drug testing in schools
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If they were going to become a serial killer, it's unlikely drugs would have much influence on it.Amnestic said:
Anyway i'm not even talking about regular users, loads of kids try cannabis when they're young, it's called experimenting, in the same way you'd try alcohol. A student doesn't deserve to be excluded and maybe even arrested for smoking once or twice with friends, hell, they could of gotten it into their system through second hand smoke just hanging out with people.
Tell that to the friends and family of Chris Benoit. A Little testing could have saved a whole bunch of lives thereXiado said:
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touche.
But, like I said, I was being naive there. Perhaps the best solution then is not to come down on people too hard on the first offence. That way you'll be fine if you've tried drugs once, but the real potheads will be caught.
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touche.
But, like I said, I was being naive there. Perhaps the best solution then is not to come down on people too hard on the first offence. That way you'll be fine if you've tried drugs once, but the real potheads will be caught.
Maybe you're right, but there are so many better ways these resources could be implementend. Has everyone forgotten their youth? Nothin' wrong with smokin' some pot.Amnestic said:
My only question is, what would be the punishment for failure? Suspension? Expulsion? Humiliation? Hell why stop there, why not throw in a public pepper spraying or tazing in the assembly. I can safely say in a perfect world(read:my fantasy of a totalitarian government with off world mining slaves) failure to pass would mean shipment to mars to make millions... for me.
Yes I know it's awesome isnt it. In conclusion, needs more shocky.
tl;dr version
I support the testing with a cattle prod.
Yes I know it's awesome isnt it. In conclusion, needs more shocky.
tl;dr version
I support the testing with a cattle prod.
Sorry, but that also does bring in the steroid option, especially if the testing is for extracurricular activities, such as sports. They have testing for the pros, so why not give the students a taste of their sports future?
Eh, test the little bastards. There's too many of these stupid fucking "man I smoked pot once so i'm so fuckin' awesome" little shitheads in the D.C. area that it makes me want to go on a killing spree. Test the little shits, find out which ones are the morons, get them out of the schools so they stop bugging the intelligent students, and then we don't have to worry about low test scores anymore.
Damn, if my school had had that I would have been kicked out of school so fast I would never have had the chance to become the unemployed heroin addicted layabout I am today.
Purely as an anecdote, my old school has to my knowledge, never dropped out of the top 10 of the UK's league table for results across the board and was a school 'known' for druggy shenanegins, the police raided our school playing field while I was in the 6th form
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All those doctors, lawyers and full on science types that most of them became would have been kicked out in disgrace (ok, not really disgrace, more "we're gonna have to kick you out to save our reputation" but still...)...although if we'd had random drug tests they probably wouldn't have taken...so much.
Also...if you're gonna do drugs, you gotta start young and get your feet early, it's too easy to go overboard if you're a bit older and have access to lots of cash without knowing what your dealing with. I started young and look at me...oh, shit.
Purely as an anecdote, my old school has to my knowledge, never dropped out of the top 10 of the UK's league table for results across the board and was a school 'known' for druggy shenanegins, the police raided our school playing field while I was in the 6th form
. All those doctors, lawyers and full on science types that most of them became would have been kicked out in disgrace (ok, not really disgrace, more "we're gonna have to kick you out to save our reputation" but still...)...although if we'd had random drug tests they probably wouldn't have taken...so much.
Also...if you're gonna do drugs, you gotta start young and get your feet early, it's too easy to go overboard if you're a bit older and have access to lots of cash without knowing what your dealing with. I started young and look at me...oh, shit.
After all, isn't high school sports where athletes get introduced to Steroids in the first place?
no better way of improving the relationship between teacher and student like ARE YOU ON DRUGS? HERE IS A TEST. IT IS MANDATORY. there will literally be no bad consequences of this.
if authority doesn't trust you, you can't trust authority.
if authority doesn't trust you, you can't trust authority.
If I learned anything while in high school it's that the authority shouldn't trust high school kids. I mean, for the most part, they're idiots with egos the size of a planet.MusicalFreedom said:
I'm sorry but how does the Slippery Slope argument have anything to do with, you screw up goto Mars to be mining slave, or public humiliation?Amnestic said:
I think it's a great idea, any measure that allows parrents to pay even less attention to their children should be embraced on a national level.
next up mandatory pregnantcy test for all female students.
next up mandatory pregnantcy test for all female students.
I don't agree with drugs being illegal. Things like illegal drugs are "mala prohibita." (Bad because it's forbidden) In other words, if there wasn't a piece of paper somewhere saying otherwise, it would be OK.
On the other hand, I also don't agree with doing drugs. Waste of money and time. I'm big on the idea of self-reliance, you see. If you are addicted to any sort of brain-altering substance; anything at all. If the system that normally distributes those items to you were to suddenly collapse, before long anybody with that substance could control you like a puppet. (Perhaps less so with things like alcohol, tobacco, and marijuana, but you can see what I mean.)
Having stated both of those opinions, (Including a perhaps an unnecessarily long rant about how "drugs are bad") I think I would be against testing people at school for drugs. If they are participating in a team activity, however, I think it is the right of the rest of the team to ensure everyone is operating at their peak.
On the other hand, I also don't agree with doing drugs. Waste of money and time. I'm big on the idea of self-reliance, you see. If you are addicted to any sort of brain-altering substance; anything at all. If the system that normally distributes those items to you were to suddenly collapse, before long anybody with that substance could control you like a puppet. (Perhaps less so with things like alcohol, tobacco, and marijuana, but you can see what I mean.)
Having stated both of those opinions, (Including a perhaps an unnecessarily long rant about how "drugs are bad") I think I would be against testing people at school for drugs. If they are participating in a team activity, however, I think it is the right of the rest of the team to ensure everyone is operating at their peak.
my high school only suspected people who deserved suspicion, rather than hoisting it upon people who don't act suspicious in any way. there was no problem with this. why change it all of a sudden?LaBambaMan said:
actually, we did have talk of sniffer dogs coming in one day, but I never saw them. maybe the head changed his mind.
in any case, the administration needs to at least put on a face of trusting the students. drug testing for people who are applying for things that don't really have much to do with drugs would make people angry, more likely to disbehave, and for what? some kid toking up?
despite the edgy "cynical" view that all high schoolers are idiotic rule-breakers that need to be kept in line by AUTHORITAH, they're really more intelligent than people realise (though they often misdirect their intelligence, or forget it occasionally). they know when they're being treated unfairly, and they would raise some kind of shit about it, even if it's just low-level disturbance.
as far as I can tell, this kind of drug testing results in more work, for results that really aren't worth the effort.
I agree its a stupid law, I dont think it should be banned, Ive never smocked weed or taken any illegal drug in my life, but I still do see the sence in cannabis being illegal, ive been around alot of people who take it and the effects seem simlier to drinking, and ive never seen my freinds wake up with an hangover becuase of it(maybe they did but I didnt notice it or cannabis doesnt give you one), but regardless of you and I think its still the law and we still have to follow them, hey I think its stupid that I carnt just crack people who make me feel a arsehole or look at me funny, but its still illegal so I dont do it (unless I'm pissed off then watch out lol).The infamous SCAMola said: