dropping the bomb on japan? yes or no?

[CitySquirrel]

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Your clever little analogy would have made more sense if you used the rocks to bash open the skulls of his infant children.

This would not have worked. Because the Japanese government never surrendered even after the 2 cities had been destroyed. Hirohito (the emperor) is the one who decided to give up, and the rest of the government tried to kill him because of that in a coup and just barely failed.

If by "rest of the government" you mean "some members of the military" then sure.

How hard is it for the so called "pacifists" on the site to cram it into their heads that the Japanese simply weren't ever planning on surrendering no matter what happened?

Yea, the atomic bombings were terrible and all of that, but most of the people who who claim it wasn't needed are typically either poorly informed twats who just like to badmouth America (note that I am not American) or some anti-military nuts.

I'll ignore the logical fallacies here (mostly appeal to ridicule... okay I didn't ignore them) but I could just say the exact same thing to you only replace a few words and reverse the argument. This is, of course, because this is a non-argument, just a bunch of name calling. It has failed to convince me of the rightness of your position.

 

[emeraldrafael]

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Here's another one for you, dear: giving others syphilis [http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6903RZ20101001]

Also, I'm not "trying" to bash American ethics, all I'm trying to say it is that America, as a country, is no better and no worse than any other country. They, along with everybody else, have pulled the same shit as every other nation has given the chance.

Also, on another level, I find terms like "evil" "barbaric" and "brutal" as meaningless. These notions simply aren't real.[/quote]
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Oh, i read that. Well, heard about it. That was seedy, but as you said, America is no better nor worse then any other country. I'm not saying America was angelic. But We still attempt to hold together laws set by common people. There's a reason they didnt just roll through the middle east with tanks and level everyhting, or pepper with napalm like they did in Vietnam, like they could have. I'm just saying, for what AMerica CAN do, they are very reserved in how they fight and atrociaties they commit.

EDIT: yeah, that quote snip thing didnt work out too welll.

 

[bl4ckh4wk64]

The Japanese were monsters, war criminals; they deserved complete annihilation. Pity America only had two bombs ready.

Fuck you. I had relatives in Japan during WWII.

I'm sure the Chinese and Americans feel just as outraged about what Japan did. But he's right. If you ignore the precious Geneva Convention the poeple who say the Bombs werent necessary wave around (whihc has no meaning unless you make it have meaning) you are a war criminal. And I'd say what they did in China qualifies it.

And the Americans were super sweet? Jesus Fucking Christ, they wouldn't let their own citizens drink from the same water fountain.

It's comments like these when I feel proud of owing no allegiance to any state, religion, or political ideology.

Yeah. I'll admit, it was a dark time. But hey, least they were free. Least we were killing them. Least we made strides. Besides, that was the home policy. Military service brings down all racial barriers. And we werent breaking the Geneva Convention with Segregation, so that arguement is invalid.

Disclaimer: I do not support segregation and am an avid supporter that everyone has equal rights. which is why I'm campaigning to have the mosque be built at ground zero. but thats a completely different thread and discusion entirely.

"We weren't killing them." Comments like this show how completely wrong the American education system is. If they don't like it, let's not teach it! The concentration camps were surrounded by barbed wire. If anybody that even looked Asian walked within 3 feet of that barbed wire, they were shot. They were forced to live in horse stables, not just a single person to a stable either. I'm talking multiple families in a stable meant for one horse. They were treated like barbarians. You want to talk about war crimes, talk about how people could do this to their OWN PEOPLE. Don't even say they were compensated. They were given 10,000$ if they were lucky, and this was only once about 3/4 of them had died. Also, if you were born in a camp, or you were a minor when you were forced in, you weren't part of the list to be compensated. Thus reducing the money paid to them. America just wiped this out of the history books because it doesn't suit their opinion of themselves.

