"dumbed down for the console gamer"
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I play the Pc most often but i havent really noticed any dumbing down RTS dont seem to do to well on the consoles which is strange because i only use the mouse usually in them, but otherwise i carnt really see a different i mean there arn't any Pc games that i play that need all the buttons to play even when people go on about mouse control being better i carnt really see what there talking about as i can aim more precisly with an analog stick (yes even without aim assist before people start complaining)
god people are stupid, "your opinion differs from mine, so you must be a troll!" people do the same thing to me when i say that i thought kotor was overrated . i mean you cant call something a sequel and then make it a completely different genre of game. it would be like if they made halo 4, and made it a turn based rpgbue519 said:
It really doesn't have much to do with the supposed level of 'intelligence' of the console gamer. It's the fact that consoles are extremely limited in their presentation of games. You can only do so many things with a confined control scheme and lackluster hardware.
You can still put out some really awesome games on consoles, but the fact remains they are very limited, and always have to remove features due to size constraints. The games are always less complex and not as grand as they should be.
PC gamers in general are just tired at this point, because very, very few developers make a worth PC game anymore. They either just port or copy the same version to all platforms, when the PC could do so much more.
So when someone says "dumbed down", they usually mean the game itself being lessened in quality. Usually, anyway.
You can still put out some really awesome games on consoles, but the fact remains they are very limited, and always have to remove features due to size constraints. The games are always less complex and not as grand as they should be.
PC gamers in general are just tired at this point, because very, very few developers make a worth PC game anymore. They either just port or copy the same version to all platforms, when the PC could do so much more.
So when someone says "dumbed down", they usually mean the game itself being lessened in quality. Usually, anyway.
I'm a console gamer, and when they say, "Dumbed down", they aren't referring to anything about the gamers who play on consoles. What they're referring to is that the analog stick controls on a console game are inherently slower than a mouse, meaning that needs to be compensated for in order for games to be balanced, fair and competitive.
It's not a criticism of maturity or anything. It's just that the differences in the systems need to be taken into account when putting a game on multiple platforms.
It's not a criticism of maturity or anything. It's just that the differences in the systems need to be taken into account when putting a game on multiple platforms.
Sweet jesus use a period.Spacewolf said:
OT: As people may or may not know, the system specs of consoles don't increase with time, therefore the graphics of console games will eventually stop getting better (at least until a new system is released). PCs do not have such restrictions on graphics, so one would assume that we will see an influx of high performance games rolling in. Now here's the problem; there is an ever growing market for console games. If developers wish to make more money, they must make games for consoles as well as PCs. Developers could very well make games with incredible graphics, but they won't be able to develop for the consoles.
So what do you do? You dumb down the game! Give it console graphics, which are sub-par by current PC standards. We haven't seen a PC game with cutting edge graphics since Crysis, and that was 3 years ago! (Except maybe Shattered Horizon, but that was a glorified benchmarking program)
I for one want a game that will make my graphics card sweat. A game that no console can play.
Its mostly a reaction PC gamers go through from the great sense of abandonment that the major developers are heaping on them now. Every day it seems there's a big announcement that so and so game company are going to make games exclusively for the console market and the PC gamers will have to put up with a shitty port at console price. As such, they tend to react with hatred toward the new target audience because they falsely see them as the guilty one.
I'd liken it to a child whose parents clearly favor their sibling, they are understandably angry, but instead of being angry at the parents, they blame their sibling, because they see it as their fault.
Moral of the story, console gamers are being blamed for the acts of shitty developers who sell out and abandon those who put them on the map in the first place. The anger may be misguided, but don't insult them by saying they should get over it, that makes you a twat.
I'd liken it to a child whose parents clearly favor their sibling, they are understandably angry, but instead of being angry at the parents, they blame their sibling, because they see it as their fault.
Moral of the story, console gamers are being blamed for the acts of shitty developers who sell out and abandon those who put them on the map in the first place. The anger may be misguided, but don't insult them by saying they should get over it, that makes you a twat.
hahaOhJohnNo said:I have managed, through a combination of dumb luck and... er, more dumb luck, to avoid the raging Halo fanboys that give the series its bad name. I visit a grand total of 3 forums - one of these is a tiny little fan forum for an internet author which receives very few posts per day, another is a very civil and nice fan-forum for Relic (LONG LIVE THE GLORY OF HOMEWORLD), and the third is... this place. Which has a whole bunch of reasonable people and the odd elitist PC-gaming Valve/Bioware fanboy (usually Valve). The author's forum has about 1 other guy who's into freaking FPS games, let alone Halo, other than me - though Mass Effect is very popular. The Relic fan-forum is such ridiculous levels of civil, trolling is damn-near nonexistant (well, those few who fail to realise this and troll are quickly punished - discipline is harsh there, but it's all definitely for the better as it's an absolutely wonderful community). As for the Escapist forums, I haven't seen any raging prepubescent Halo fans yet - I can only assume they get drowned out by the loud, bullhorn-wielding Valve fans who do much the same thing, only with better grammar and a more extensive vocabulary.EvilMaggot said:funny i hear that about Halo instead of half life from console gamersOhJohnNo said:that halo is the most awesome made gamer EVA! and half life series suck... tho i got nothing against the ppl who are calm about it, ive played halo 1&2 on PC wich i think is okay
I want to play Half-Life 2, if only so I can see what all the goddamn fuss is about, and plan to when I'm able. At that point, I will see how it compares to the Halo games (I'm expecting - from what I've heard - to go in, get terrified out of my wits and have to fight frantically to finish the game before I lose control of my bladder).
