Dungeons & Dragons Banned in Prison
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I guess your better safe then sorry. But can you imagine the newspapers reporting that a prison riot was started because of a game of dungeons and dragons.
Also those prison guys can make a shiv out off anything, even apple cores.
Also those prison guys can make a shiv out off anything, even apple cores.
By the looks of it I am just about as qualified to be an expert on gangs as Captain Muraski.
I mean this is such a loose link you could ban ANY contact between inmates because it imitates gang behaviour. You could ban basketball, chess, anything. I think if Captain Muraski had his way the prisoners would spend 24/7 in solitary confinement and he's just capitalising on the Judge's ignorance of D&D to get his way here.
On the other hand we are talking about a murderer here, not some petty thief so I can't feel that much sympathy. Though from my interpretation this is violating his rights so he should be able to play his game, it's not like he has much else locked up in a hole for the rest of his life.
I mean this is such a loose link you could ban ANY contact between inmates because it imitates gang behaviour. You could ban basketball, chess, anything. I think if Captain Muraski had his way the prisoners would spend 24/7 in solitary confinement and he's just capitalising on the Judge's ignorance of D&D to get his way here.
On the other hand we are talking about a murderer here, not some petty thief so I can't feel that much sympathy. Though from my interpretation this is violating his rights so he should be able to play his game, it's not like he has much else locked up in a hole for the rest of his life.
Speaking as someone who worked in corrections for a few years here. (and as an avid pen and paper gamer)
That is really fucking stupid. Especially since, I guarantee they still let them play poker, spades, craps and a whole bunch of other games which promote gambling which in jails/prisons is about the number 2 reason that fights start.
That is really fucking stupid. Especially since, I guarantee they still let them play poker, spades, craps and a whole bunch of other games which promote gambling which in jails/prisons is about the number 2 reason that fights start.
And now speaking as someone who was in the gang unit and still has to deal with gangs frequently (i catch robbers and burglars) Yes, completely this. Gangs do not work that way. Most of them have about as much teamwork as a kindergarten t-ball team with a strobe light going during all their games.Greg Tito said:
As long as they're still allowed to sit around and talk to each other, nothing substantial has really been taken away. They could use playing cards, or rock-paper-scissors, to simulate die rolls. The whole point of role-playing games is imagination.. you don't really need the rulebooks and dice. I would hope people in prison, already deprived of so many conveniences, would be able to find a way around all that.
But.. it kinda pisses me off a bit when a lotta people on this forum say ~"fuckem, they broke the law so they're scum and they deserve to have anything/everything taken away from them". Have a little goddamn compassion.. not everyone in prison is a truly evil muthafucka. Not every law is ultimately just. You really shouldn't assume that every prisoner ever is some scumfuck pariah who never deserves any semblance of human rights. People and situations can be complicated.
But.. it kinda pisses me off a bit when a lotta people on this forum say ~"fuckem, they broke the law so they're scum and they deserve to have anything/everything taken away from them". Have a little goddamn compassion.. not everyone in prison is a truly evil muthafucka. Not every law is ultimately just. You really shouldn't assume that every prisoner ever is some scumfuck pariah who never deserves any semblance of human rights. People and situations can be complicated.
Whoa! Absolutely what in the hell are they talking about? What, are they also going to ban Monopoly because it encourages cutthroat capitalism?
Honestly, why do we let *anyone* make decisions about things they clearly have no idea about? You know what, warden? Now that the inmate's no longer playing D&D, he'll have plenty of time for other wonderful activities. Like joining *actual* gangs. And killing *actual* people.
Honestly, why do we let *anyone* make decisions about things they clearly have no idea about? You know what, warden? Now that the inmate's no longer playing D&D, he'll have plenty of time for other wonderful activities. Like joining *actual* gangs. And killing *actual* people.
DnD in prison? Wow, I thought prison was hardcore. When did it fill up with nerds? Or, more correctly, when did gang members become nerds?
OT: I don't see why they would ban it. I mean, otherwise, all they're going to do is exercise with equipment so they can overpower the guards at prison riots.
OT: I don't see why they would ban it. I mean, otherwise, all they're going to do is exercise with equipment so they can overpower the guards at prison riots.
I know a guy that lives a block away from that prison. Beyond that I guess this is just another way the man is keeping us down..?
[Prison officials testified in court that D&D could "foster an inmate's obsession with escaping from the real-life correctional environment, fostering hostility, violence and escape behavior."]
COULD? It could cause problems but hasn't? You know what COULD and DOES cause problems? Giving them fricking weights and gym equipment! Prison should make them weaker. D&D is perfect for that, might I suggest WOW while they are at it.
COULD? It could cause problems but hasn't? You know what COULD and DOES cause problems? Giving them fricking weights and gym equipment! Prison should make them weaker. D&D is perfect for that, might I suggest WOW while they are at it.
What the HELL? Is it still 1983? I thought the whole controversy behind D&D was long since dead, but apparently stupidity really never dies. As usual, a poorly thought out, irrational argument has won out over common sense.
Back when I was a kid the battle cry was "Parents, protect your children from this evil game, it promotes satanism and will make your kids lose touch with reality and either hurt themselves or others!" and the same people paranoid busybodies would go on to cite a handful of incidents [http://www.modern-psychiatry.com/d_&_d_deaths.htm] where individuals who were most likely unstable to begin with took their own lives after most likely playing D&D for a less than healthy amount of time.
Blaming a game on someone killing themselves is just as asinine as blaming the ridiculous claims of "backwards masking" in music back in the '80s, the same thing of which has just recently been cited in Barack Obama's speeches, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daylkziIEYE] which is no less ridiculous and is clearly the result of someone with way too much fucking time on their hands.
Even though there are 131 "Confirmed" D&D related deaths since the '70s (which I still don't believe), this still begs the question "If all it took was a fantasy game to push these kids over the edge, was there not something wrong with them in the first place?" This court decision is no more relevant than the witch hunt of the '80s. Its pure scapegoating meant to shift blame from the real problems, poor parenting. Or in this case, poor prison administration.
When are people going to take responsibility for their actions and stop pointing the finger at everyone & everything else? I could sit here and cite case after case of this exact same lunacy, but then I might go crazy and kill myself. So who would be to blame for that?
Back when I was a kid the battle cry was "Parents, protect your children from this evil game, it promotes satanism and will make your kids lose touch with reality and either hurt themselves or others!" and the same people paranoid busybodies would go on to cite a handful of incidents [http://www.modern-psychiatry.com/d_&_d_deaths.htm] where individuals who were most likely unstable to begin with took their own lives after most likely playing D&D for a less than healthy amount of time.
Blaming a game on someone killing themselves is just as asinine as blaming the ridiculous claims of "backwards masking" in music back in the '80s, the same thing of which has just recently been cited in Barack Obama's speeches, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daylkziIEYE] which is no less ridiculous and is clearly the result of someone with way too much fucking time on their hands.
Even though there are 131 "Confirmed" D&D related deaths since the '70s (which I still don't believe), this still begs the question "If all it took was a fantasy game to push these kids over the edge, was there not something wrong with them in the first place?" This court decision is no more relevant than the witch hunt of the '80s. Its pure scapegoating meant to shift blame from the real problems, poor parenting. Or in this case, poor prison administration.
When are people going to take responsibility for their actions and stop pointing the finger at everyone & everything else? I could sit here and cite case after case of this exact same lunacy, but then I might go crazy and kill myself. So who would be to blame for that?