Driving Through The Wheel of Time

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[HEADING=2]The Wheel of Time: The First Two Books[/HEADING]​
Audio books are something that never held my interest until recently. With a torrent of work, I found myself in need of something other than music to keep me company while I sat huddled at my desk slaving over both school and self-induced labor. It was through several recommendations that I acquired some audio books and began my journey in Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time series.


[img_inline width=300 height=460 align=left]http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/eye_of_the_world.jpg[/img_inline]The Wheel of Time is an epic fantasy adventure of magic and evil and destiny all wrapped up nicely in new monikers as a totally structurally sound veil over the fact that they are the themes that come up every fantasy series ever. The world Jordan has created bears much semblance to many fantasy worlds you may have visited over the years. If you do not read fantasy it is still one you've likely heard about before. The world of The Wheel of Time is set in the pseudo-medieval period in which most sword-and-sorcery fantasy is set. There are several kingdoms, which rule uncertainly in fear of the shadow of the "Dark One", an evil being sealed in a prison residing in the plagued land known as The Blight. The Wheel of Time itself is something alluded to frequently in the series, and it isn't quite clear if it is just a metaphor or some literal wheel that drives time forwards. The concept is that history repeats itself indefinitely, people just seem forget that has and will continue to. The Wheel and a "Pattern it weaves" (presumably it is a wheel on a loom?) determine the fate of everyone in the world. It would seem that this is used to explain very much about this world not the least of which is the fact that the level of technology seems to be frozen in the feudal age. The truth is the Wheel and the Pattern are used as a clever device to allow Jordan to do basically whatever he likes with the story without much real justification required. Speaking of impossibilities as writing devices, Jordan has created a world of fantasy and fantasy cannot exist without it's good buddy, magic. In Jordan's world is a force called "The One Power", the power which turns the Wheel and which certain individuals can channel to alter reality in their own ways. It is magic wrapped up in a new moniker and given a bit of explanation. I have always been a believer that the best magic in fantasy is something enigmatic, something totally unexplained. It maintains a sense of wonder that is lost after explanation in a similar manner to "The Force", from Star Wars. Nevertheless, Jordan's "channeling" works in the context of the world he's built and does an alright job drawing the reader into the mind and feeling of those dealing with magic.

As I am only two books into the series I cannot recount the full story, but I will tell what I can without giving away anything too important. Young adult Rand al'Thor and his friends live in a fairly sheltered farm community. Rand is right at home there, but he is outsider in appearance and presumably origin. One day the village is attacked by Trollocs. Seemingly chasing Rand and his friends, they are forced to leave the world they know with an "Aes Sedai" (women who can channel "The One Power") and her Warder (the men who guard Aes Sedai). They travel out into the world and are inevitably split up. Over their journey they learn the world is a dangerous place, make new friends and find out about their true destinies. If this sounds familiar, it may be because you've read fantasy before. The first book, The Eye of the World, follows about as generic a fantasy plot as you can get. The second book, The Great Hunt mixes things up a bit more, following the separate adventures of Rand and his friends and their quest to find a magical horn whilst Rand struggles with his identity and the forced road that is his destiny. What it does mix up isn't really enough to set it apart as a story [from other fantasy], but sets you up for what is presumably an even more epic adventure in the rest of the series.

The problem is that I am not really interested in the rest of the series. You see, Robert Jordan just isn't that good of a writer. Each book numbers about seven or eight hundred pages, as an audio book that translates to about twenty five to thirty hours of listening per book. This is because Jordan feels the need to describe everything in minute detail. Unfortunately, he's just not that good at describing. You will find that he uses a lot of weak simile combined with several buzzword adjectives; words that sound great the first time will become stale over the course of a book (the word "guttural" comes to mind). It means that you end up with long-winded but rather frigid writing. It is usually a rule within fiction that every scene should have a point to it, something which I fear Jordan completely ignores. Several scenes struck me as redundant or pointless, some even seemed like he'd repeated a scene from earlier in the book. This isn't helped by the fact that Jordan also lacks the ability to write variety into his minor characters. They all seem be eerily similar, often saying the exact same lines as one another. A particular stretch of the first book where Rand and his friend Matrim are traveling between two cities strikes me in particular. They encounter several benevolent farmers who all say and do pretty much the same thing. I'll admit this is also in part because of the reading of the audio book. The chapters from a male perspective are read by Michael Kramer, who has about 3 voices for people who are not main characters. It's an unfortunate problem that brings flashbacks to my days playing The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion.