Marshall law went into effect, I'm not saying wat America did was right or wrong. But I'll tell you one thing. At least you were given something. Jewish people lost everyhting when they went to that camp. The had nothing coming out. They were rsuhed into furnaces and given toxic gas showers to kill them off. America NEVER took that drastic of a step with its people. Hell, a Jew could be shot in the camp for shits and giggles. Plus, you were experimented on. So dont ever compare yourselves to the plight of MY people. you wont win. You are insignificant in comparison to 6 million+ people killed with no hope. You still had rights at the least.

No, they didn't have rights. The Japanese in these concentration camps were treated like animals as well. Also, there's multiple books and movies about the Holocaust. Germany officially apologized, and Israel was created. I'm not saying that's any kind of repayment, but at least it's something. How many stories have you read about the injustices done to the Japanese during WWII? Maybe one. The only people speaking out about this are the people who either lived through it or their relatives. Did you know that on Oahu they lynched people merely for looking Japanese? These are people that everyone else had known for years, and they up and lynched them for fear of them being spies or "those damned Japs." The Japanese also had everything taken away from them. The ones that owned stores had their stores sold or taken by other people, and their houses were all sold. Also, what were the Japanese given? The measly amount of money given to them does nothing for the injustices. If a Japanese person enlisted in the American military, they were sent off and if they made it back, they were thrown straight back into the camps. Nowadays, America does not choose to recognize this, they prefer to live without the knowledge of their crimes. But hey, ignorance is bliss right?

 

[Giest4life]

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Here's another one for you, dear: giving others syphilis [http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6903RZ20101001]

Also, I'm not "trying" to bash American ethics, all I'm trying to say it is that America, as a country, is no better and no worse than any other country. They, along with everybody else, have pulled the same shit as every other nation has given the chance.

Also, on another level, I find terms like "evil" "barbaric" and "brutal" as meaningless. These notions simply aren't real.

Oh, i read that. Well, heard about it. That was seedy, but as you said, America is no better nor worse then any other country. I'm not saying America was angelic. But We still attempt to hold together laws set by common people. There's a reason they didnt just roll through the middle east with tanks and level everyhting, or pepper with napalm like they did in Vietnam, like they could have. I'm just saying, for what AMerica CAN do, they are very reserved in how they fight and atrociaties they commit.[/quote]

No, the reason for that is cowardice. Americans have an "image" to uphold. Also, what of this "law" do you speak? There is NO LAW that America hasn't created, and then broken for herself. Even the sacred First Amendment rights were annulled for her citizens during the civil war, to the despicable Patriot Act. They just change their "laws" to fit their narrative. If I'm wrong, tell me ONE law that they have always kept consistent throughout the ages? And this just doesn't go for America, it holds true for every other nation in the world.

 

[CarlsonAndPeeters]

I'm going to put in my two cents that this question is meaningless. Sure it makes for interesting philosophical discussions (or more often then not, angry ranting), but the fact remains that the bombings happened.

Its very hard to argue that Truman was wrong to drop the bomb. The war had been going on for years. Millions of Americans had died. The Japanese did not look like they were going to surrender. We didn't want the Russians to get involved in that theater. We needed to put a stop to everything.

Likewise, its very hard to argue that murdering thousands of civilians is right. Its like my position on the death penalty: its just wrong.

So maybe I wouldn't repeat the bombings. If I had control, I would like to think that I would not have pushed the button. But I 100% understand why Truman did it. So in the end, one was morally wrong (in my view), but it was way more justified then a lot of other atrocities, like internment.

 

[Death God]

You sound like you have already made up your mind. However, I will suggest a hypothetical: iimagine a scenario where we contacted the Japanese government and told them "please observe this small uninhabited island over here." Then, BOOM. "Now, you have 24 hours to surrender or that will happen to several undisclosed locations within your country."

I'm with you on this. Easier but when dealing with war, nobody would listen to that idea.

 

[Staskala]

It was a necessary thing at the time. Wars like World War II cannot be won without some type of bloodshed.

However think of this, many people say that the Americans were "wrong" in doing this and were just looking for a quick way to kill a bunch of people. Sort of a evil way of putting it. At the tim it was the only way for Japan to surrender without loss to America.
Now, there is also in a book that everyone knows a story about an omnipotent being that has the power of mass genocide (and in many occasions has actually used it) but when asked about the morality of the situation it all boils down to "well since he is powerful he is right". I am of course referring to God though religion is the last thing I want to fight over.
How is it that two equally powerful things hold the power of mass destruction, has used this power several times, but only one of them is blamed for everything? This can put into perspective the rationality of the Americans choice to bomb Japan, and put the light of morality on the whole "God of wrath" thing.

Maybe we just need to think more about other times where destruction was a necessity to find out that looking at the world as black and white with a little grey is not that smart.

Hope this looks right, put a lot of thought into this.

Well, the nukes were the only way to make Japan unconditionally surrender to America, yes, but the war would have ended without much more bloodshed anyway. Japan was ready to surrender to the allies if it would remain a monarchy, though the allies didn't want to make any concessions. Japan was theoretically ready to surrender to Russia, which would have allowed them to remain a monarchy but Hirohito feared a coup-de-etat from the Soviets.
The nukes were the "best" way to end the war, but neither the way with the least bloodshed nor the "most good" way.

About your "only America is blamed" thing:
Depends on who you're talking to. The average Chinese or Korean person would instantly agree with the American position, for the rest of the world you'll get mixed views.
It is only natural, since not all people have the same set of morals. I'd say that the bombs were the "necessary evil" to create a more stable world, but in no way do I expect everyone to agree with me.

 

[emeraldrafael]

The Japanese were monsters, war criminals; they deserved complete annihilation. Pity America only had two bombs ready.

Fuck you. I had relatives in Japan during WWII.

I'm sure the Chinese and Americans feel just as outraged about what Japan did. But he's right. If you ignore the precious Geneva Convention the poeple who say the Bombs werent necessary wave around (whihc has no meaning unless you make it have meaning) you are a war criminal. And I'd say what they did in China qualifies it.

And the Americans were super sweet? Jesus Fucking Christ, they wouldn't let their own citizens drink from the same water fountain.

It's comments like these when I feel proud of owing no allegiance to any state, religion, or political ideology.

Yeah. I'll admit, it was a dark time. But hey, least they were free. Least we were killing them. Least we made strides. Besides, that was the home policy. Military service brings down all racial barriers. And we werent breaking the Geneva Convention with Segregation, so that arguement is invalid.

Disclaimer: I do not support segregation and am an avid supporter that everyone has equal rights. which is why I'm campaigning to have the mosque be built at ground zero. but thats a completely different thread and discusion entirely.

"We weren't killing them." Comments like this show how completely wrong the American education system is. If they don't like it, let's not teach it! The concentration camps were surrounded by barbed wire. If anybody that even looked Asian walked within 3 feet of that barbed wire, they were shot. They were forced to live in horse stables, not just a single person to a stable either. I'm talking multiple families in a stable meant for one horse. They were treated like barbarians. You want to talk about war crimes, talk about how people could do this to their OWN PEOPLE. Don't even say they were compensated. They were given 10,000$ if they were lucky, and this was only once about 3/4 of them had died. Also, if you were born in a camp, or you were a minor when you were forced in, you weren't part of the list to be compensated. Thus reducing the money paid to them. America just wiped this out of the history books because it doesn't suit their opinion of themselves.

Marshall law went into effect, I'm not saying wat America did was right or wrong. But I'll tell you one thing. At least you were given something. Jewish people lost everyhting when they went to that camp. The had nothing coming out. They were rsuhed into furnaces and given toxic gas showers to kill them off. America NEVER took that drastic of a step with its people. Hell, a Jew could be shot in the camp for shits and giggles. Plus, you were experimented on. So dont ever compare yourselves to the plight of MY people. you wont win. You are insignificant in comparison to 6 million+ people killed with no hope. You still had rights at the least.

