dropping the bomb on japan? yes or no?

[emeraldrafael]

The Japanese were monsters, war criminals; they deserved complete annihilation. Pity America only had two bombs ready.

Fuck you. I had relatives in Japan during WWII.

I'm sure the Chinese and Americans feel just as outraged about what Japan did. But he's right. If you ignore the precious Geneva Convention the poeple who say the Bombs werent necessary wave around (whihc has no meaning unless you make it have meaning) you are a war criminal. And I'd say what they did in China qualifies it.

 

[Giest4life]

What is done is done, and I care for it not. But I would do it, again, just to put an end to all the JRPG's from spewing out (I hate JRPG's).

 

[Staskala]

Well I will concede that it is impossible to entirely know for certain how they would have reacted, but such a risk, taken unessecarily, could not have been taken by the allies. But from all sources, the people of Japan actually had the fanatisim (christ my spelling just gets worse and worse) that the Germans claimed to have. Consider, from 1941-45 35000 japanese soldiers surrendered. from 1941-1945, 1400000 germans surrendered. That points to, amongst situational differances, a massive cultural gap between the two. But for the most part I agree with you.

Ah sorry for not making that clear, but making a comparision between Germany and Japan in terms of fanatism is something I have a hard time with. First of all, it's hard to judge, second, I'm German.
In general, I'd say that the Japanese displayed more fanatism in society as a whole, whereas German fanatism was especially strong in groups like the SS or Hitler youth, i.e. groups directly affiliated with the party. In the Wehrmacht most higher ups were remains of the Empire and thus more loyal to the country, traditions and the few remains of German monarchy, rather than the Nazi party. The population's support was probably quicker to drop since the Hitler and the NSDAP were "just" a party and its leader not a decendant of the Heavens.

These are however just assumptions.

Yeah, but thats how war is always fought. We are right,t ehy are wrong for reasons a, b, and c. and hey, gotta let him feel he won something.

I'm just saying one more thing to you: I myself consider the bombs to have been the best option for everyone involved (said this like 3 times already...). I just have a hard time with your awful arguments.

 

[Giest4life]

The Japanese were monsters, war criminals; they deserved complete annihilation. Pity America only had two bombs ready.

Fuck you. I had relatives in Japan during WWII.

I'm sure the Chinese and Americans feel just as outraged about what Japan did. But he's right. If you ignore the precious Geneva Convention the poeple who say the Bombs werent necessary wave around (whihc has no meaning unless you make it have meaning) you are a war criminal. And I'd say what they did in China qualifies it.

And the Americans were super sweet? Jesus Fucking Christ, they wouldn't let their own citizens drink from the same water fountain.

It's comments like these when I feel proud of owing no allegiance to any state, religion, or political ideology.

 

[bl4ckh4wk64]

The Japanese were monsters, war criminals; they deserved complete annihilation. Pity America only had two bombs ready.

Fuck you. I had relatives in Japan during WWII.

I'm sure the Chinese and Americans feel just as outraged about what Japan did. But he's right. If you ignore the precious Geneva Convention the poeple who say the Bombs werent necessary wave around (whihc has no meaning unless you make it have meaning) you are a war criminal. And I'd say what they did in China qualifies it.

Now you're saying that its the civies fault for the war crimes in China. No, it's the asshole Army generals that Hirohito appointed. The rest of the Japanese military, Adm. Yamamoto especially, despised what was going on. Also, being an American citizen in California with both my grandmother and many of my uncles put in the American concentration camps, I can say that the Americans over-reacted. Yes, they had reason to be outraged, but by putting everyone who was 1/16th Japanese or more in a concentration camp was a complete over-reaction. I mean, Hitler didn't even go past a quarter Jewish...

 

[Saltyk]

I'd say it was a necessary evil. Compared to an invasion, it saved lives on both sides. It cost far less than a long, large scale invasion, which I think was important considering the scale of the war.

