drug testing in schools

[Emptor]

Man, that's bullshit! If I want to be high while at school, I have all the right to!

Anyway, I think the idea is stupid, totally unnecessary and a waste of funding.

You can only be high if you're at high school.

 

[GonzoGamer]

See how far it goes when you demand that the teachers and administration has to take drug tests too.
They would have to close all the schools.

I always thought that was the reason it's called "High" School. Are you saying that the offending kid will be expelled/suspended or just barred from extra curricular activities. I remember that during my most toke heavy part of high school, my friends and I made up most of our extra curricular activities.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

So? It's a stupid law anyway. Fuckin' Alcohol is worse than weed.

Yeah. That isn't an argument, y'tosser.

Oh, but I'm sure resorting to childish name calling is an argument, right?

Shut up, reported.

Personally I think they should report positive tests to the police as well.

Yeah, we're stepping into "crime doesn't fit the punishment" zone here.

You report them to the police... and then what? They arrest them? For smoking weed?

 

[nilus2k]

Personally I think they should report positive tests to the police as well.

you would potentially fuck up a student's future because of drugs. is that what you're really saying? wouldn't counselling or whatever be better? because the way the police is at the moment, they would probably just chuck the kid in juvie for a bit, and an experience like that (however short) has the potential to make a criminal of someone who just does a few misdemeanours, which is unforgivable.

If the kid was really a good kid it would be a first offense and it would lead to probation and consoling. He or She would probably at most get a suspension at school(if it were a public school).

I or the people doing it wouldn't be fucking up a kids life, he/she would be. I don't want to sound like a hard ass or sound naive. I know kids experiment, but that doesn't mean we should go lite on them if they do. They need to learn the consequences of there actions.

 

[nilus2k]

Personally I think they should report positive tests to the police as well.

Yeah, we're stepping into "crime doesn't fit the punishment" zone here.

I you report them to the police... and then what? They arrest them? For smoking weed?

Well yeah maybe. Its illegal. A CRIME. You do a crime and you get caught you go to jail. Its a kid and assuming its a first time offense, the most they will get is some court ordered consuling and probation. If we are lucky maybe a night in Jail.

Just because you don't believe something should be against the law doesn't mean it isn't. I think taxes are fucking stupid but I sure as hell know if I cheat on them and get caught I am going to jail.

 

[iherduliekPie]

Personally I think they should report positive tests to the police as well.

Yeah, we're stepping into "crime doesn't fit the punishment" zone here.

I you report them to the police... and then what? They arrest them? For smoking weed?

or we could go into the tried and true punishment for many crimes, forced labor. Smoke weed, time for a 'camping' trip that may last 85 years or more.

 

[Baby Tea]

I never attended class becuase I was out being too cool for school having a fun time, but I wasnt stupid I was just foolish, just becuase people have a fun go out and have fun, misbehave and such doesnt mean there uninteligent.

Sounds stupid to me.
Memorizing dates and statistics without the wisdom to see the use for an education doesn't strike me as intelligent.
And you misspelled unintelligent.
And your grammar is terrible.

So you've got a good memory, but failed English?

Every 'druggie' in my high school is still stuck back in my small, crappy home-town.
They still have their bad habits, and they've got the life to prove it.

And you know what? I had tons of fun in school! Your implications that those who didn't use drugs or other substance abuse didn't 'have fun' is terribly wrong. Flat out wrong. Not all of us are so insecure as to need any of that for 'fun'.
Besides, when I was driving friends home while they were puking all over the place with terrible headaches and making fools of themselves, they didn't look like they were having fun.

I'll pass on that 'fun', thanks.

 

[resultsmayvary]

I thought all schools drug tested for sports. Never heard of this for a parking pass. I agree on drug testing for sports, otherwise I'm completely against drug testing in general.

 

[MusicalFreedom]

If the kid was really a good kid it would be a first offense and it would lead to probation and consoling. He or She would probably at most get a suspension at school(if it were a public school).

I or the people doing it wouldn't be fucking up a kids life, he/she would be. I don't want to sound like a hard ass or sound naive. I know kids experiment, but that doesn't mean we should go lite on them if they do. They need to learn the consequences of there actions.

I could see that, I suppose. I'm just wary of keeping the good "good", rather than letting the bad influence of criminals drag them down.