Wow that was a massively, hugely offtopic post. Eh, whatever.
i actulley dont enjoy HL2 anymore in the singleplayer without the "Substance" mod it brings like 25-30 more weapons in the games and different solid snake "modes"... or else the SP is just to effing boring :/ yes the gravity gun was fun the first 10 times.. now its boring.sorry for OFFtopic xD
but yes there have been some major halo fanboys in the past... they prob went over to 4chan
Well if you don't want to sound politically correct I suggest going with "gang raped by retarded flipper children"... I doubt many people would see that as a politically correct statement.Eduku said:
Well, although there is a much larger portion of console gamers who are loud mouthed brats who couldn't play a game more complex than point and shoot for their life, I think the main reason that everything gets "dumbed down" is the consoles controller limitations.
The difficulty of console games has been going consistently down... I think the last difficult games were on the N64 generation, and then it started plummeting. Just look at Project D by Nerdballoon; 11 year old kid thinks the games most of the oldschool gamers would pay to see a better but faithful to the original version of are not as fun as Halo or COD WaW.
In a way, there has always been a dumming down for console, simply because it is a more limited platform, and recently been established as the non-hardcore console, simply because of market strategies. Look at MS, making Kinect games and appealing to the FPS Generation, but pretty much nothing else. Look at Nintendo, offering family friendly shit (I will debate that there is stuff for hardcore gamers there, though, if you look for it). Sony is perhaps the best balanced, but even then has to come up with their own versions of what the Wii did for their Move.
Console has recently emerged in the VG market, and as such attracts a larger audience, therefore inviting all gamers, even the ones who don't know the difference between a bumper and a trigger. On the other hand, less games are on the PC, making it less appealing for a large amount of people, but the few that remain are usually more informed and are better at Video Games, because they were the geeks to begin with.
I am both a PC and Console gamer...
And please, I mean no offense, I'm just expressing a quick reflection on the topic.
Edit: I just thought about something else too. Console gamers usually want and do spend less time gaming, so certain PC titles, like a The Witcher RPG which is extremely complicated, have to be supposedly "dummbed down" because those gamers spend less time playing their games and can't dedicate enough time to go:
"Hmmm... if I put all my points into dexterity, I wonder what will happen? And then how about I put some on strength? Or maybe try this other build?" They just don't have the same willingness to spend time and save games trying out different stuff.
But that doesn't mean it's bad. I'd say it's good; if you want a more complete and complicated gaming experience because you enjoy that, go for PC.
And then if you establish PC is not for you, you have THREE excellent consoles to choose from, and most people I think end up mixing, anyway.
In a way, there has always been a dumming down for console, simply because it is a more limited platform, and recently been established as the non-hardcore console, simply because of market strategies. Look at MS, making Kinect games and appealing to the FPS Generation, but pretty much nothing else. Look at Nintendo, offering family friendly shit (I will debate that there is stuff for hardcore gamers there, though, if you look for it). Sony is perhaps the best balanced, but even then has to come up with their own versions of what the Wii did for their Move.
Console has recently emerged in the VG market, and as such attracts a larger audience, therefore inviting all gamers, even the ones who don't know the difference between a bumper and a trigger. On the other hand, less games are on the PC, making it less appealing for a large amount of people, but the few that remain are usually more informed and are better at Video Games, because they were the geeks to begin with.
I am both a PC and Console gamer...
And please, I mean no offense, I'm just expressing a quick reflection on the topic.
Edit: I just thought about something else too. Console gamers usually want and do spend less time gaming, so certain PC titles, like a The Witcher RPG which is extremely complicated, have to be supposedly "dummbed down" because those gamers spend less time playing their games and can't dedicate enough time to go:
"Hmmm... if I put all my points into dexterity, I wonder what will happen? And then how about I put some on strength? Or maybe try this other build?" They just don't have the same willingness to spend time and save games trying out different stuff.
But that doesn't mean it's bad. I'd say it's good; if you want a more complete and complicated gaming experience because you enjoy that, go for PC.
And then if you establish PC is not for you, you have THREE excellent consoles to choose from, and most people I think end up mixing, anyway.
