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Necromancer1991 said:
There's a line between saying he forgot to mention stuff, and calling him a "Corporate flunkie"
I have to admit, I think he is too ... not a single mention of the copy past jobs, the programmer art UI, the occasional low detail/lifeless areas ... combined with calling it better than DA:O and the fact that the Escapist has run a lot of DA2 specials lately, which were probably sponsored. The preponderance of evidence is against him.
on auto-attacking, wow it's a feature where I only have to click once as opposed to a few times and he was wrong about it being in the game, HOW DARE HE, it can't be bioware's fault, NO THE BLAME LIES SOLELY WITH GREG!
I said regardless of who was to blame it should have been amended, it was factually wrong. Nothing to do with opinion, a review should strive to get facts right. This being the web not getting it right the first time is no excuse not to fix it.
In what fantasy world does a feature like that being absent break a game
In the fantasy world where people don't all have the same opinion as you ... this is purely a matter of taste, weren't you defending his right to his opinion just before now? Lots of people found this objectionable in the demo, he found it important enough to remark that it could be turned on in the options because of that, so it should be important enough to get his facts straight.
I'm just saying in terms of stuff that needs to be in a game, Auto-attack rates pretty low.
This isn't about the game, it's about the review ...
 

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I know -Nothing- about this game, and even I can tell that this review is incredibly biased. Even by looking at the video I can come up with more negativity than that.

This is why I love Zero Punctuation. Sure it tends to lean a bit too much on the negative side, but at least he's honest.

Whoever reviewed this, is not.
 

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Running a site isn't free, they run ads to pay for the site (Bigger games get more adds and get reviewed sooner), also why do people have such a hard time believing this game is good (IT'S BIOWARE), fine he heaped an odd amount of praise (Second time I've said this), but I more or less agree with his review on most points, which either makes me a coporate flunkie (Despite the fact that I payed for the game 0_o), or means the game isn't as terribad as you guys make it out to be, on the matter of editing the video/article so as to clear up the issue of auto-attacking, I'm not sure you CAN edit those articles (I may be wrong so don't quote me on that), I just think a minor mistake like that doesn't warrant attacking someone, if a chef under-seasons your chicken at a restaurant you don't go barging into the kitchen to insult him (yes it's an odd analogy but it works). Yes IMO it's a minor mistake and it could be amended in the forums (And greg could and should have done so). Also this IS about the game, it's about the review getting something about the game wrong.
 

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I honestly wonder if you guys are playing the same game that I am. You are all entitled to your opinion, of course, but I honestly loved the game and enjoyed all of the features I discussed in the review. Many of he complaints you have, I describe in the review, but they just weren't dealbreakers for me.

I want to clear up a couple of things:

First, The Escapist received no money for my review and I am not a corporate shill. If I were, I would be a lot more comfortable financially than I currently am. Alas, I'm poor as dirt, and only give good reviews to games that I love. I made the class party guides because I thought it would be content you guys would like. They are not sponsored in any way.

Second, I did make a mistake regarding the auto-attack. As I was putting the finishing touches on the review, a source that I trust made sure that I say the option was there and I included it without verifying for myself if the feature was indeed on the shipped game. I take full responsibility for the error, and I've removed it from the written review. Hopefully, BioWare will patch it in later, but I doubt it.

For that, I apologize. I do not apologize for loving a game that you had probably decided to hate even before reading my review.

Thank you so much to the people in this thread who have tried to keep it from being a hatefest. I respect that although you might not agree with my opinion, you see no reason to accuse me of being on the take, or that all gamers will agree with my personal thoughts on a game. Thanks for that.

Greg
 

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Greg Tito said:
I honestly wonder if you guys are playing the same game that I am. You are all entitled to your opinion, of course, but I honestly loved the game and enjoyed all of the features I discussed in the review. Many of he complaints you have, I describe in the review, but they just weren't dealbreakers for me.

I want to clear up a couple of things:

First, The Escapist received no money for my review and I am not a corporate shill. If I were, I would be a lot more comfortable financially than I currently am. Alas, I'm poor as dirt, and only give good reviews to games that I love. I made the class party guides because I thought it would be content you guys would like. They are not sponsored in any way.