Also, it showed the world the destructive power of nuclear weapons. I think this is a valid consideration. We all have an aversion to ever using nuclear weapons for any purpose ever again. Which we may not have had if not for the demonstration of it's true power. And keep in mind that modern nuclear weapons are far more powerful than what was dropped in Japan.

I'm sorry for the loss of life, but such losses are unavoidable in war. May we never have to do so again.

 

[The Man With the Soap]

To Americans, the lives of fellow Americans should be worth more than the lives of America's enemies. Yes, we shopuld have dropped the bombs, which is why we did.

 

[emeraldrafael]

The Japanese were monsters, war criminals; they deserved complete annihilation. Pity America only had two bombs ready.

Fuck you. I had relatives in Japan during WWII.

I'm sure the Chinese and Americans feel just as outraged about what Japan did. But he's right. If you ignore the precious Geneva Convention the poeple who say the Bombs werent necessary wave around (whihc has no meaning unless you make it have meaning) you are a war criminal. And I'd say what they did in China qualifies it.

And the Americans were super sweet? Jesus Fucking Christ, they wouldn't let their own citizens drink from the same water fountain.

It's comments like these when I feel proud of owing no allegiance to any state, religion, or political ideology.

Yeah. I'll admit, it was a dark time. But hey, least they were free. Least we were killing them. Least we made strides. Besides, that was the home policy. Military service brings down all racial barriers. And we werent breaking the Geneva Convention with Segregation, so that arguement is invalid.

Disclaimer: I do not support segregation and am an avid supporter that everyone has equal rights. which is why I'm campaigning to have the mosque be built at ground zero. but thats a completely different thread and discusion entirely.

 

[Giest4life]

The Japanese were monsters, war criminals; they deserved complete annihilation. Pity America only had two bombs ready.

Fuck you. I had relatives in Japan during WWII.

I'm sure the Chinese and Americans feel just as outraged about what Japan did. But he's right. If you ignore the precious Geneva Convention the poeple who say the Bombs werent necessary wave around (whihc has no meaning unless you make it have meaning) you are a war criminal. And I'd say what they did in China qualifies it.

And the Americans were super sweet? Jesus Fucking Christ, they wouldn't let their own citizens drink from the same water fountain.

It's comments like these when I feel proud of owing no allegiance to any state, religion, or political ideology.

Yeah. I'll admit, it was a dark time. But hey, least they were free. Least we were killing them. Least we made strides. Besides, that was the home policy. Military service brings down all racial barriers. And we werent breaking the Geneva Convention with Segregation, so that arguement is invalid.

Disclaimer: I do not support segregation and am an avid supporter that everyone has equal rights. which is why I'm campaigning to have the mosque be built at ground zero. but thats a completely different thread and discusion entirely.

Does anyone want to speak, now, for the near 100 million Native "Americans," or the nearly 92,000 that have died as "collateral" damage in Afghanistan?

 

[emeraldrafael]

The Japanese were monsters, war criminals; they deserved complete annihilation. Pity America only had two bombs ready.

Fuck you. I had relatives in Japan during WWII.

I'm sure the Chinese and Americans feel just as outraged about what Japan did. But he's right. If you ignore the precious Geneva Convention the poeple who say the Bombs werent necessary wave around (whihc has no meaning unless you make it have meaning) you are a war criminal. And I'd say what they did in China qualifies it.

Now you're saying that its the civies fault for the war crimes in China. No, it's the asshole Army generals that Hirohito appointed. The rest of the Japanese military, Adm. Yamamoto especially, despised what was going on. Also, being an American citizen in California with both my grandmother and many of my uncles put in the American concentration camps, I can say that the Americans over-reacted. Yes, they had reason to be outraged, but by putting everyone who was 1/16th Japanese or more in a concentration camp was a complete over-reaction. I mean, Hitler didn't even go past a quarter Jewish...

yeah. But Hitler didnt have people in such great numbers like we did living so close to populated areas with the same freedoms to arm themselves. Yes it was wrong, and no, i'm not blaming the citizens. But to say fuck you and then say your relatives were in Japan at the time without distiinguishing what they were in the war leads to interpretation.


