EA Bans Users for Asking for Refunds

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mitchell271

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Who was this that did it last? Right, they made that ripoff game... what was is called? Oh, that's right, The War Z, the game and dev that is universally hated and no one is going to buy anything from again. Way to improve your image EA.

EDIT: Okay, I've read every post. Disregard the above. Still shady EA...
 

Buccura

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Let's just hope it was just this one person who was being dickish and that EA fires him for this. Otherwise, this is going to be yet another stain on the company.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
Some of the rhetoric that gets thrown around regarding video game companies on these forums is pretty hilarious, EA included, but I'm not sure I'd characterize it as "blind hatred". I'd call it very cogent hatred, occasionally manifested as extreme hyperbole.

And my personal annoyance with EA stems from Origin as well.


Motherfuckers. I will never forgive them.
I guess "blind hatred" is a hyperbolic statement for most of what is said on the forums, but it certainly exists.
 

Therumancer

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Due to my own experiences with Customer Support at EA I tend to believe this, though they didn't threaten to ban me, they just played "pass the buck" and then started ignoring me because I was inconveinent. I've told the story before, and can do so in detail if anyone is really interested, but basically it revolves around a bad product key, a correction, making me create seperate accounts to use the new key, and then never bothering to follow through on letting me merge them so I'm left juggling multiple EA/Origin accounts.

That said, I do kind of see the issue. Launches of these kinds of products never go smoothly, which is kind of stupid because after all these years you'd expect companies to have started taking them more seriously and ensuring a smooth launch. If nothing else I'd expect there to be an "open beta" sufficient to simulate a launch and put stress on the servers before they start charging money. Over the years people getting POed over the state of online game launches have gotten increasingly focused on rallying to demand refunds if the product is crap/non-functional right out of the box. Plenty of launches accross the entire field of gaming have come with mass demands for refunds, and it's become pretty typical for companies to refuse to honor them, after all if they do they are likely to lose a substantial part of their profit/user base before the game ever launches and works. They generally figure people will calm down and be happy afterwards, so they might as well act ambigiously in the short term since they are not likely to be called on it.

To be honest I can't think of many cases from any company where someone has demanded a refund during a bad launch and gotten one. The customer service guy acting like he did probably also had a lot to do with tons of people demanding the same basic thing at around the same time.

Really the only way this is going to change is if a lot of people with the same problem decide to all make an issue even after the game is fixed, and decide to pursue it legally. Something that is difficult with the increasingly common EULA-rider that users will not engage in collective legal actions, forcing them to entirely self-finance and pursue seperate cases.

It could also change of course if companies started taking their launches more seriously, but I don't see that happening. Betas have increasingly turned into a sort of "free preview" than an actual testing mechanism, and there has been increasing concern about letting too many people into the betas, especially as marketing has increasingly become about deception and hiding the facts of a product until release. To be honest it doesn't seem many products undergo anything close to proper pre-launch stress testing anymore.
 

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Frostbite3789 said:
Rachmaninov said:
Frostbite3789 said:
Dryk said:
WoW Killer said:
If you read it, they're only banning people who try to get charges reversed at their bank, which is common practice.
Yeah I noticed that too. Even Valve will ban you with no recourse for charge-backs.
No time for that logic! EA IS TEH SUPRE EVALS!
At the top of this thread, we have evidence that EA do this. But because someone says "Valve do it, too!" without actually providing any evidence, that's all you've got to say?

Because, obviously, if someone says Valve ban people for charge-backs that means they do, and that means EA is totally a cool guy. Yeah?
Then later in the thread we have evidence that EA will hand out a refund if you ask them and don't go to your bank first trying to get a charge back.

wat?
And then later in the thread we have evidence that Valve don't in fact ban anyone for charge-backs.

EA's still the bad guy here. At least anyone who came into this thread and said "EA is evil" would've had at least one piece of evidence to base it on, rather than you, wading in and saying EA's a totally cool guy just because someone else incorrectly mentioned that Valve might do it, too.