 

[beddo]

It's pissing in a cup. If you refuse to do it, then that implies guilt and gives them probable cause. If you agree, you're giving your consent.

I'm afraid that you are wrong in a legal sense here because everyone has the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty. Non-compliance does not imply that a crime is or has been committed nor that the person is trying to hide a crime. Consider the following:

A student has a urinary infection and was too embarrassed to talk about it. That is a matter of privacy for that student and a valid reason to not want to give a urine sample.

A student is pregnant and asked to give a sample. they may believe that the sample would show that they are pregnant and make their situation a public matter. Again, a completely innocent and valid reason for that person to refuse to give a urine sample.


Following your logic the authorities could take this further and say that if you do not consent to 24 hour personal surveillance then you are hiding a crime and thus they must implement the surveillance to find out details of the crime and prosecute you.

If we work on a system of innocent until proven guilty then this mitigates many of your rights given under the US constitution. Violation of the constitution is a crime in of itself and the authorities would actually be breaking the law.

 

[Abedeus]

Cool. If it thins out the numbers of idiots, then yes please. Drug tests for everyone.

 

[beddo]

Personally I think they should report positive tests to the police as well.

you would potentially fuck up a student's future because of drugs. is that what you're really saying? wouldn't counselling or whatever be better? because the way the police is at the moment, they would probably just chuck the kid in juvie for a bit, and an experience like that (however short) has the potential to make a criminal of someone who just does a few misdemeanours, which is unforgivable.

If the kid was really a good kid it would be a first offense and it would lead to probation and consoling. He or She would probably at most get a suspension at school(if it were a public school).

I or the people doing it wouldn't be fucking up a kids life, he/she would be. I don't want to sound like a hard ass or sound naive. I know kids experiment, but that doesn't mean we should go lite on them if they do. They need to learn the consequences of there actions.

You need to learn the consequences of bad grammar; people can't understand you.

The fact is that the only thing you would be teaching them is that their Constitutional rights have no value which is not true.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

Personally I think they should report positive tests to the police as well.

Yeah, we're stepping into "crime doesn't fit the punishment" zone here.

I you report them to the police... and then what? They arrest them? For smoking weed?

Well yeah maybe. Its illegal. A CRIME. You do a crime and you get caught you go to jail. Its a kid and assuming its a first time offense, the most they will get is some court ordered consuling and probation. If we are lucky maybe a night in Jail.

Just because you don't believe something should be against the law doesn't mean it isn't. I think taxes are fucking stupid but I sure as hell know if I cheat on them and get caught I am going to jail.

Smoking a joint is a misdemeanor, not a felony. So as much as you wish we all lived in a Draconian nation, you cannot go to jail for smoking pot.

There's better ways of employing the police force than catching pot smoking kids anyway.

 

[beddo]

Cool. If it thins out the numbers of idiots, then yes please. Drug tests for everyone.

Surely an idiot test would be more effective.

 

[asinann]

My school has random drugs tests occasionally but nothing's come of it.

The only thing to remember is that drugs stay in the body for something like 2 months or more.

Depends on the drug, the chemical drugs stay in the system a few days, the natural ones for the most part only stay around a month. This topic is old news, the supreme court has alreday said it's ok for schools to do it, get over it and move on.

 

[Assassin Xaero]

Yeah, that is stupid and a waste of money... anyone who is a big enough dumbass to show up to school drunk or high usually isn't smart enough to hide it, so you don't really need to test them... And they usually think the teachers are completely oblivious to it... There was even someone at my school that came drunk and would go around saying "I'm so drunk I shouldn't be here right now", and then he was surprised/pissed when he got suspended for it... But really, I think anyone who is dumb enough to do that crap and go to school should get suspended, at least... It is illegal, well, at least here it is...

 

[LaBambaMan]

If I learned anything while in high school it's that the authority shouldn't trust high school kids. I mean, for the most part, they're idiots with egos the size of a planet.

my high school only suspected people who deserved suspicion, rather than hoisting it upon people who don't act suspicious in any way. there was no problem with this. why change it all of a sudden?

actually, we did have talk of sniffer dogs coming in one day, but I never saw them. maybe the head changed his mind.

in any case, the administration needs to at least put on a face of trusting the students. drug testing for people who are applying for things that don't really have much to do with drugs would make people angry, more likely to disbehave, and for what? some kid toking up?

despite the edgy "cynical" view that all high schoolers are idiotic rule-breakers that need to be kept in line by AUTHORITAH, they're really more intelligent than people realise (though they often misdirect their intelligence, or forget it occasionally). they know when they're being treated unfairly, and they would raise some kind of shit about it, even if it's just low-level disturbance.

as far as I can tell, this kind of drug testing results in more work, for results that really aren't worth the effort.

