Dragon Age II Review

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BehattedWanderer said:
But, the question begs: Is Hawke's as epic a tale as Bioware has said? The Warden was an almighty warrior/omnipotent mage/devilish rogue who had their hand in killing three High Dragons, a Varterral, The Harvester, a ton of golems, drakes, ogres, broodmothers, and demons, is a friend of human, dwarf, and dalish, more or less is single-handedly responsible for bringing a new King/Queen to Ferelden and Orzammar, and damn near single-handedly rips apart the darkspawn blight, right up to and including slaying the Archdemon, one of the old gods. That's a lot to live up to, without even mentioning the ancillary stuff like the Dark Wolf, or Commander of the Grey.

Does Hawke, the Champion of Kirkwall, become more epic than all of that? Might edit this post after playing tomorrow.
That epic tale is one that BioWare has done in every single one of their games. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the hell out of them. But I very much welcome a different kind of story.
 

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Madkipz said:
inventory / gear management: gone
talents and abilities: linear and streamlined.
the mass effect wheel: top is paragon, middle is stupid and bottom is renegade.
Amount of pausing the game during a fight or putting actual thought into anything other than who you want to be friends with: 0
So basically anything that required you to do something is gone, its now an interactive movie with choice. Not much of a game.

Not that i dont mind movies nor complain but to call it the pinnacle of rpgs is an insult to baldurs gate. ^_^
Uh...I've played the demo and from what I could tell, all of that is available in the game.

Talents and inventory are streamlined a little, but nothing drastic. The dialogue wheel is well done and avoids sticking to Mass Effect's formula. Pausing in combat is a REQUIREMENT if you want to survive, and the tactics system is fully intact.

Honestly, you're complaining about things that just aren't true.
 

mman36

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I'm certain this game is going to be amazing, though Greg, ya really think it's a good idea to recommend stealing it? We gotta support our developers!
 

BehattedWanderer

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DustyDrB said:
BehattedWanderer said:
But, the question begs: Is Hawke's as epic a tale as Bioware has said? The Warden was an almighty warrior/omnipotent mage/devilish rogue who had their hand in killing three High Dragons, a Varterral, The Harvester, a ton of golems, drakes, ogres, broodmothers, and demons, is a friend of human, dwarf, and dalish, more or less is single-handedly responsible for bringing a new King/Queen to Ferelden and Orzammar, and damn near single-handedly rips apart the darkspawn blight, right up to and including slaying the Archdemon, one of the old gods. That's a lot to live up to, without even mentioning the ancillary stuff like the Dark Wolf, or Commander of the Grey.

Does Hawke, the Champion of Kirkwall, become more epic than all of that? Might edit this post after playing tomorrow.
That epic tale is one that BioWare has done in every single one of their games. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the hell out of them. But I very much welcome a different kind of story.
I enjoy a different story as well, but 'man takes care of his town and family' was Fable's thing, and I got a little bored with Fable. I'll be playing in less than 24 hours, but I'm still hesitant. Bioware so far has been great about making their games feel epic, like you're really doing something meaningful, but from what I've heard of Hawke, his tale seems sub-par, so far. I await playing.
 

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What kind of Dwarf is BEARDLESS!? That is HERESY!! By Moradin's beard, I swear had I known this I would not have pre-ordered this game to promote such sacrilege >:U

Back to the topic at hand: On the other hand I'm not really sure about this one. I can only speak from the demo, but it being called the pinanacle of the RPG is probably going a little far; that position is already claimed by Planescape: Torment.

IMO it almost seems like Bioware is coming to be hailed as a grand RPG developer because they are one of the three triple A developers that actually make RPGs. But... I'm not so sure they're actually as good as my RPG starved brain thinks then are. >_>;;
 

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Talcon said:
The towns are basically empty, and I got halfway through the demo by smashing the auto-attack button. How the hell does this deserve a perfect score?
shockingly the demo only has one difficulty and it was just to show off pretty much.

I think the person who has played the FULL VERSION knows a bit more about it.
 

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Talcon said:
The towns are basically empty, and I got halfway through the demo by smashing the auto-attack button. How the hell does this deserve a perfect score?
Maybe because he didn't review the demo...

OT: Can't wait for steam to let me play!!! Grrr... Damn you Steam let me play my game!!!
 

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Madkipz said:
FlyAwayAutumn said:
I can't wait for this game. I'm getting it tomorrow bitches! I played the console version of Origins and while I loved it the downfalls of the console version tended to get me down it also made me sad that I had to play on Casual that's just insulting. When I get Dragon Age 2 Imma gonna be a mage! I cast flare bitches!

Madkipz said:
You are calling it: A pinnacle of role-playing games with well-designed mechanics and excellent story-telling, Dragon Age II is what videogames are meant to be.