And dont ever say it was a concentration camp. I"m something like 1/6 Jewish, and the INTERNMENT camps were no where near a concentration camp.

 

[Paulie92]

After all the other terrible crap (Rape of Nanking, D'Day and The Battle of Stalingrad. Which are the first few that come to mind) I think that ending the war as suddenly and definitively as possible was necessary rather than letting thousands more die in a long drawn out battle

Obviously nuclear bombs and the decades of radiation over Hiroshima and Nagasaki is terrible and should be avoided

I don't think America can be blamed for their actions and in a similar situation today I think another bombing could be justified though I wouldn't want to be the person that has to make the decision

 

[emeraldrafael]

The Japanese were monsters, war criminals; they deserved complete annihilation. Pity America only had two bombs ready.

Fuck you. I had relatives in Japan during WWII.

I'm sure the Chinese and Americans feel just as outraged about what Japan did. But he's right. If you ignore the precious Geneva Convention the poeple who say the Bombs werent necessary wave around (whihc has no meaning unless you make it have meaning) you are a war criminal. And I'd say what they did in China qualifies it.

And the Americans were super sweet? Jesus Fucking Christ, they wouldn't let their own citizens drink from the same water fountain.

It's comments like these when I feel proud of owing no allegiance to any state, religion, or political ideology.

Yeah. I'll admit, it was a dark time. But hey, least they were free. Least we were killing them. Least we made strides. Besides, that was the home policy. Military service brings down all racial barriers. And we werent breaking the Geneva Convention with Segregation, so that arguement is invalid.

Disclaimer: I do not support segregation and am an avid supporter that everyone has equal rights. which is why I'm campaigning to have the mosque be built at ground zero. but thats a completely different thread and discusion entirely.

Does anyone want to speak, now, for the near 100 million Native "Americans," or the nearly 92,000 that have died as "collateral" damage in Afghanistan?

Meaning??? What? Cause if you mean when Native people of the North American Continent were dying through a genocide that I dont htink can ever be equaled (say wat will you will, be Tribes and Cultures were eraditcated by the tens and hundreds), the Geneva Convention was never in effect, whihc is what the issue i rbought up was about.

As for the Afghanis, its like i said, that little peice of paper only has as much power as you make it have.

Listen, I'd love to give an apology for America and for the Human race for that matter for all the shit its down to itself, but hte world's just not that happy of a place.

 

[ReinofFire]

It was a necessary thing at the time. Wars like World War II cannot be won without some type of bloodshed.

However think of this, many people say that the Americans were "wrong" in doing this and were just looking for a quick way to kill a bunch of people. Sort of a evil way of putting it. At the tim it was the only way for Japan to surrender without loss to America.
Now, there is also in a book that everyone knows a story about an omnipotent being that has the power of mass genocide (and in many occasions has actually used it) but when asked about the morality of the situation it all boils down to "well since he is powerful he is right". I am of course referring to God though religion is the last thing I want to fight over.
How is it that two equally powerful things hold the power of mass destruction, has used this power several times, but only one of them is blamed for everything? This can put into perspective the rationality of the Americans choice to bomb Japan, and put the light of morality on the whole "God of wrath" thing.

Maybe we just need to think more about other times where destruction was a necessity to find out that looking at the world as black and white with a little grey is not that smart.

Hope this looks right, put a lot of thought into this.

 

[HeySeansOnline]

War cannot be justified in general, it is a horrible, horrible thing. And World War Two had a lot of horrible, horrible atrocities besides the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagisake. There was of course the Holocaust, Pearl Harbor, and the many lives lost on all sides.

Now if we had invaded we would've lost a million men, that was the projected losses if I'm right. Every citizen as well as soldier would've put up a fight. We gave Japan ample warning, twice. Dropping papers, warnings, messages. We saw no surrender.