Second, I did make a mistake regarding the auto-attack. As I was putting the finishing touches on the review, a source that I trust made sure that I say the option was there and I included it without verifying for myself if the feature was indeed on the shipped game. I take full responsibility for the error, and I've removed it from the written review. Hopefully, BioWare will patch it in later, but I doubt it.

For that, I apologize. I do not apologize for loving a game that you had probably decided to hate even before reading my review.

Thank you so much to the people in this thread who have tried to keep it from being a hatefest. I respect that although you might not agree with my opinion, you see no reason to accuse me of being on the take, or that all gamers will agree with my personal thoughts on a game. Thanks for that.

Greg
I did not decide to hate the game prior to reading or playing through the game. I decided to hate it when the credits rolled at the worst spot for a cliffhanger. Nothing being resolved and your involvement destroying the city you became a part of seems counter productive and plain silly. A much better game would have been cutting all the previous acts other than the final battle and a few lead in battles to get the flow of the game. Also, Bioware kicked its PC audience in the balls when it decided to make it more console friendly, in turn removing all that contributed to the great gameplay on the PC.

All my thoughts can be found here:

I heard it is much more console friendly. The first one was awful trying to play on the xbox 360. Too many spells too few hotkeys. The spell amount in this game is reduced severely so that should help. Gameplay wise it is not bad, way too easy past the major boss in the first major plot event. Other then that everything falls flat, character dialog is restricted and limiting. The options at the end return the same outcome regardless of choice. The story is an unframed wreck. By the end I was happy that I no longer had to deal with the constant barrage of pointless conflicts exacerbated by my futile efforts to intervene upon a purely linear and closed story. Linear story telling is not always a terrible thing, but presenting the illusion of relative freedom of choice only to disregard your decisions creates a reprehensible dynamic story.

To sum up further:

Dragon Age 2 has an awful story and the game takes a difficulty dive so severe the last encounters are equivalent to mowing down helpless civilians in a Russian airport. 30 hours of act one waiting to get to the important parts of the overall interesting premise which abruptly ends just as a true catastrophe happens (and the primary story arch being revealed) is piss poor story progression. In which a company, primarily concerned with setting up future expansions to generate revenue, will resolve this conflict over a two year period in which dollars will funnel to an undeserving development team. The lack of depth to the final choices within the game reflects the inept writing and hurried finished to an overall lackluster game. Bioware's narrative concerning Hawke's rise to "power" is beyond abominable and conveys blatant disregard for the genre and Bioware's strength: Well written literature.
 

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Greg Tito said:
I did make a mistake regarding the auto-attack. As I was putting the finishing touches on the review, a source that I trust made sure that I say the option was there and I included it without verifying for myself if the feature was indeed on the shipped game. I take full responsibility for the error, and I've removed it from the written review. Hopefully, BioWare will patch it in later, but I doubt it.

For that, I apologize.
For that, we thank you. That was your only actual mistake in the review. Glad to see you're being up front about that. Fingers crossed that they fix it eventually. After playing the demo, there's no way I'm buying the game until I no longer have to mash the A button.

Greg Tito said:
I do not apologize for loving a game that you had probably decided to hate even before reading my review.
OH GOD! ABORT! ABORT! You NEVER want to make a statement like that. Do I agree that most people had their minds made up before they watched it? Yeah, I do, but you should never SAY that.

For one thing, it's going to cause a lot of backlash from the community. You never want to accuse your readers of anything negative.

For another, you don't know that. Thus, you accusing people of that is just as unfair as them accusing you of getting paid off. Unless you have proof you should never vocalize assumptions like that. Of course, being an internet journalist, you probably shouldn't even then.

For myself, I'm not a fan of the game. I don't like the direction BioWare has taken the franchise and I let my purchasing decision reflect that. Which puts me in an awkward position, because my entire exposure to the game consists of the demo. On the one hand, I don't want to buy it, because consumers speak best with their wallet. On the other, I really can't talk about the game from a knowledgeable position since I've not played the entire game.