AnarchistFish said:
Find a story, twist it, write an exaggerated misleading title which backs up your point further, post as a thread

and voila, you have yourself a fucking escapist thread. now we have somewhere where we can air our irrational hate for a little while! who cares if it isn't true, i want to be angry!
The title is deliberately misleading.

But that doesn't change the fact that EA threatening to ban people (an action which would likely effect your whole Origin account, costing you any other games you had on there) for trying to get their money back, for a product that doesn't work, is bad.

That much is true, and what little anger that nugget of truth might stir isn't irrational.
 

aguspal

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Well I thougt this was hilarious funny lol xD

Its cool to see people fighting aganist EA.
 

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Odd. I was able to get MY refund without any problems...other than that 3.5 hour wait in queue to get to chat with someone anyway.
 

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That's pretty fucking retarded. I think a full return policy is in order if it's within a week of purchase.
 

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Rachmaninov said:
The title is deliberately misleading.

But that doesn't change the fact that EA threatening to ban people (an action which would likely effect your whole Origin account, costing you any other games you had on there) for trying to get their money back, for a product that doesn't work, is bad.

That much is true, and what little anger that nugget of truth might stir isn't irrational.
Ah yes, but the actions of one CS rep does not equal "EA threatening to ban people". Other people have been able to get refunds without a problem. I find it suspicious that the picture of the dialogue between the customer and the rep is posted in a forum, instead of a screen cap of the customer service chat window.
 

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Oh hey, when did Sergey Titov start working for EA?

Oh well, just the usual EA business. I tried to warn all of my friends, that they're wasting money and shouldn't spend money on this right away, but nope, no one listened. Well I hate to say..actually no, i love saying I Told You So in these situations,therefore, I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO.

Ah,refreshing.
 

Rachmaninov

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Church185 said:
Rachmaninov said:
The title is deliberately misleading.

But that doesn't change the fact that EA threatening to ban people (an action which would likely effect your whole Origin account, costing you any other games you had on there) for trying to get their money back, for a product that doesn't work, is bad.

That much is true, and what little anger that nugget of truth might stir isn't irrational.
Ah yes, but the actions of one CS rep does not equal "EA threatening to ban people". Other people have been able to get refunds without a problem. I find it suspicious that the picture of the dialogue between the customer and the rep is posted in a forum, instead of a screen cap of the customer service chat window.
The actions of one CS rep does not equal "EA threatening to ban people" but it does appear to point to an awful part of their returns policy, which would be them banning people for trying to get refunds (if they attempted to use a charge-back).

And I see what you mean about it being on a forum instead of a customer service chat window. That is suspect.

But if it highlights a part of EA's return policy which does in fact ban people for attempting chargebacks, then in truth, whether it's real or not doesn't matter, because the point it is making is still true.

And we don't really have any evidence either way, that it's fake. Only an (admittedly justified) suspicion.
 
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spartandude said:
Are you kidding me? This is just... is their someone in EA who just sits in an arm chair in front of a globe laughing maniacally while twidling his mustache?
/me stops twiddling his moustache.
What? I have no idea what you're talking about!

/me mumbles into intercom, "Erase Spartandude, now; he knows too much".

Captcha: red-handed
 

MrMan999

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EA is evil. In other News the sky is blue and Rare will never reclaim its former glory. News at 11.
 

aguspal

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chadachada123 said:
My thoughts on EA's online support:



I'm not really surprised when EA does something retarded or quasi-illegal. I can only hope that they eventually go under in the face of new, young video game developer-publishers.
I Saw.

I Read.

I LOL´D so hard than I woke up my family and proceed to LOL´D even more.


But really, this image is fake right?
 

Rachmaninov

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Mypetmonkey said:
So basically I'm reading that EA are doing what everybody is doing on charge-backs...

OH THE SHAME EA! OH TEH SHAME!!!
Except that's not true. As we saw evidenced earlier in this thread, Valve don't do the same.

Banning someone would likely affect their whole Origin service.

Because "I disagree that you provided me that game, and I'm going to get a refund." definitely should be rewarded with "Well, you'll be banned from your entire library of games with us, then".
 