No, they didn't have rights. The Japanese in these concentration camps were treated like animals as well. Also, there's multiple books and movies about the Holocaust. Germany officially apologized, and Israel was created. I'm not saying that's any kind of repayment, but at least it's something. How many stories have you read about the injustices done to the Japanese during WWII? Maybe one. The only people speaking out about this are the people who either lived through it or their relatives. Did you know that on Oahu they lynched people merely for looking Japanese? These are people that everyone else had known for years, and they up and lynched them for fear of them being spies or "those damned Japs." The Japanese also had everything taken away from them. The ones that owned stores had their stores sold or taken by other people, and their houses were all sold. Also, what were the Japanese given? The measly amount of money given to them does nothing for the injustices. If a Japanese person enlisted in the American military, they were sent off and if they made it back, they were thrown straight back into the camps. Nowadays, America does not choose to recognize this, they prefer to live without the knowledge of their crimes. But hey, ignorance is bliss right?

Thats not the point. There was the never the merciless death and eradication there was in Germany. And they were given a Country, without limits in the common day. So far as I know, Germany still cant have a standing army of over 100K soldiers, and its closely monitored. And my, what a great gift Isreal was. You sent jews from one slaughter to another. Here, let my people get on their knees and cry to the good gods above about the blessings we received. The blessing where children are born into war, where they have to know how to hold a gun and kill someone when they're nine. When they have to worry every day, every minute, every second that there way of life might be taken away, and once again they will be homeless. Thank you, just, THANK YOU! You moved them, sayin it was a better land and lying. However can the Jewish people repay you and your generosity?

 

[StarCecil]

I don't understand. The question is whether or not we should have dropped the bombs, when only 150,000 - 250,000 japanese died, compared to the possible millions that would have otherwise? That's not even a question. 25 million Soviets died in the war. Britain was bombed for months on end. Berlin was burned to the ground. Yet stopping the deaths of millions is questionable?

Japan wasn't going to surrender, that's fact. They were training civilians to fight with pikes and children to act as suicide bombers against tanks. They were already out of supplies, and still planning on fighting. Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were valid military targets, due to major munitions stores and the headquarters of a major portion of the Japanese military.

Dropping the bombs isn't even a question.

 

[vento 231]

All is fair in love and war, they would have killed twice as many if we didn't.

 

[MikeOfThunder]

Been doing this in lectures recently actually.

One general honestly believed that it would take no less than seven atomic bombs until the Japanese surrendered.

It's easy to put it in such a simple context really but there were several factors that caused the United States to lauch such devastation upon its enemies.

1. Japan was going to fall, this was obvious. The Soviet Union declared war on Japan just before the second world war was brought to a conclude. America may have wanted to flex its muscle in Asia to make the USSR back down. The Potsdam conference was actually pushed back so that Truman knew he had a fully tested atomic bomb as a useable weapon of war.

2. (As you stated) Many, many people would have died invading the Japanese islands. Already the death toll was high on some of the smaller isles that had been captured and the American military believed that it would be a 'street for street' battle with high civilian casualties. Infact 500,000 purple hearts were printed just before the abandonment of 'Operation Downfall' (Invasion of Japan) and to this day they have still not all been used. Some generals believed that casualties would be anywhere between 1.5 and 4 million American soldiers with a further few hundred thousand British. Japanese casualties were estimated anywhere between 5-10 million. The atomic bombs could quite possibly of saved millions.

3. The Manhatten project had cost roughly two billion dollars. Need i say more.

Bare in mind that when the second bomb was dropped there was a military coup to try and stop the Japanese government from surrendering still.

There is however a massive counter arguement that does hold plenty of evidence to support the fact that Japan might have been willing to surrender providing that the Empeoror remained.

Personally, i think its somewhat of a terrible poetry that 'The most destructive war humanity has ever fought should end with the most devastating weapons that have ever been built".

Was it right to drop the bombs? ...It was war, ultimate, limitless war.

(Sorry for the lack of any evidence/sources, everything i have wrote is from memory and i just can't be arsed searching for historians and shit.)

 

[ICanBreakTheseCuffs]

You sound like you have already made up your mind. However, I will suggest a hypothetical: iimagine a scenario where we contacted the Japanese government and told them "please observe this small uninhabited island over here." Then, BOOM. "Now, you have 24 hours to surrender or that will happen to several undisclosed locations within your country."

