EA, Kingdome of Amalur, The EULA and ToS

[yaydod]

So i just read the terms of agrement to use there game, and what i understud is that EA can shut down my acount (acces to their games) any moment my acount if :
Im part of a groupe that they or "normal" people view as "bad".
I talk bad on their forums (or someone talks bad about me if they still use the same bot)
If i post infringement or a modified part of their game (mods for example if i understood right are illegal in their eyes)
And if they see anything illegal on my PC.

Other thing is that they can patch the game at any moment (wich is a good thing with online plateforms like steam) and screw up All previous saved data, of course they are not responsible for this wich understandable.

I know I forgot several parts but feel free to look it up at :
http://tos.ea.com/legalapp/eula/US/en/ORIGIN/

I read that this will also be on the console and isn't reserved for the PC.
Here is where i saw it but i do not think it is the most relyable source.
http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/48890/what-sort-of-drm-does-kingdoms-of-amalur-have-on-the-ps3


So tell me what you understood and is it me just being a bit paranoid with EA since Origine and other crap.

 

[Verzin]

I'm surprised you installed it. Origin's, or lately anything that comes from EA, terms of service are nothing short of criminal. since you did, just try not to piss off those pig fascists at EA, and you'll probably be fine. so essentially never say a bad word about them or their game online, never install anything that they may consider 'criminal', and never join any group. ever.
I read an interesting article the other day about this sort of thing: http://www.gamespot.com/features/gamers-rights-are-already-gone-6349513/

think about it, or TL;DR, gamer's rights have already been stripped away. by our own volition, and the brain-dead majority are only now starting to figure it out.

 

[boag]

So, basically what they are saying is "dont play our game", at least on the PC.

 

[yaydod]

So, basically what they are saying is "dont play our game", at least on the PC.

It sure seems like it

I'm surprised you installed it. Origin's, or lately anything that comes from EA, terms of service are nothing short of criminal. since you did, just try not to piss off those pig fascists at EA
[..]

I just installed the demo on steam and i wasn't obliged to accept it if wanted to try it out.
But any way it crashed after a cutscene where is was going to what the reckoning was going to do to my enemies

 

[Valanthe]

Actually the second poster makes a valid point, almost every one of your points has been on -every- EULA and ToS I've ever read through, from way back in the late 90's early 2000's

Unfortunately for EA and their dimwittedness, the "See anything illegal" clause is -exactly- why everyone is so pissed off about Origin, because the system used to actively scan your computer, specifically files it had no business looking through, and many people, mysef included, do not take kindly to corporations invading our privacy, whether we have something to hide or not.

Now apparently they've stopped it from doing so now, but as I'm not tech savvy enough to check myself, I only have the word of a forum poster on the Origin forums which I can't find right now.

 

[boag]

Actually the second poster makes a valid point, almost every one of your points has been on -every- EULA and ToS I've ever read through, from way back in the late 90's early 2000's

Unfortunately for EA and their dimwittedness, the "See anything illegal" clause is -exactly- why everyone is so pissed off about Origin, because the system used to actively scan your computer, specifically files it had no business looking through, and many people, mysef included, do not take kindly to corporations invading our privacy, whether we have something to hide or not.

Now apparently they've stopped it from doing so now, but as I'm not tech savvy enough to check myself, I only have the word of a forum poster on the Origin forums which I can't find right now.

And thats basically a PR problem they caused themselves, that will forever haunt them, for what at the time seemed to them like a GOOD IDEA, to combat piracy.

It seems that all these "GOOD IDEAS" have less lasting positive effects than Negative effects.

 

[Valanthe]

Actually the second poster makes a valid point, almost every one of your points has been on -every- EULA and ToS I've ever read through, from way back in the late 90's early 2000's

Unfortunately for EA and their dimwittedness, the "See anything illegal" clause is -exactly- why everyone is so pissed off about Origin, because the system used to actively scan your computer, specifically files it had no business looking through, and many people, mysef included, do not take kindly to corporations invading our privacy, whether we have something to hide or not.

Now apparently they've stopped it from doing so now, but as I'm not tech savvy enough to check myself, I only have the word of a forum poster on the Origin forums which I can't find right now.

