Dual Wielding

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Rentsy

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I AM sure about dual wielding guns.

As someone who "knows" guns, here are the facts: you could train with two guns for 10 years and still not be able to match up to someone who has learned to shoot one gun for a year. It just sucks to duel wield, and it always pisses me off to see duel wielding. Duel wielding is the bane of my existence. You know what game DIDN'T? What game let you use a single pistol to deadly effect?

"Game of the Year" Gears of War
 

danosaurus

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Who remembers Dual RCP-90's in Goldeneye?
Definition of OP, also definition of kickass!
You could pepper a whole room within 10 seconds (to the point where the bullet-holes would start dissappearing to create more memory for new ones to appear)
Win
 

the monopoly guy

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yes, pistols are highly under rated, they're alot more powerful then some games lead on, they either make them unrealstic (desert eagle, .357 magnum-they're not THAT powerful) or way too weak-it takes less then 2 clips to kill someone wiht a 9 mm.
 

MindBullets

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Just to get something off my chest:

Realism is not a legitimate excuse to hate dual wielding. If you're going for a realistic-ish game, fair enough, but remember that realism isn't the be-all and end-all of games. Sometimes you just want to go mad and pump stupid amounts of lead into your digital enemies.
 

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Khell_Sennet said:
Things are kinda going off in two directions here.

There's the realism preference and the entertainment preference. Realism is all fine in some games, but absurd impossibilities can work for another.

Goldeneye, Dual AR33 was the most powerhouse set you could get. Far zoom, accurate fire, decent clip size, and not much gun masking on your visibility. Wouldn't work in Crysis, but for what Goldeneye was, it was as kick-ass as you could get. Perfect Dark, dual wield was limited to pistols mainly for a more "real" feel (and yet the guns went from stock to NERF brand)... Dual Maulers were unbeatable, but required skill to use to ensure not running out on both guns at the same time. I wouldn't have wanted these games any other way, let us have our fun even if it comes at the expense of believability. Especially in a game so unrealistic ANYWAYS. Laptops that fold into SMGs? Yep, realism is already out the window and falling towards the pavement.

Now Crysis, Farcry, FEAR... If you're going to give us pistols, I want them to be realistically powered or dual wield. Either work, but single wield with pussified power DOESN'T. Pistols are powerhouse weapons in their own way, a single 9mm round can take down an unarmored man even if it doesn't hit a critical spot. A .45 or .357 magnum round can blow holes through people if they aren't wearing a vest, and often even if they are. I shouldn't have to pump eight or ten bullets into someone to take him down, but if you're going to make pistols that powerless, I demand two of them. It's no longer about realism, you'd fucked that up with the weak hits, so I want to maximize how many rounds I get.

On the note of realistic gun damage, I am sick of games where shotgun blasts aren't one-shot-kills, assault rifles that can't armor-penetrate on BPVs or light sheetmetal, and high-power sniper rifles that have all the damage-potential of the weak-assed pistol you carry just from longer range. A .50cal sniper shot to the chest, neck, or head will take out a target guaranteed. Hits to an arm or leg are going to render that limb useless, and usually be such a severe wound as to again take the victim out of service. I'm sick to death of in-game sniper rifles being treated as "Headshot or Bust", and torso/extremity shots being shrugged off like the fucker WASN'T hit by a piece of metal traveling at 2800 feet per SECOND.
Well said Khell. Well said.
 

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Rentsy said:
I AM sure about dual wielding guns.

As someone who "knows" guns, here are the facts: you could train with two guns for 10 years and still not be able to match up to someone who has learned to shoot one gun for a year. It just sucks to duel wield, and it always pisses me off to see duel wielding. Duel wielding is the bane of my existence. You know what game DIDN'T? What game let you use a single pistol to deadly effect?

"Game of the Year" Gears of War
Yeah, but if someone has only trained for a year in sniper rifle combat, they're gonna be fucked against a smg assault, as it's close range, assault, and you're not gonna be able to snipe everybody unless people sneaking you are shit at hiding.
 

poleboy

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You know what would be awesome? A shooter for the wii where you controlled a sword with the remote and a gun with the nunchuk.

EDIT: Actually, it would probably be better the other way around.
 

Ultrajoe

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poleboy said:
You know what would be awesome? A shooter for the wii where you controlled a sword with the remote and a gun with the nunchuk.

EDIT: Actually, it would probably be better the other way around.
THIS MAN IS MY NEW GOD FOR HIS AVATAR... Stupid Fargoth...

also... you were being ironic weren't you? that game exists
 

poleboy

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Ultrajoe said:
poleboy said:
You know what would be awesome? A shooter for the wii where you controlled a sword with the remote and a gun with the nunchuk.