They were going to do that but they didn't know if it worked and even if it worked,why would the Japanese send people over to the American side to watch this "special bomb" they created.The Japanese people at that time were told the Americans EAT WOMEN AND CHILDREN!so no I don't think thats possible

[edit]and they couldn't post the test results on youtube either

 

[bl4ckh4wk64]

The Japanese were monsters, war criminals; they deserved complete annihilation. Pity America only had two bombs ready.

Fuck you. I had relatives in Japan during WWII.

I'm sure the Chinese and Americans feel just as outraged about what Japan did. But he's right. If you ignore the precious Geneva Convention the poeple who say the Bombs werent necessary wave around (whihc has no meaning unless you make it have meaning) you are a war criminal. And I'd say what they did in China qualifies it.

And the Americans were super sweet? Jesus Fucking Christ, they wouldn't let their own citizens drink from the same water fountain.

It's comments like these when I feel proud of owing no allegiance to any state, religion, or political ideology.

Yeah. I'll admit, it was a dark time. But hey, least they were free. Least we were killing them. Least we made strides. Besides, that was the home policy. Military service brings down all racial barriers. And we werent breaking the Geneva Convention with Segregation, so that arguement is invalid.

Disclaimer: I do not support segregation and am an avid supporter that everyone has equal rights. which is why I'm campaigning to have the mosque be built at ground zero. but thats a completely different thread and discusion entirely.

"We weren't killing them." Comments like this show how completely wrong the American education system is. If they don't like it, let's not teach it! The concentration camps were surrounded by barbed wire. If anybody that even looked Asian walked within 3 feet of that barbed wire, they were shot. They were forced to live in horse stables, not just a single person to a stable either. I'm talking multiple families in a stable meant for one horse. They were treated like barbarians. You want to talk about war crimes, talk about how people could do this to their OWN PEOPLE. Don't even say they were compensated. They were given 10,000$ if they were lucky, and this was only once about 3/4 of them had died. Also, if you were born in a camp, or you were a minor when you were forced in, you weren't part of the list to be compensated. Thus reducing the money paid to them. America just wiped this out of the history books because it doesn't suit their opinion of themselves.

Marshall law went into effect, I'm not saying wat America did was right or wrong. But I'll tell you one thing. At least you were given something. Jewish people lost everyhting when they went to that camp. The had nothing coming out. They were rsuhed into furnaces and given toxic gas showers to kill them off. America NEVER took that drastic of a step with its people. Hell, a Jew could be shot in the camp for shits and giggles. Plus, you were experimented on. So dont ever compare yourselves to the plight of MY people. you wont win. You are insignificant in comparison to 6 million+ people killed with no hope. You still had rights at the least.

No, they didn't have rights. The Japanese in these concentration camps were treated like animals as well. Also, there's multiple books and movies about the Holocaust. Germany officially apologized, and Israel was created. I'm not saying that's any kind of repayment, but at least it's something. How many stories have you read about the injustices done to the Japanese during WWII? Maybe one. The only people speaking out about this are the people who either lived through it or their relatives. Did you know that on Oahu they lynched people merely for looking Japanese? These are people that everyone else had known for years, and they up and lynched them for fear of them being spies or "those damned Japs." The Japanese also had everything taken away from them. The ones that owned stores had their stores sold or taken by other people, and their houses were all sold. Also, what were the Japanese given? The measly amount of money given to them does nothing for the injustices. If a Japanese person enlisted in the American military, they were sent off and if they made it back, they were thrown straight back into the camps. Nowadays, America does not choose to recognize this, they prefer to live without the knowledge of their crimes. But hey, ignorance is bliss right?