And thats basically a PR problem they caused themselves, that will forever haunt them, for what at the time seemed to them like a GOOD IDEA, to combat piracy.

It seems that all these "GOOD IDEAS" have less lasting positive effects than Negative effects.

And I hope it does haunt them for a very good long time, I know it's going to take e a good long while, and more than a few olive branches from EA, before I even think about starting to trust them again.

 

[Wolfram23]

So I finally bothered trying to see if there is a way to stop Origin from collecting data.

The answer is yes.

Run Origin in Sandboxie! This looks like a freaking amazing little program. Basically it will block origin from accessing any info outside of itself. So data collection will be a non-issue.

All the other stuff in the TOS is pretty standard bull shit that tries to remove our rights to our purchases, but there's of course ways "around" that as well.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

So, basically what they are saying is "dont play our game", at least on the PC.

It's more like "go ahead and pirate our game"

This kind of business practice can't last for long. It's only a matter of time before gamers get sick and tired of being treated like criminals. And all of these companies that are treating their customers with no respect will eventually suffer the consequences.

 

[The Artificially Prolonged]

This is unfortunate for me, I wanted to pick up Kingdoms of Amalur after playing the demo. However once I realised EA published it, I began to have second thoughts as I was afraid EA would pull this type of stuff.

 

[yaydod]

So, basically what they are saying is "dont play our game", at least on the PC.

It's more like "go ahead and pirate our game"

This kind of business practice can't last for long. It's only a matter of time before gamers get sick and tired of being treated like criminals. And all of these companies that are treating their customers with no respect will eventually suffer the consequences.

So true, so true.
When will EA understand there is no need to slash the money givers into pieces because their neighbours might steal their product.
Poor an stupid EA.

 

[The Artificially Prolonged]

This is unfortunate for me, I wanted to pick up Kingdoms of Amalur after playing the demo. However once I realised EA published it, I began to have second thoughts as I was afraid EA would pull this type of stuff.

Kingdoms of Amalur has no Origin requirement on Steam. Actually, if you buy it on Steam EA won't see a dime since they seem to publish only the physical copies. If it is too much for you now, wait for a seasonal sale, won't be too long now.

Interesting I did noticed EA and Studio 38 are both credited as publishers to the game, so I was a bit confused. But if if that is the case I'll buy on steam without feeling any guilt

 

[yaydod]

Interesting I did noticed EA and Studio 38 are both credited as publishers to the game, so I was a bit confused. But if if that is the case I'll buy on steam without feeling any guilt

Heh, EA is not listed as publisher in Steam. 38 Studios is the "publisher" there. Also, the trademark on the store page:

"The Trademarks Used Herein Are Owned By Their Respective Owners. ©2012 38 Studios, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning and all associated logos and designs are trademarks or registered trademarks of 38 Studios, LLC and Big Huge Games"

No mention of EA.

Exactly this got me really interested in it. They kept the IP.

If that is the case i might get it when it goes on sale via steam

 

[Von Strimmer]

Maybe all the big publishers have an evil plan to kill the PC market. Make everything as difficult as possible so no one uses it anymore! Its a conspiracy!

 

[Saulkar]

So I finally bothered trying to see if there is a way to stop Origin from collecting data.

The answer is yes.

Run Origin in Sandboxie! This looks like a freaking amazing little program. Basically it will block origin from accessing any info outside of itself. So data collection will be a non-issue.

All the other stuff in the TOS is pretty standard bull shit that tries to remove our rights to our purchases, but there's of course ways "around" that as well.

I just uninstalled Origin today because I am sick of using it through sandboxie. I do not know what went wrong but when I run BF3 through it the game only launches maybe 15% of the time. It works just fine when I want to check some software for viruses that Norton may have missed but BF3 bombs. I am sick and tired of it and gave up. But how has your experience been? From the sounds of it, positive.

 

[Braedan]

I have a feeling that eventually people are going to start thinking along the lines of , "if someone calls me a pirate long enough, I'm going to say fuck it and start acting like one since I'm being treated like one anyways."