So it falls flat on its face on actual gameplay? that bad huh?
I feel like you were trying to make a joke but either I didn't get it or it wasn't funny.
inventory / gear management: gone
talents and abilities: linear and streamlined.
the mass effect wheel: top is paragon, middle is stupid and bottom is renegade.
Amount of pausing the game during a fight or putting actual thought into anything other than who you want to be friends with: 0
So basically anything that required you to do something is gone, its now an interactive movie with choice. Not much of a game.

Not that i dont mind movies nor complain but to call it the pinnacle of rpgs is an insult to baldurs gate. ^_^
Let's tackle your issues one at a time, because you sound like this fine article [http://www.somethingawful.com/d/video-game-article/dragon-age-reaction.php] except with absolutely less reason.

1) When talking about a game that has inventory items available based on whether you pre-ordered, have other games, looked at facebook, or whatever, it is absolutely stupid to make the claim that there is no inventory management. You are clearly not paying attention to the existance of an inventory menu in the demo, nor are you paying attention to the fact that there's a crafting system entirely based on improving your inventory, or an achivement for maximizing parts of your inventory on your teammates. You sir, are sounding like a fool with this post alone. It's a statement that is based not on evidence, but on fearmongering you pulled from your ass. It's an ass-borne statement.

2) Streamlined is not bad. But let's compare it to Dragon ages' talents which are, instead of being streamlined, are in the following formation:
X - X - X - X. As we all are aware, four things in a row are not linear, they are some other thing other than a line, and clearly, setting them up to look more like molecules of benzene with multiple entry points is absolutely linear when compared to a straight line. Stop failing at observing reality. And you compare it to Baldurs gate which had what for 'talent trees?' Oh yeah, the second edition D&D character creation system. Level based. With set features as you gain levels. Do you know what linear means? Clearly not.

3) The mass-effect wheel. Cause lists are better than circles? Cause clear intentions of what your character wants to mean is better than guessing at what the connotation will be? Because making choices matter is bad?

4) The amount of pause-and-go you will have in your game is exactly what you want it to be. Want to pause-and-go? Play it on a harder setting, and knock yourself out. The experience is what you want it to be. For someone who bitches about having choices taken away from him, you'd think you'd actually embrace being able to play the game how you want to play it. OPTIONS ARE BAD OMG!

5) Don't play on easy then. Play on hard. Whatever, you've already made up your mind on this game based on your crazy world expectations that do not match anything remotely resembling given evidence. So long as you believe Balder's Gate has non-linear character building, that wheels are somehow magically worse or different than lists, and that a straight line is less linear than a branching tree with multiple entry points, then you'll never believe this game can be good. No big loss. Looks to me like it's going to be an awesome blast.
 

Lizmichi

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God now I want Dragon Age 2 even more now. *cries at being poor* Oh well, when I do get my hands on this game I will be more then happy. God I love you BioWare.
 

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Pugiron said:
I am using my psychic powers to predict there will be a hatefully bitchy female companion that will criticize your every move but still sleep with you if you choose to romance her. Also, is ther no character customization, because Hawkeeeee looks even dumber n game than in the cinematics, like Duncan's retarded son.
Morrigan disapproves (-9)

Also, you fail at paying attention to basic information. There is a character creation system, again, this is another comment that is not borne of evidence and is in fact, pulled out of your ass.

Critique should be grounded in reality, not on stuff you made up strictly to critique it. Whatever game you're trying to make fun if, that does not exist, probably sucks. But it exists only in your imagination so...

DustyDrB said:
That epic tale is one that BioWare has done in every single one of their games. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the hell out of them. But I very much welcome a different kind of story.
I don't know how to break this too you... that's not a 'BioWare' thing, that's a 'Videogames' thing. That's a 'Stories' thing.

It's no different if you call the game 'Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas' or 'Metal Gear Solid'. It's just a standard video game trope, and it's a perfectly fine one. Would you rather 'Save the Princess' or 'Be betrayed by the obvious betrayer' or 'Fight the puppet and have the puppetmaster reveal themselves at the end' or my personal favorite 'You have amnesia!'

Give me an epic any time, it will never be played out.
 

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manythings said:
I hate you DA2 playing guy... three more fucking days.

Did you have the High-res texture packs or just the regular copy?
Only one day for us Canadians.
 

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Pugiron said:
I am using my psychic powers to predict there will be a hatefully bitchy female companion that will criticize your every move but still sleep with you if you choose to romance her. Also, is ther no character customization, because Hawkeeeee looks even dumber n game than in the cinematics, like Duncan's retarded son.

Um, yes. There is character customization.
 

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Pugiron said:
Also, is ther no character customization, because Hawkeeeee looks even dumber n game than in the cinematics, like Duncan's retarded son.
I do believe you just insulted Greg's character. (yes there is character creator, and your family will reflect your appearance somewhat).