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Rachmaninov said:
The actions of one CS rep does not equal "EA threatening to ban people" but it does appear to point to an awful part of their returns policy, which would be them banning people for trying to get refunds (if they attempted to use a charge-back).

And I see what you mean about it being on a forum instead of a customer service chat window. That is suspect.

But if it highlights a part of EA's return policy which does in fact ban people for attempting chargebacks, then in truth, whether it's real or not doesn't matter, because the point it is making is still true.

And we don't really have any evidence either way, that it's fake. Only an (admittedly justified) suspicion.
I'm not sure if banning people for chargebacks is a bad return policy or not. Earlier in the thread someone who claimed to deal with people skirting the system like that said it reflects negatively on the company in the financial realm when a consumer claims that something was a false charge to their account (which is what a chargeback is).

When there are people telling me that they had no problems getting a refund for the same game in the same time window, I don't think jumping to getting the bank involved should be your first choice. At least try to return the item again (yes I know wait times are crazy long right now) so you can at least determine if you were dealing with a lazy CS rep. After that point if they still refuse, and your reason for wanting a refund is reasonable (like the case we are discussing) then you can get the bank involved. After all that, yeah getting banned is stupid and people should rage.

But I'm sure people try to use chargebacks so they don't have to pay for items or want to return something without a reasonable cause, which is fraud and causes the company you do it to headaches because they have to go around afterwards and prove that they weren't taking money out of your account without your permission. So to me it is kind of understandable when they start banning people when that happens, and even going so far as to put it in their return policy.

In response to your last line, yeah I know there is no proof either way, I just like pointing out inconsistency.

(points to tinfoil hat atop his head)
 

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Wow talk about using an inflammatory post title thats not true. He was threatened with a ban *if* he filed a chargeback. This is something the TOS *already* warns you will happen, and is common practice with *ALL* online retailers, including even Steam.

Chargebacks are not something to be tossed around lightly. They are a tool to protect you against illegal transactions, not an unsatisfying experience. They cost everyone involved TONS of money. It is NOT something you just whip out every time you can't get a refund. Using one for purposes it is not intended for *IS CONSIDERED FRAUD*. Common practice world wide is that when a customer chargebacks against a commercial entity, they put them on a list and never again do business with this person because they are a fiscal liability. Amazon, Steam, Origin, BestBuy, Wal*Mart, Blizzard, they *all* do this.
 

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Sargonas42 said:
Wow talk about using an inflammatory post title thats not true. He was threatened with a ban *if* he filed a chargeback. This is something the TOS *already* warns you will happen, and is common practice with *ALL* online retailers, including even Steam.

Chargebacks are not something to be tossed around lightly. They are a tool to protect you against illegal transactions, not an unsatisfying experience. They cost everyone involved TONS of money. It is NOT something you just whip out every time you can't get a refund. Using one for purposes it is not intended for *IS CONSIDERED FRAUD*. Common practice world wide is that when a customer chargebacks against a commercial entity, they put them on a list and never again do business with this person because they are a fiscal liability. Amazon, Steam, Origin, BestBuy, Wal*Mart, Blizzard, they *all* do this.
inb4 people claiming "Steam doesn't do it!" as being a standard response.

Overall I agree with you, Steam is being nice, a lot nicer than they need to be.

Kinda sad how badly people want to hate EA that they'll drum up any excuse they can, and watch the masses swarm to it like it reinforces their opinion about the company.
 

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Sargonas42 said:
Wow talk about using an inflammatory post title thats not true. He was threatened with a ban *if* he filed a chargeback. This is something the TOS *already* warns you will happen, and is common practice with *ALL* online retailers, including even Steam.

Chargebacks are not something to be tossed around lightly. They are a tool to protect you against illegal transactions, not an unsatisfying experience. They cost everyone involved TONS of money. It is NOT something you just whip out every time you can't get a refund. Common practice world wide is that when a customer chargebacks against a commercial entity, they put them on a list and never again do business with this person because they are a fiscal liability. Amazon, Steam, Origin, BestBuy, Wal*Mart, Blizzard, they *all* do this.
Thats harsh and unfair as hell for the customer but OK its true than they all do this lol.