Regarding the amount of backlash the review has received, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that no other review was as positive. For a controversial game like this, that's like painting a target on your back. To an extent, blame metacritic for attaching the 100 score to the review.

On the other hand, it's bringing in lots of attention, and traffic is life to these sites. I guess take that for what it is.
 

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Pinkjello said:
I don't know what spoiler tags are!
Stuff that can be considered "spoilers" here< /spoiler>

Remove the extra spaces and voila, you just saved yourself from taking away from other peoples' enjoyment of the game! Now edit your post, please, as you did just give away the ending of the game for me, something I do not appreciate. Regardless of how you feel about the game, that is quite a dick move.

Is this REALLY too much to ask?
 

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Wonder when this will blow over? It's like someone took away their baked beans or something.

Anyway, I liked the game. A bit too much on the praise there Greg. Cheers.
 

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The thing is, when you are reviewing something you can't just post things like: OMGOGASGOMGGGGG ITS SO FUCKING AWESOME I WANT TO LICK THE GAME COVER. Why? Because reviews must say what's good and what's bad regardless if you like it or not so that people will know how good it is. A review must be as objective as possible and this game has points that a decent review should punish severely such as repeating maps a hundred-fold the amount mass effect did.

What has the world come to? A "professional" reviewer acting like a mindless fanboy who will shun away obvious flaws just because DA RULEZZZZZZZZZ. I'm not saying reviewers should be merciless judges like yahtzee, but he is the ONLY one who speaks his mind and has the balls to say THIS is good whereas THIS OTHER SHIT is fucking HORRIBLE. This review has no more credibility than a fanboy nerdraging at EA forums about it's awesomeness.
You do know a Review is an Opinion of something? in this case a game? maybe he didn't find any bugs or glitches during his play through? maybe nothing annoyed him?

If you don't like it, read another review, don't blast this guy because he reviewed a game he thought was excellent. if you don't agree then Boo-Fucking-Hoo
A good reviewer will look past his personal bloody opinion and try to encompass a broad spectrum of opinions in relation to his own. I BOUGHT THIS GAME BECAUSE OF THIS REVIEW AND I WANT MY MONEY BACK. This is an UTTER FAILURE compared to DAO I feel so betrayed by the escapist words cannot express. Its hard to even call this an RPG...
Not saying anything about how fans of the original might react to this new IP is a fault. 5 stars would meen the game would have to be amazing...
Reused maps the town is severely underpopulated for a place that cant take one more refugee
Feels like im playing WOW collection quests half the time.
Kirkwall is boring its a boring place that seems like it was done in a couple months in a 3d animation class.
Was there a differant Team working on this because thats how it seems?

I found this post to be quite sad. You should be blaming yourself for buying a game based simply on a very short review which does not even mention the platform it is played on properly. If you had taken the time to read more than one review you would probably have discovered that it was not the game for you.

To please the pc elitist inside of me. I have to mention I am somewhat disappointed in the way that Dragon Age 2 was rushed by EA to be released quickly, causing many problems which could have been solved if proper time was spend on them. EA milking a succesful franchise is nothing new however.
 

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I am really enjoying this game right now and i think it deserves a good review, but this isn't a review; it's a two-page advertisement.
 

Aedrial

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On the topic of the difficulty ramping am I the only one mage who had trouble with the Arishok one hitting my entire party?
 

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Best review on the site, dripping with the sarcasm and subtleties that exposes a truly mediocre game for what it is.

Let's be honest when has a good game ever been made in ONE YEAR with an expansion for the first one in between?
 

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"Bottom Line: A pinnacle of role-playing games with well-designed mechanics and excellent story-telling, Dragon Age II is what videogames are meant to be."

A pinnacle? It's a lukewarm pulp of mediocrity...

Without the polished story-telling and the good production values it would go down the drain like all the other so called "modern" RPG's... Sorry but I prefer games that stimulate the mind rather than an easily digestible "haloesque" experience...