Thats not the point. There was the never the merciless death and eradication there was in Germany. And they were given a Country, without limits in the common day. So far as I know, Germany still cant have a standing army of over 100K soldiers, and its closely monitored. And my, what a great gift Isreal was. You sent jews from one slaughter to another. Here, let my people get on their knees and cry to the good gods above about the blessings we received. The blessing where children are born into war, where they have to know how to hold a gun and kill someone when they're nine. When they have to worry every day, every minute, every second that there way of life might be taken away, and once again they will be homeless. Thank you, just, THANK YOU! You moved them, sayin it was a better land and lying. However can the Jewish people repay you and your generosity?

Your sarcasm amuses me. Also, are you saying that the Japanese are allowed to have a large standing army? The Germans are allowed Main Battle Tanks, a Navy, and an Air Force. The Japanese military consists of a few battalions of men, light tanks, maybe a main battle tank from the Vietnam era, and decrepit old fighters the U.S. gave them. The only reason Japan isn't under either Chinese or North Korean rule right now is because of the protection the U.S. is providing. They can't even make metal airsoft guns because of a ban the U.S. put on them. From what I know, Germany's military is not closely monitored and they can build whatever they want to. The next time you try to counter argue something, know the facts and try and read the last comment, where did I ever say that what was given to the Jews after WWII was worth anything? I merely stated that it had been recognized and that there was at least some effort put towards making up for it whereas the injustices dealt towards the Japanese were simply written out of the history books.

 

[bl4ckh4wk64]

I don't understand. The question is whether or not we should have dropped the bombs, when only 150,000 - 250,000 japanese died, compared to the possible millions that would have otherwise? That's not even a question. 25 million Soviets died in the war. Britain was bombed for months on end. Berlin was burned to the ground. Yet stopping the deaths of millions is questionable?

Japan wasn't going to surrender, that's fact. They were training civilians to fight with pikes and children to act as suicide bombers against tanks. They were already out of supplies, and still planning on fighting. Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were valid military targets, due to major munitions stores and the headquarters of a major portion of the Japanese military.

Dropping the bombs isn't even a question.

Also the Japanese Naval Academy was right outside of Hiroshima.

 

[SplattererRoss]

No, the bombs shouldn't have been dropped on either of the cities, or dropped at all. Think about it, would the Cold War have been nearly as bad if nobody knew about nuclear weapons but the US? How many countries would have nukes today if the world didn't see the destruction done to Japan?

 

[CitySquirrel]

the Japanese send people over to the American side to watch this "special bomb" they created.

Seriously? That is the only way you can see that going down?

 

[TeeBs]

I think we should nuke every losing country every once in a while, keeps them in line.

 

[emeraldrafael]

The Japanese were monsters, war criminals; they deserved complete annihilation. Pity America only had two bombs ready.

Fuck you. I had relatives in Japan during WWII.

I'm sure the Chinese and Americans feel just as outraged about what Japan did. But he's right. If you ignore the precious Geneva Convention the poeple who say the Bombs werent necessary wave around (whihc has no meaning unless you make it have meaning) you are a war criminal. And I'd say what they did in China qualifies it.

And the Americans were super sweet? Jesus Fucking Christ, they wouldn't let their own citizens drink from the same water fountain.

It's comments like these when I feel proud of owing no allegiance to any state, religion, or political ideology.

Yeah. I'll admit, it was a dark time. But hey, least they were free. Least we were killing them. Least we made strides. Besides, that was the home policy. Military service brings down all racial barriers. And we werent breaking the Geneva Convention with Segregation, so that arguement is invalid.

Disclaimer: I do not support segregation and am an avid supporter that everyone has equal rights. which is why I'm campaigning to have the mosque be built at ground zero. but thats a completely different thread and discusion entirely.

"We weren't killing them." Comments like this show how completely wrong the American education system is. If they don't like it, let's not teach it! The concentration camps were surrounded by barbed wire. If anybody that even looked Asian walked within 3 feet of that barbed wire, they were shot. They were forced to live in horse stables, not just a single person to a stable either. I'm talking multiple families in a stable meant for one horse. They were treated like barbarians. You want to talk about war crimes, talk about how people could do this to their OWN PEOPLE. Don't even say they were compensated. They were given 10,000$ if they were lucky, and this was only once about 3/4 of them had died. Also, if you were born in a camp, or you were a minor when you were forced in, you weren't part of the list to be compensated. Thus reducing the money paid to them. America just wiped this out of the history books because it doesn't suit their opinion of themselves.