[img_inline width=309 height=475 align=right]http://www.greyboar.com/books/0312851405_l.gif[/img_inline]It isn't just minor characters that have this problem, either. Many major characters are just a bit too similar. His female characters in particular all share a similar bitchy, nagging tone. Condescending towards men and bitchy towards each other. I may place this blame partially on a lack of perspective into writing female characters on Jordan's part. On the other hand, his male characters aren't too much better. Many of them strike me as naive, or stubborn in the face of overwhelming evidence of something contrary to what they think. While the male characters are more varied than the females, they still fall into some archetypes that he alters slightly based on the character. Things like: the young and eager man, the veteran, the old wise man, the sly and likely evil man. It sucks for the reader in that it lacks personality, but also serves as a nagging reminder that the entire world of The Wheel of Time lacks personality. It all feels like a world crafted so closely around the fantasy archetype that the writer forgot that some variation is required to make things interesting.

It almost seems like The Wheel of Time is a bit more than Jordan could chew. He has too many characters to deal with so instead of writing new ones, he reuses them. The overwhelming nature of the books actually most evident in the way he strings the story together. The story, while somewhat generic, is forgivable for its epic nature. On the other hand, the individual events flow together rather poorly. Because of the Wheel and the Pattern, Jordan is giving license to hand the story over to fate. That is to say he may use deus-ex machina as much as he likes with the characters because "it is in the pattern". It's a lazy writing technique the veils itself under the guise of the mechanics of the world Jordan has created, but it means that he can disjointedly throw exciting situation after exciting situation at the characters without ever really worrying about killing his characters. All he needs to worry about when writing is where to go next, what new excitement will happen this chapter, and while it sounds good in principle to have non-stop excitement he fails in that respect as well. Chapters frequently occur in which nothing happens; I recall almost a full chapter that consisted mostly of the female characters talking about which male characters they liked.

In the end you what you have with The Wheel of Time, or at least the first two books of it, is an adventure in a high fantasy world with an epic-scale story line sprawled over thousands of pages. It's just too bad that the world is a bit generic, poorly described and filled with unlikeable characters.

Bottom Line: There are far better fantasy epics out there with far better writing. The works of Guy Gavriel Kay and David Eddings cover a similar page-count per book with better writing. Unless you're like me and have too much time to listen to them, with nothing else to listen to, save yourself a boatload of time and give these a pass.

Written by Simon Sweetman. Thanks for reading. Special thanks to NewClassic for all the help he's given me.
 

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I've only read the series once, and not yet read the final book yet, but, I always felt the Wheel of Time is like the bread and butter of fantasy, only someone's forgot to spread the butter. Sure, you can eat it, and may find it a little filling, but it's just bread. Personally, I still found the world interesting even if the characters were lacking, and, that seems to be an oft levelled criticism against fantasy, that the author spends so much time on the minutiae of the setting that they don't or seem unable to flesh out their characters.

Actually....I only really enjoyed the whole ensemble by dint of instinctively blocking out the boring bits. And it's Mat by the way, he's only called Matrim when he get's in trouble with the ladies.

Still, excellent review. By the by, there's a videogame too based on the books (loosely mind) if you were interested in doing a game review on the same subject:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wheel_of_Time_(video_game)
 

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I've never been too fond of Jordan's grand opus myself, I've always found it too un-necessarily bloated whereas the works of Eddings are far more efficient (and you know... FUN, something heavily lacking in Jordan's work) and Kay's work is heavily founded in REAL history and is soaked with some of the best world building in Fantasy.
 

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I pretty much agree with the OP, except that I still find the story quite enjoyable despite the obvious flaws in the writing. Flaws which, by the way, only get more noticeable as the story goes on. The generally unlikeable portrayal of female characters is the main flaw in my opinion, since there are a lot of very important female characters. The repetitive descriptions are something of an in-joke within the 'fandom' (and I use that term loosely in this case). References to large herds of braid-tugging skirt-smoothing women folding their arms under their breasts while scolding wool-headed men are not a rarity.

Anyway, what I wanted to ask: How did you like the audio-books? I mean not the books themselves, but the fact that they were audio-books rather than proper books? I've always been a bit averse of the whole idea myself, but I must admit that 'reading' a book while doing unrelated work does sound interesting. Could you divide your attention between your work and the book? Wasn't the book too distracting, or did you just kind of passively absorb the whole thing while your mind was preoccupied with other things?
 