Ok, so maybe I was being a bit harsh. I was, however, speaking from my experiences of high school, which only ended 5 years ago. Maybe you've got a better school system then I had, but most high school students in my area were either vapid whores who couldn't keep their legs shut or moronic stoner kids who thought they were hardcore by breaking the law.

The more intelligent students in my graduating class(myself included) were trusted because we gave the staff a reason to trust us. Our girlfriends weren't pregnant, we showed up on time, we did our work, and we didn't reek of pot and ask stupid questions that are common knowledge. Then again, we also had a very large "gangsta" population who was, amazingly, comprised of my school's most dim witted students(like the one guy who asked what Pearl Harbor Day was).

So I apologize if I offend with my comments, because i'm basing my cynical attitude off my previous experience and the idiots I see around the local shopping mall. Then again, this is the suburbs of D.C., the home of the morons.

Wow, did you have any fun at all at school?? its funny but you look down at people like these like people like you used to do to me at school, I was moved up in history in my school becuase I excelled beyond my class, I went from the bottom class right to the top becuase of this, and when I walked in this class a student like you commented on me, saying "I think you have the wrong class, this is for the intelligent students" to which I embarrased him in front of the class by asking him what to me was basic historical trivia that he couldnt answer such as who were forces fighting at the battle of theyomopoly (He stated Egyptions versus the romans), or the death of the year the version queen died (1603), who assinated Gias Julius Caesar and at what date, this student couldnt answer one of them and sat down.

Your probably not as arogant as that kid but it really gets to me when people look down on others for such things, if you had met me at school then you would have thought I'd have been as dim-witted as those gangsta's your talking about and if you read my handwriting or my spelling then you'd think worse, I never attended class becuase I was out being too cool for school having a fun time, but I wasnt stupid I was just foolish, just becuase people have a fun go out and have fun, misbehave and such doesnt mean there uninteligent.

Uh, yeah. I had lots of fun in high school, but that doesn't change the fact that my school was populated with idiots.

I don't believe everyone who's ever gotten high is some moron who deserves a bullet in the softest part of the skull, just the people who think they're so cool and edgy for doing so. Yeah, i'd gotten high a few times but I never made it seem like it was anything more than it was. People try to act like it's a part of their culture, when in reality they just want someone to think they're edgy.

I went out and had fun a lot, in fact it's something I still do on a regular basis. But I still focused on my studies because I wanted to get good grades and have a chance at getting a good education in college. I got in my fair share of trouble with some of my teachers(such as my senior year English teacher who told me I read too much), but I never gave them reason to believe I wasn't able to get the work done and pass the class.

The problem I have is when people went out of their way to cause trouble so they could be more of a hard-ass and seem cool for it, it just seemed so silly to me to be cool because you got held back 4 times for being stupid. The worst, however, were the kids who would always show up late for class(like they didn't know after 4 years what time 1st period started) and then try and act all hardcore when the teacher would call them out on it. Don't go "I don't see why i'm in trouble" when you've never once been on time.

Just as a matter of opinion, I think "foolish" and "moronic" are two very different terms. All teenagers are foolish, it's part of the experience. You can, however, be foolish and still be an intelligent person(as you've proven). I'm no genius, nor will I ever claim to be, but I knew when I needed to get shit done, and when was the time to dick around and be a kid. I don't look very smart(unless you consider everyone with glasses to be smart), but I still passed with a 3.6 GPA.

 

[Skwee]

My school has drug testing if you are under suspicion of using drugs, such as a past history of it in your criminal record or in school record. and also for those in sports but nothing really comes out of it, though a couple years ago ten kids all got suspended for a week because they had all been in the same class with a guy who brought pot brownies to a in-class party thing...

 

[Abedeus]

Cool. If it thins out the numbers of idiots, then yes please. Drug tests for everyone.

Surely an idiot test would be more effective.

Yeah, but then some teachers would have to go too...

Okay, let's do both tests! And miniature flags of your country for everyone else!