Marshall law went into effect, I'm not saying wat America did was right or wrong. But I'll tell you one thing. At least you were given something. Jewish people lost everyhting when they went to that camp. The had nothing coming out. They were rsuhed into furnaces and given toxic gas showers to kill them off. America NEVER took that drastic of a step with its people. Hell, a Jew could be shot in the camp for shits and giggles. Plus, you were experimented on. So dont ever compare yourselves to the plight of MY people. you wont win. You are insignificant in comparison to 6 million+ people killed with no hope. You still had rights at the least.

No, they didn't have rights. The Japanese in these concentration camps were treated like animals as well. Also, there's multiple books and movies about the Holocaust. Germany officially apologized, and Israel was created. I'm not saying that's any kind of repayment, but at least it's something. How many stories have you read about the injustices done to the Japanese during WWII? Maybe one. The only people speaking out about this are the people who either lived through it or their relatives. Did you know that on Oahu they lynched people merely for looking Japanese? These are people that everyone else had known for years, and they up and lynched them for fear of them being spies or "those damned Japs." The Japanese also had everything taken away from them. The ones that owned stores had their stores sold or taken by other people, and their houses were all sold. Also, what were the Japanese given? The measly amount of money given to them does nothing for the injustices. If a Japanese person enlisted in the American military, they were sent off and if they made it back, they were thrown straight back into the camps. Nowadays, America does not choose to recognize this, they prefer to live without the knowledge of their crimes. But hey, ignorance is bliss right?

Thats not the point. There was the never the merciless death and eradication there was in Germany. And they were given a Country, without limits in the common day. So far as I know, Germany still cant have a standing army of over 100K soldiers, and its closely monitored. And my, what a great gift Isreal was. You sent jews from one slaughter to another. Here, let my people get on their knees and cry to the good gods above about the blessings we received. The blessing where children are born into war, where they have to know how to hold a gun and kill someone when they're nine. When they have to worry every day, every minute, every second that there way of life might be taken away, and once again they will be homeless. Thank you, just, THANK YOU! You moved them, sayin it was a better land and lying. However can the Jewish people repay you and your generosity?

Your sarcasm amuses me. Also, are you saying that the Japanese are allowed to have a large standing army? The Germans are allowed Main Battle Tanks, a Navy, and an Air Force. The Japanese military consists of a few battalions of men, light tanks, maybe a main battle tank from the Vietnam era, and decrepit old fighters the U.S. gave them. The only reason Japan isn't under either Chinese or North Korean rule right now is because of the protection the U.S. is providing. They can't even make metal airsoft guns because of a ban the U.S. put on them. From what I know, Germany's military is not closely monitored and they can build whatever they want to. The next time you try to counter argue something, know the facts and try and read the last comment, where did I ever say that what was given to the Jews after WWII was worth anything? I merely stated that it had been recognized and that there was at least some effort put towards making up for it whereas the injustices dealt towards the Japanese were simply written out of the history books.

Then tell your teacher. Make a case. But dont sit and say the jews are better off cause they get recognition. I could recognize a woman who was raped and say about injustices, bu that wont make her feel better. Besides that, EVERY country rights over its dark past. Do you think Germany teaches about all the ins and outs and WW2 and the Holocaust? You think Britain teaches is people about the loss they took in the Revolutionary War, and the thousands of Native people's deaths they cuased? Fun Fact, Britain (during the French and Indian war/Seven years war, depending what its called in your country) was the first to actively use PLANNED chemical warfare by giving Native People Smallpox infested blankets so they could stop the seige at Fort Pitt. But you dont read about that.

Besides, we're off topic now.

 

[ICanBreakTheseCuffs]

the Japanese send people over to the American side to watch this "special bomb" they created.

Seriously? That is the only way you can see that going down?

well yeah that didn't have youtube back then.How else could they do it?