Yes it was horrible, many innocents lost their lives that day, not to mention the after effects of radiation. This can not be justified, but more so understood. All people have done terrible things, as well as Japan, have you ever heard of the rape of Nanking? If you look it up you will see their are no innoscent.

But as for the bomb, no, it was not justified. But when we look at the war as a whole, especially the side Japan was fighting for, the atrocities that were happening, and of course the attack on Pearl Harbor, as well as the brutal island hopping it took to get to that point, we can understand.

(I apologize if that this is a wall of text, as well as it possibly being stated poorly, I hope you can get what I'm saying overall.)

 

[YoBadMama]

Yes. I agree with maddawg IAJI.

 

[bl4ckh4wk64]

The Japanese were monsters, war criminals; they deserved complete annihilation. Pity America only had two bombs ready.

Fuck you. I had relatives in Japan during WWII.

I'm sure the Chinese and Americans feel just as outraged about what Japan did. But he's right. If you ignore the precious Geneva Convention the poeple who say the Bombs werent necessary wave around (whihc has no meaning unless you make it have meaning) you are a war criminal. And I'd say what they did in China qualifies it.

And the Americans were super sweet? Jesus Fucking Christ, they wouldn't let their own citizens drink from the same water fountain.

It's comments like these when I feel proud of owing no allegiance to any state, religion, or political ideology.

Yeah. I'll admit, it was a dark time. But hey, least they were free. Least we were killing them. Least we made strides. Besides, that was the home policy. Military service brings down all racial barriers. And we werent breaking the Geneva Convention with Segregation, so that arguement is invalid.

Disclaimer: I do not support segregation and am an avid supporter that everyone has equal rights. which is why I'm campaigning to have the mosque be built at ground zero. but thats a completely different thread and discusion entirely.

"We weren't killing them." Comments like this show how completely wrong the American education system is. If they don't like it, let's not teach it! The concentration camps were surrounded by barbed wire. If anybody that even looked Asian walked within 3 feet of that barbed wire, they were shot. They were forced to live in horse stables, not just a single person to a stable either. I'm talking multiple families in a stable meant for one horse. They were treated like barbarians. You want to talk about war crimes, talk about how people could do this to their OWN PEOPLE. Don't even say they were compensated. They were given 10,000$ if they were lucky, and this was only once about 3/4 of them had died. Also, if you were born in a camp, or you were a minor when you were forced in, you weren't part of the list to be compensated. Thus reducing the money paid to them. America just wiped this out of the history books because it doesn't suit their opinion of themselves.

 

[Spencer Petersen]

Yeah, basically Truman had 3 options
1. Demonstrate the bomb to Japanese officials, although the bombs in testing had a crappy detonation rate, they only had about 3 left, and misfires would cement Japanese resistance as well as leave too few to actually utilize in plan #3
2. Invade the Japanese mainland, which experts at the time were predicting would result in over 1 million American deaths and untold amounts of Japanese dead, as high as 10 million
3. Drop 2 bombs on isolated Japanese cities to prove their destructive capabilities

It was a nasty situation regardless, add in the factor of pressure from Russia and you can hardly blame them for going with the most fail-proof plan

 

[Romidude]

It was one way to get things done like a pussy, sure the Japanese wouldn't stop, but seriously, and it was all innocent people.

 

[Giest4life]

The Japanese were monsters, war criminals; they deserved complete annihilation. Pity America only had two bombs ready.

Fuck you. I had relatives in Japan during WWII.

I'm sure the Chinese and Americans feel just as outraged about what Japan did. But he's right. If you ignore the precious Geneva Convention the poeple who say the Bombs werent necessary wave around (whihc has no meaning unless you make it have meaning) you are a war criminal. And I'd say what they did in China qualifies it.

And the Americans were super sweet? Jesus Fucking Christ, they wouldn't let their own citizens drink from the same water fountain.