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I hate those books so much, I can;t even describe it. I read the first eight of them when I was 14 and incredibly bored and I stopped because, while they started out sort-of okay, they became a horrible mess with a plot that went nowhere and in which I liked only one character, who got progressively less attention and was constantly tormented by everyone else (especially the entire, monumentally awful, female cast) for NO GOOD REASON. I can't believe I'll never get all those hours of my life back.
 

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GothmogII said:
Actually....I only really enjoyed the whole ensemble by dint of instinctively blocking out the boring bits. And it's Mat by the way, he's only called Matrim when he get's in trouble with the ladies.
I used Matrim instead of Mat because I tend to write in a little more formal than most, and I feel that if I've just introduced a new character to the reader I should use their full name. Or I guess in this case, his full first name.
PedroSteckecilo said:
I've never been too fond of Jordan's grand opus myself, I've always found it too un-necessarily bloated whereas the works of Eddings are far more efficient (and you know... FUN, something heavily lacking in Jordan's work) and Kay's work is heavily founded in REAL history and is soaked with some of the best world building in Fantasy.
Glad that kind of positive view on those writers. It's been a while since I read any Eddings what I remembered was great and I absolutely loved reading Kay's work. Nevertheless, I was unsure people who had also read them would agree with that part of my conclusion.
Hurr Durr Derp said:
Anyway, what I wanted to ask: How did you like the audio-books? I mean not the books themselves, but the fact that they were audio-books rather than proper books? I've always been a bit averse of the whole idea myself, but I must admit that 'reading' a book while doing unrelated work does sound interesting. Could you divide your attention between your work and the book? Wasn't the book too distracting, or did you just kind of passively absorb the whole thing while your mind was preoccupied with other things?
The audio book was read by Michael Kramer with male perspective chapters and Kate Redding for the female perspective chapters and while they both have soothing voices, they both get very annoying over time. Your dislike of certain characters will increase drastically because of the voices they use for those characters and there's a slight nasal quality to Kramer's voice that really grinds into your brain after 5 hours or so (that's straight listening, mind you). As for listening to a story rather than reading it yourself, the main difference is really just character portrayal. Where, in your mind, you'll have a specific image and voice for that person, the audio book does some of that work for you. It could be considered "robbing your imagination" but I wasn't terribly concerned by it.

But I don't think that's what you were really asking, was it? I was quite capable of dividing my attention equally between work and story. You see, when I refer to work I'm referring to drawing and painting (which is what I study) or digital painting (which is what I do as a hobby that I take way to seriously). The nice thing about this is that very little of my focus actually needs to go into the drawing, which is why I wanted to start listening to audio books in the first place. While I was working I was just sort of... bored. I love drawing but I felt that a 5 hour session slaving over a single drawing or painting needed some more mental stimulation. In that sense, I guess it's good that I found The Wheel of Time dull. Who knows what I would have thought had I been reading something with vivid and evocative imagery? So yes, I was perfectly capable of working and listening effectively, simultaneously. If your work involves something fairly mindless where your attention can wander and still perform effectively at whatever task it is you're doing, by all means audio books are great for that. I think I'll be hunting down some of McCaffrey's books on tape and see how the Pern books fare in that way.

Thanks for reading, guys.
 

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Far more interesting (to me) than your last review. Though it was a bit convoluted at times.

The only glaring fault I found was that the second paragraph should have been split up to 3 or four paragraphs. Great review overall, though a tad bit dry.

EDIT: If your in the market for some good Fantasy novels, Weis and Hickman's The Well of Darkness [http://www.amazon.com/Well-Darkness-Sovereign-Stone-Trilogy/dp/0061020575] and the rest of the Sovereign Stone Trilogy are my favorites. Don't let the boring title put you off, the first book of the series, though this may be nostalgia speaking, breathtaking.

EDIT2: Ohh yeah, and you were right. I would have never guessed you do stand up
 

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Oh yeah, The Wheel of Time. I read that back in High School. Only got as far as the 7th book I think. The story was getting quite interesting, but I think it dragged on too long. I think that by that 7th book he should've been starting to bring it towards the it's ultimate conclusion. ...which I'm given to understand will never actually happen because Jordon passed away before finishing the series.
 

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I find it difficult to disagree more. I think that Jordan was an amazing writer and that the story is about as unique as a fantasy can get. If you boil down any sword and sorcery fantasy series far enough, you will get, sheltered peasant is forced into the world and discovers that his destiny is one of magic, power and intrigue. Said peasant now saves world. Thats why we like it, if you dont, pick a different genre. Jordan's "true source" is an interesting interperetation of magic, adn his world is nicely varied and in my opinion, believable. I will agree that it is a little stale, but not as bad as the op indicated. The people of the world took 3 millenia to recover from the "breaking of the world" far fetched, but understandable, the books allude to technology surpassing ours before the breaking, and by book 6 or so, it is shown that many of these wonders could be returned if young al thor wins his battle with the dark one, "tairmon Gaidon".
 