What's next? Quick Time Events for some flashy new kill animations? No wonder the Bioware crew made huge efforts beforehand to explain (and market) the changes they made to the gameplay. I bet alot of them feel ashamed for bullshitting their longtime followers...
 

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God help us if this is the pinnacle of rpgs. The worst thing about it is from any other developer and franchise and this game would be slated.

Gone is the spirit of adventure, gone are the impressive graphics, gone is the staple of impending doom which you must triumph over, gone is the deep level of customization, gone is the varied environments and interesting lore, gone is the deep chat option system and so much more has been removed from this game.

I feel like Bioware are going backwards, I'm deeply disappointed with Dragon Age 2.
 

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Greg Tito said:
I honestly wonder if you guys are playing the same game that I am. You are all entitled to your opinion, of course, but I honestly loved the game and enjoyed all of the features I discussed in the review. Many of he complaints you have, I describe in the review, but they just weren't dealbreakers for me.

I want to clear up a couple of things:

First, The Escapist received no money for my review and I am not a corporate shill. If I were, I would be a lot more comfortable financially than I currently am. Alas, I'm poor as dirt, and only give good reviews to games that I love. I made the class party guides because I thought it would be content you guys would like. They are not sponsored in any way.

Second, I did make a mistake regarding the auto-attack. As I was putting the finishing touches on the review, a source that I trust made sure that I say the option was there and I included it without verifying for myself if the feature was indeed on the shipped game. I take full responsibility for the error, and I've removed it from the written review. Hopefully, BioWare will patch it in later, but I doubt it.

For that, I apologize. I do not apologize for loving a game that you had probably decided to hate even before reading my review.

Thank you so much to the people in this thread who have tried to keep it from being a hatefest. I respect that although you might not agree with my opinion, you see no reason to accuse me of being on the take, or that all gamers will agree with my personal thoughts on a game. Thanks for that.

Greg
It was really big of you to apologize on your mistake (the auto-attack). I believe that it was an honest mistake, and I therefore forgive you.

I do find your attitude a little ridiculous though. Why would the fanboys who dreamed of playing a new DA game for so long, and who preordered it, expect it to suck (in their opinion). If anyone can be expected to enjoy the game it's the people who have so much confidence in the product that they choose to pay for it before it even gets reviewed.

I personally wasn't sure if I would like the game(which is why I didn't preorder), and I didn't. I don't fault you for your opinion, noone should be given grief over their opinion. I understand that you have been taking a lot of flack for your opinion lately, but you need to understand that anyone who says they don't like the game instantly gets flamed too. Even if they provide legitimate reasons.
 

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Pinkjello said:
Greg Tito said:
I honestly wonder if you guys are playing the same game that I am. You are all entitled to your opinion, of course, but I honestly loved the game and enjoyed all of the features I discussed in the review. Many of he complaints you have, I describe in the review, but they just weren't dealbreakers for me.

I want to clear up a couple of things:

First, The Escapist received no money for my review and I am not a corporate shill. If I were, I would be a lot more comfortable financially than I currently am. Alas, I'm poor as dirt, and only give good reviews to games that I love. I made the class party guides because I thought it would be content you guys would like. They are not sponsored in any way.

Second, I did make a mistake regarding the auto-attack. As I was putting the finishing touches on the review, a source that I trust made sure that I say the option was there and I included it without verifying for myself if the feature was indeed on the shipped game. I take full responsibility for the error, and I've removed it from the written review. Hopefully, BioWare will patch it in later, but I doubt it.

For that, I apologize. I do not apologize for loving a game that you had probably decided to hate even before reading my review.

Thank you so much to the people in this thread who have tried to keep it from being a hatefest. I respect that although you might not agree with my opinion, you see no reason to accuse me of being on the take, or that all gamers will agree with my personal thoughts on a game. Thanks for that.

Greg
I did not decide to hate the game prior to reading or playing through the game. I decided to hate it when the credits rolled at the worst spot for a cliffhanger. Nothing being resolved and your involvement destroying the city you became a part of seems counter productive and plain silly. A much better game would have been cutting all the previous acts other than the final battle and a few lead in battles to get the flow of the game. Also, Bioware kicked its PC audience in the balls when it decided to make it more console friendly, in turn removing all that contributed to the great gameplay on the PC.