EDIT: Actually, it would probably be better the other way around.
THIS MAN IS MY NEW GOD FOR HIS AVATAR... Stupid Fargoth...

also... you were being ironic weren't you? that game exists
Well yeah but... a *good* shooter!

Thanks ;)
Everyone loves some bosmer punchin'.
 

Ultrajoe

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poleboy said:
Ultrajoe said:
poleboy said:
You know what would be awesome? A shooter for the wii where you controlled a sword with the remote and a gun with the nunchuk.

EDIT: Actually, it would probably be better the other way around.
THIS MAN IS MY NEW GOD FOR HIS AVATAR... Stupid Fargoth...

also... you were being ironic weren't you? that game exists
Well yeah but... a *good* shooter!

Thanks ;)
Everyone loves some bosmer punchin'.
Red steel to me was like a handjob from a supermodel... it just could have done so much more for me if it had tried.

And i must say i feel the need to re-praise your avatar, its hypnotic to the point of idiocy... i... just... cant... look... away...

you are so friended
 

Lucane

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I was about to say why hasn't any one mentioned the Reapers when I scrolled down some more to find...
propertyofcobra said:
Resistance: Fall of Man had a pretty good separate aim system for the Reapers (dual-wielded alien SMGs), where the two weapons fired on the primary and secondary fire buttons.
The weapons individually locked onto targets, separate or the same one. It's easy to use, intuitive, and not considerably worse than single weapons, and yet FEELS like dual-wielding (unlike dual wielding in, oh, let's say... Halo. Which if you removed the graphics of the weapons would feel pretty much exactly like single wielding).
OneHP said:
Halo didn't have dual wielding Halo 2 did. Also even then your analysis is somewhat flawed seeing as each weapon's fire was controlled by it's own trigger. You would have been better off comparing it to the dual wielding of pistols in most games (Counter Strike, FEAR, Crysis, etc.)
I think cobra ment Halo in general which include Halo 2 and 3 about how whether or not you use one gun or two you can only point at one opponent while Resistance let you shot at 1 or 2 enemies at the same time with the Reapers with little hinderance.
 

Danny610

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Instead of actully aiming. Why don't we do somethign predator style. Two Miniguns on either shoulder. A series of rocks implaneted in the wrist chest etc. Then all you do is walk in hold down the fire button and let the auto aim do the rest.
 

Logan Westbrook

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Rentsy said:
I AM sure about dual wielding guns.

As someone who "knows" guns, here are the facts: you could train with two guns for 10 years and still not be able to match up to someone who has learned to shoot one gun for a year. It just sucks to duel wield, and it always pisses me off to see duel wielding. Duel wielding is the bane of my existence. You know what game DIDN'T? What game let you use a single pistol to deadly effect?

"Game of the Year" Gears of War
Aside from the fact that Gears of Wear is by no means the only game with a powerful pistol in it, we aren't talking about dual wielding in real life, we're talking about it video games, where a certain degree of abstraction is allowed if I remember correctly.
 

Dante_Alucard

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Two guns would rock if the game could pull it off right. Like two nines or even .45's at the same time.A DEagle though without two hands would be a good way to rip your hand off if not held right, so just have the game know when it is carring a Deagle. You could even have duel Deagles you would have to take off some of the accuracy and add a hell of alot of recoil and reloadin time.
 

Rolling Thunder

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Area 51 had a decent pistol. Sure, it took 2-3 shots to kill but it was accurate and fun to use.

And the reason pistols aren't powerful is that... I dunno. I know they lose a lot of accuracy and firepower over range, but videogames usually don't go for that sought of -FLASHPOINT- type realsim.
 

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Ultrajoe said:
poleboy said:
You know what would be awesome? A shooter for the wii where you controlled a sword with the remote and a gun with the nunchuk.

EDIT: Actually, it would probably be better the other way around.
THIS MAN IS MY NEW GOD FOR HIS AVATAR... Stupid Fargoth...

also... you were being ironic weren't you? that game exists
Dear god! ...can I stroke you?

By jove I hated that whiny scrote.
 
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nightfish said:
Ultrajoe said:
its quite simply really.

One 2 metre sword is cool

2 2 metre swords must be...

impossible, but so. damn. cool.
most people who dual weld have a shorter blade in the off-hand or use 2 short blades
Kali sticks are almost always dual wielded and their technique is based around the simultaneous use of both. One stick by itself doesn't do too much damage, but two are extremely versatile.