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I quite disagree with most of the stuff you said. It's still one of my favorite fantasy series of all time. The setting is great, the character development is astoundingly seamless and well-written (go from the first book to even the sixth, and few of the characters are recognizable; go to the twelfth and none of them are), it's one of the few stories that uses realistic culture clash as sources of conflict (even with neighboring countries), the magic system is interesting, and...I just love it.

And book 12 only rekindled that.
 

ThaBenMan

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An interesting review, my friend. I was able to read the first 7 or so books in the series, and quite enjoyed the first 5.

I can see where you're coming from about the characters - they're not nearly as good as, say, the cast of A Song of Ice and Fire. This may sound like kind of a lame excuse, but I think they do get better in later books. And the writing can ramble quite a lot in places.

I do disagree with you about the setting - I think it's quite well-conceived and sets itself apart from a lot of other fantasy worlds. I guess the plot of the first book is pretty cliched, but the backstory is pretty good, and the plot really takes off epically later on.

And I'm wondering how much of a difference it would've made to you if you read the books rather than listened to them on tape...

Anyway, nice review. Maybe try sticking with it at least through the 3rd book?
 

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After hearing positive reviews of this series by my fellow nerd friend, I decided to start in on this series as well. I couldn't agree with you more. Needless to say, I didn't make it very far, but really... for me atleast, it disappointed. I'm curious to know what fellow commenters think of the Saga of Recluce series.
 

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Pimppeter2 said:
Far more interesting (to me) than your last review. Though it was a bit convoluted at times.

The only glaring fault I found was that the second paragraph should have been split up to 3 or four paragraphs. Great review overall, though a tad bit dry.
Thanks there. Well, considering what the last "review" I did I wrote in... July, I think... there have been some drastic changes in what I believed/now believe make a good review, the 3 RWs I've judged really helped that. I chose a drier tone because I feel that humor is so rarely done well in reviews, I probably could write with more personality but I wanted to get the facts out there without any bullshit. I'm not surprised you wouldn't have guessed I do stand-up. Even people who know me personally often don't know until I'm up on stage. I guess the silly, leading into the inane, tendencies of the Escapist user base have formed me into sort of a "straight man" on the net.

spartan231490 said:
I find it difficult to disagree more. I think that Jordan was an amazing writer and that the story is about as unique as a fantasy can get. If you boil down any sword and sorcery fantasy series far enough, you will get, sheltered peasant is forced into the world and discovers that his destiny is one of magic, power and intrigue. Said peasant now saves world. Thats why we like it, if you dont, pick a different genre. Jordan's "true source" is an interesting interperetation of magic, adn his world is nicely varied and in my opinion, believable. I will agree that it is a little stale, but not as bad as the op indicated. The people of the world took 3 millenia to recover from the "breaking of the world" far fetched, but understandable, the books allude to technology surpassing ours before the breaking, and by book 6 or so, it is shown that many of these wonders could be returned if young al thor wins his battle with the dark one, "tairmon Gaidon".
What you said about the sword-and-sorcery genre could not be more wrong. I have read terrific fantasy novels where no world saving, no peasants and very little of the bullshit people seem to think modern fantasy needs, in order to be defined as fantasy. Other than that I can't really argue with your post. Like most things, it's entirely subjective. Needless to say we have vastly different tastes in fantasy.
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ThaBenMan said:
Hey BenMan, long time no see. Glad to see you 'round the forums again.
See, the thing is, I don't really like it now. I'm over half way through the 3rd book and I'm not enjoying it, I don't want to have to trudge through many more hours of audio books just to find out if it gets better.

Since both of you mentioned a good setting what I will say is this: things appeared interesting, at first, to me. I liked the concept of the steadings, the ways and the portal stones I felt like I'd seen before but they worked well enough. The thing is almost every one of those instances of a location I liked did only what it should. It functioned for it's part of the story. It didn't leave me, the reader, with any sense of atmosphere or wonderment at anything and it's important, in world-building, to evoke those feelings. I'll repeat what I said before because I feel this accurately describes this situation, too. I felt like Jordan bit off a bit too much. He created this entire world and insodoing left him with so much to create that they all had a great facade, but after I walked past that they were wooden and empty. Again, arguing about writing is something totally subjective. I can see how people could be drawn into his world. I wasn't, and I felt that my time was better spent with other writers.

We disagree, oh well.
 

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Fightgarr said:
Hey BenMan, long time no see. Glad to see you 'round the forums again.
See, the thing is, I don't really like it now. I'm over half way through the 3rd book and I'm not enjoying it, I don't want to have to trudge through many more hours of audio books just to find out if it gets better.

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We disagree, oh well.
Good to talk with you again, too, man. And like you said, we just disagree. I definitely wouldn't want you to waste time with something you just don't like, at least you gave it a try. And I only got through 7 of 'em myself :)
 

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Sober Thal said:
It's funny, because my favorite characters were originally the females. The females struck me as little less... naive than than the male characters. Funnily enough I hate almost all of the female characters, now. I found myself literally whispering "oh my god, you're such a *****..." on the subway one time while I was listening one of the chapters about Nyneave, Egwene and Elayne, recently. The characters I find bearable are Perrin and Min, and by bearable I mean slightly less annoying... I really think Jordan has poor characterization abilities.
 

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Fightgarr said:
See, the thing is, I don't really like it now. I'm over half way through the 3rd book and I'm not enjoying it, I don't want to have to trudge through many more hours of audio books just to find out if it gets better.
Oh god. I may love the books, but if you have to resort to audio books, I wouldn't blame you for dropping it. I mean, I know you mentioned that in the review itself, but...considering the shortest book (The Great Hunt) is 650 pages long, and Lord of Chaos is close to 1000...it's just hitting me, in other words.

Since both of you mentioned a good setting what I will say is this: things appeared interesting, at first, to me. I liked the concept of the steadings, the ways and the portal stones I felt like I'd seen before but they worked well enough. The thing is almost every one of those instances of a location I liked did only what it should. It functioned for it's part of the story. It didn't leave me, the reader, with any sense of atmosphere or wonderment at anything and it's important, in world-building, to evoke those feelings.
Subjective opinion certainly does it, yes. I know Jordan was deliberately emulating Tolkien early on, and general opinion is that the books start slowing at book seven, not really picking up until eleven (and 12 being an absolute asskicker)...

As for the things, to be honest, I never really paid attention to the steddings, and the portal stones are only relevant in books 2 and 4. Mostly, I've liked the functions of the magic system (especially the male/female dichotomy), the development of the world cultures (and the influence of having the supreme political power in the land be a group of inscrutable female mystics) and the workings of the organizations, especially the channelers (there's ultimately five, four besides the Aes Sedai). Especially after

the White Tower is thrown into civil war between loyalists and rebels.
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a group of male channelers is established.

I'll repeat what I said before because I feel this accurately describes this situation, too. I felt like Jordan bit off a bit too much. He created this entire world and insodoing left him with so much to create that they all had a great facade, but after I walked past that they were wooden and empty.
I'm not arguing (well...I would, but it wouldn't do anything but soothe my ego), I just have to point out the irony of the empty world...that by book 12 has over 1900 named characters. Most of those are one-shots, of course, but even the recurring cast is ginormous (even with the losses).

...

*sigh* I know I shouldn't ask this, but at least give it a chance through book 4 (The Shadow Rising). That's when the status quo of the first books starts to get demolished.

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Fightgarr said:
It's funny, because my favorite characters were originally the females. The females struck me as little less... naive than than the male characters. Funnily enough I hate almost all of the female characters, now. I found myself literally whispering "oh my god, you're such a *****..." on the subway one time while I was listening one of the chapters about Nyneave, Egwene and Elayne, recently. The characters I find bearable are Perrin and Min, and by bearable I mean slightly less annoying... I really think Jordan has poor characterization abilities.
Because I'm required by oath to bring it up, if by some miracle you last to book 12, the characters have reached the apotheosis of their development. Egwene is currently one of my favorite characters again, Nynaeve and Aviendha have fully matured, and even Cadsuane has become mildly tolerable.
 

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Sober Thal said:
I honestly couldn't stand the first part of the audio books tho..... what is your favorite book on tape series? I would love to find some that I can listen to, but to be honest, I love reading books. I am a driver by trade tho, and I would love to have some audio books up my sleeve.
Perhaps. As I said in the review, it is because of the amount of work I'm dealing with that audio books became necessary. If you want to know my favorite audio book series I can't properly answer that for you since this was my first foray into the world of books on tape. Though, if you can get 50s radio plays (preferably mystery), those are really fun to listen to while you draw (or do whatever you happen to be doing).