It's comments like these when I feel proud of owing no allegiance to any state, religion, or political ideology.

Yeah. I'll admit, it was a dark time. But hey, least they were free. Least we were killing them. Least we made strides. Besides, that was the home policy. Military service brings down all racial barriers. And we werent breaking the Geneva Convention with Segregation, so that arguement is invalid.

Disclaimer: I do not support segregation and am an avid supporter that everyone has equal rights. which is why I'm campaigning to have the mosque be built at ground zero. but thats a completely different thread and discusion entirely.

Does anyone want to speak, now, for the near 100 million Native "Americans," or the nearly 92,000 that have died as "collateral" damage in Afghanistan?

Meaning??? What? Cause if you mean when Native people of the North American Continent were dying through a genocide that I dont htink can ever be equaled (say wat will you will, be Tribes and Cultures were eraditcated by the tens and hundreds), the Geneva Convention was never in effect, whihc is what the issue i rbought up was about.

As for the Afghanis, its like i said, that little peice of paper only has as much power as you make it have.

Listen, I'd love to give an apology for America and for the Human race for that matter for all the shit its down to itself, but hte world's just not that happy of a place.

Here's another one for you, dear: giving others syphilis [http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6903RZ20101001]

Also, I'm not "trying" to bash American ethics, all I'm trying to say it is that America, as a country, is no better and no worse than any other country. They, along with everybody else, have pulled the same shit as every other nation has given the chance.

Also, on another level, I find terms like "evil" "barbaric" and "brutal" as meaningless. These notions simply aren't real.

 

[emeraldrafael]

The Japanese were monsters, war criminals; they deserved complete annihilation. Pity America only had two bombs ready.

Fuck you. I had relatives in Japan during WWII.

I'm sure the Chinese and Americans feel just as outraged about what Japan did. But he's right. If you ignore the precious Geneva Convention the poeple who say the Bombs werent necessary wave around (whihc has no meaning unless you make it have meaning) you are a war criminal. And I'd say what they did in China qualifies it.

And the Americans were super sweet? Jesus Fucking Christ, they wouldn't let their own citizens drink from the same water fountain.

It's comments like these when I feel proud of owing no allegiance to any state, religion, or political ideology.

Yeah. I'll admit, it was a dark time. But hey, least they were free. Least we were killing them. Least we made strides. Besides, that was the home policy. Military service brings down all racial barriers. And we werent breaking the Geneva Convention with Segregation, so that arguement is invalid.

Disclaimer: I do not support segregation and am an avid supporter that everyone has equal rights. which is why I'm campaigning to have the mosque be built at ground zero. but thats a completely different thread and discusion entirely.

"We weren't killing them." Comments like this show how completely wrong the American education system is. If they don't like it, let's not teach it! The concentration camps were surrounded by barbed wire. If anybody that even looked Asian walked within 3 feet of that barbed wire, they were shot. They were forced to live in horse stables, not just a single person to a stable either. I'm talking multiple families in a stable meant for one horse. They were treated like barbarians. You want to talk about war crimes, talk about how people could do this to their OWN PEOPLE. Don't even say they were compensated. They were given 10,000$ if they were lucky, and this was only once about 3/4 of them had died. Also, if you were born in a camp, or you were a minor when you were forced in, you weren't part of the list to be compensated. Thus reducing the money paid to them. America just wiped this out of the history books because it doesn't suit their opinion of themselves.

Marshall law went into effect, I'm not saying wat America did was right or wrong. But I'll tell you one thing. At least you were given something. Jewish people lost everyhting when they went to that camp. The had nothing coming out. They were rsuhed into furnaces and given toxic gas showers to kill them off. America NEVER took that drastic of a step with its people. Hell, a Jew could be shot in the camp for shits and giggles. Plus, you werent experimented on. So dont ever compare yourselves to the plight of MY people. you wont win. You are insignificant in comparison to 6 million+ people killed with no hope. You still had rights at the least.