All my thoughts can be found here:

I heard it is much more console friendly. The first one was awful trying to play on the xbox 360. Too many spells too few hotkeys. The spell amount in this game is reduced severely so that should help. Gameplay wise it is not bad, way too easy past the major boss in the first major plot event. Other then that everything falls flat, character dialog is restricted and limiting. The options at the end return the same outcome regardless of choice. The story is an unframed wreck. By the end I was happy that I no longer had to deal with the constant barrage of pointless conflicts exacerbated by my futile efforts to intervene upon a purely linear and closed story. Linear story telling is not always a terrible thing, but presenting the illusion of relative freedom of choice only to disregard your decisions creates a reprehensible dynamic story.

To sum up further:

Dragon Age 2 has an awful story and the game takes a difficulty dive so severe the last encounters are equivalent to mowing down helpless civilians in a Russian airport. 30 hours of act one waiting to get to the important parts of the overall interesting premise which abruptly ends just as a true catastrophe happens (and the primary story arch being revealed) is piss poor story progression. In which a company, primarily concerned with setting up future expansions to generate revenue, will resolve this conflict over a two year period in which dollars will funnel to an undeserving development team. The lack of depth to the final choices within the game reflects the inept writing and hurried finished to an overall lackluster game. Bioware's narrative concerning Hawke's rise to "power" is beyond abominable and conveys blatant disregard for the genre and Bioware's strength: Well written literature.
I really would like to play this game you speak of, unfortunately I bought Dragon Age 2, a good game that was really non-linear, full of interesting characters and sidequests that had real impact later on in the game, and it has about the same amount of character choices in the character dialogue as in the first game, and the dialogue options would grant you several different results depending upon what you picked.

I really can't see why you say it is a linear story, the beginning and end (the end being when Varric starts talking as there are multiple endings that happen judging on what you do in the game) are the same, but everything inbetween is left for you to make up.

They do resolve the endings in the closing epilogue, but I will agree that the cliffhanger thing was Bullshit.
 

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ThePlasmatizer said:
God help us if this is the pinnacle of rpgs. The worst thing about it is from any other developer and franchise and this game would be slated.

Gone is the spirit of adventure, gone are the impressive graphics, gone is the staple of impending doom which you must triumph over, gone is the deep level of customization, gone is the varied environments and interesting lore, gone is the deep chat option system and so much more has been removed from this game.

I feel like Bioware are going backwards, I'm deeply disappointed with Dragon Age 2.
Don't worry, you can buy generic, the rpg when it comes out sometime later this year.

All of the things you've said are things that bioware said would not be in the game in every interview, aside from the impressive graphics deep customization, lore, and the deep chat system is still there, the only thing we've really lost are environments (only the dungeons, but still a good gripe), the impending doom, which I'm glad is gone because it is what bogs down several RPG's, and the spirit of adventure is more of an opinion than anything.

I never got why people would complain that the game is exactly what the developers said it would be. If you don't like what it was going to be, fine, but don't act shocked when it turns out everything they said turns out true.
 

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Smokej said:
"Bottom Line: A pinnacle of role-playing games with well-designed mechanics and excellent story-telling, Dragon Age II is what videogames are meant to be."

A pinnacle? It's a lukewarm pulp of mediocrity...

Without the polished story-telling and the good production values it would go down the drain like all the other so called "modern" RPG's... Sorry but I prefer games that stimulate the mind rather than an easily digestible "haloesque" experience...

What's next? Quick Time Events for some flashy new kill animations? No wonder the Bioware crew made huge efforts beforehand to explain (and market) the changes they made to the gameplay. I bet alot of them feel ashamed for bullshitting their longtime followers...
If the game fails to stimulate your mind, I have no idea what would, the game offers numerous outcomes for several sidequests, some end up affecting the main quest, what you say and do has a much larger impact than any other game made by Bioware, so I fail to see why you seem to imply it is nothing more than go here and kill this.

Also, kill animations aren't new, the first game had them, and more of them.