligatory heterosexuality in most games. I was thrilled to hear about The Ballad of Gay Tony, and dissapointed to find that not only do you not play a gay protagonist but the playable character was a one dimensional prick and Tony was a cliche. I would love to see more homosexual male protagonists in games, and hears a crazy idea make a homosexual male protagonist which isn't a bundle of fucking cliches.
The guys that wrote this script are probably gay. I don't care. But you have to work and slave to develop a relationship with Merril or Isabella, where Anders and Fenris try to jump your bones in the first conversational exchange. Also, in the brothel, there's a transvestite you can have sex with. You can't tell by looking, you only know after you trigger the event. So the intent here is to trick a heterosexual into performing a homosexual act. Don't tell me this is not a limp-wrist striking out at straights.
I was fine with the gay option. Its not like the force you to have a relationship with anyone anyway. The relationships are totally optional. Dragon age 2 wasnt that good I will admit. But you dont have to play a game you dont like.
After any homosexual character hits on your PC, there should be a dialogue option to tell him that the PC is hetero. Gay guy comes to me, hits on me, i tell him that i'm hetero and gay guy goes elsewhere.
Would be rather cumbersome to record extra lines, additional to the normal lines ranging from "You're not my type" to "Let's just be friends" to "Move your ugly face out of my sight before i puke!".
"I'm sorry if i have caused any misunderstanding, but i'm hetero."
"Oh... oh no i'm sorry if i made you uncomfortable in any way."
Blech! Bioware would be better off with a checkbox that says "no homosexuality"...
Would be rather cumbersome to record extra lines, additional to the normal lines ranging from "You're not my type" to "Let's just be friends" to "Move your ugly face out of my sight before i puke!".
"I'm sorry if i have caused any misunderstanding, but i'm hetero."
"Oh... oh no i'm sorry if i made you uncomfortable in any way."
Blech! Bioware would be better off with a checkbox that says "no homosexuality"...
