Education = Intelligence? Hardly.

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Lilani

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I dunno, I've never really tested it. Sometimes I notice things a lot of others don't, but then sometimes others notice things I don't. And I do believe there is a difference in "intelligence" and "knowledge." To have knowledge is to know stuff. Intelligence is your capacity for knowledge, understanding, reasoning, and lateral thinking. Basically higher brain functions. So I don't really the two as opposed. But, I do think there can be a disparity between one's capacity for knowledge and one's ability to do something useful with that knowledge. Having knowledge means you have intelligence, but having knowledge is only one part of intelligence. You have to be able to apply that knowledge in order to truly realize its potential. Knowing how to perform CPR is all well and good, but it's worth nothing if you don't have the response skills to recognize when it's needed and actually do it under all that pressure.
 

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Realitycrash said:
I'm getting rather sick of the "Do you think you are more intelligent than the average?"-topics that pop up every now and then. How do you people measure intelligence? Is it IQ tests? I doubt it, especially since IQ-tests seem to point more at "you're good at IQ-tests" than "You're intelligent!".
No, what people assume is "intelligence", and what they mean when they say so, is most often education.
That's right. We have very few ways of effectively measuring how smart someone is, especially when you've only encountered them a few times, so education, or how "smart" they sound, is what we say when we mean "He's intelligent".
Or, that's how I see it.

What do you think? Do you really think you're more "intelligent" than the average, or are you just better educated? And if you are more "intelligent" than average, what proof do you have of it? Do you even know how to empirically test such a thing?
Wait wait wait . You are saying a person with more education is NOT more intelligent than a person without education? I don't know how to respond to that. Yes? They are . The whole point OF education is to gain knowledge. Now there is a difference between two people with different kind of education and two people where one has education and the another doesn't .

A doctor must be more intelligent than the guy that dropped out of highschool by definition . He has more knowledge( about a lot of things not just medecin , because he has gone to school) thus is more educated and more intelligent . You COULD argue that there are different types of intelligence, but in my opinion thats just grasping at straws .

Not to say that you HAVE to have a degree to be educated . A person could easily educate themselves from the comfort of their own home , it doesn't
make that person less educated . But in general an educated person is in general more intelligent . I really don't see why they wouldn't . Maybe if your explained you OP better i could understand.
 

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krazykidd said:
Realitycrash said:
I'm getting rather sick of the "Do you think you are more intelligent than the average?"-topics that pop up every now and then. How do you people measure intelligence? Is it IQ tests? I doubt it, especially since IQ-tests seem to point more at "you're good at IQ-tests" than "You're intelligent!".
No, what people assume is "intelligence", and what they mean when they say so, is most often education.
That's right. We have very few ways of effectively measuring how smart someone is, especially when you've only encountered them a few times, so education, or how "smart" they sound, is what we say when we mean "He's intelligent".
Or, that's how I see it.

What do you think? Do you really think you're more "intelligent" than the average, or are you just better educated? And if you are more "intelligent" than average, what proof do you have of it? Do you even know how to empirically test such a thing?
Wait wait wait . You are saying a person with more education is NOT more intelligent than a person without education? I don't know how to respond to that. Yes? They are . The whole point OF education is to gain knowledge. Now there is a difference between two people with different kind of education and two people where one has education and the another doesn't .

A doctor must be more intelligent than the guy that dropped out of highschool by definition . He has more knowledge( about a lot of things not just medecin , because he has gone to school) thus is more educated and more intelligent . You COULD argue that there are different types of intelligence, but in my opinion thats just grasping at straws .

Not to say that you HAVE to have a degree to be educated . A person could easily educate themselves from the comfort of their own home , it doesn't
make that person less educated . But in general an educated person is in general more intelligent . I really don't see why they wouldn't . Maybe if your explained you OP better i could understand.
Very simple, my friend. "Intellect" does not mean "education". Knowledge is not the same as intellect. Being a doctor and knowing much usually requires that you are intelligent, but it doesn't per se imply that you are intelligent. You seem to think that just because someone dropped out of highschool, that makes him unintelligent. Well, it doesn't. It makes his interest deviate from the norm. There are no standard tests for what makes a person "intelligent", even if IQ-tests are sometimes supposed to be this. Still, let's we assume that Iq-tests are the norm. Let a highly educated doctor perform one, and then let a hobo perform one. Most likely, the doctor will have the higher score, but not necessary. Why? Because intellect is not the sum of aquired information, but more of how you use that information, how good you are at adapting it, and many other things that people still debate about. So why does the doctor most likely have a higher score? Because intelligent people tend to do things with their life, and tend to be drawn to the academia, or similar. This does NOT mean that because you are educated, you are intelligent.
As you said yourself, "in general, an educated person is in general more intelligent". Indeed, but it goes Intelligent = Educated. Not Educated = Intelligent.

My aim with this topic was to point out that most people seem to think they are "intelligent" or that other people are "intelligent", when in reality, they mean (most of the time) "I am/this person is educated, and know more than the average person".

Edit: Think of it as your computer. It was RAM, CPU-Speed and Storage Capacity (Harddrive-size). Now, just because your harddrive is full, does it make your comptuer faster, or better at completing tasks? No, it does not. Your RAM or CPU-Speed is the computers "intelligence", while the storage-capacity is its "knowledge".
This is a very loose analogy, but it works to explain the general idea.
 

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I wouldn't say that I am more intelligent then many other people that I know. I would say that I am wiser then most people that I meet.
 

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Shawn MacDonald said:
You either have to have a good aura about you or cool personality to be smart in my book. Just being is not enough to warrant anything. You have the ability to mimic what you read, congrats, so can parrots.
parrots can read?! where can I get one? :D
 

ImperialSunlight

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Intelligence cannot be measured. It's like "good" and "evil". It is an arbitrary human-made quality that doesn't really pertain to anything specific.
 

Zorg Machine

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If someone reacts to a situation by thinking it through and then acting they are intelligent.
If someone reacts to a situation by running forward without a plan they are stupid.

An intelligent man questions, a stupid man follows blindly. An intelligent man tries to figure out solutions, a stupid man forfeits without thinking. A man chooses, a slave obeys (sorry).

Intelligence implies that you can think and that you want to think. Innovations do not necessarily need education but they definitely need intelligence. Education often helps develop the brain which leads to educated people having more intelligence.

of course, we are humans and therefore don't fit categories and the most intelligent can be stupid at times and the other way around.
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Well, since IQ tests are the best things we have, thats what I refer to when I stumble on those threads. I have indeed scored well on IQ tests, but I know what you mean OP.

Theres so many different ways to be smart anyway. I know people who cant add 2 and 2 together but make up for it with good problem management and what not.
Agreed. I think society is aware of the difference though. For instance, My Name is Earl.

Randy = stupid.

Earl = uneducated, but fairly intelligent.

That said, I've met some people who are dumb as bricks over the years.

There was a girl who asked if this was based off of a true story:


That same girl went out with a friend and they couldn't get a ride home so spent the night at some random guy's house. He fortunately turned out not to be a creep.

There was another girl too. It was the middle of the day, and I was in an English class and all the windows were shut. The guy next to me made a soft hooting noise and this girl on the other side of the room said "oh, I just heard an owl."

Then there was a guy who, in the middle of a science lesson about radiation therapy, asked who came up with the words Alpha, Beta and Gamma. That could be seen as lack of education, but it was three weeks before our Science GCSE exam.
 

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Intelligence, like fitness, is a broad term. What I consider to be intelligence may differ from what everyone else here sees as intelligence. For me, intelligence is very abstract and not strictly defined in any way other than being good at something that needs thinking.
 

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I don't think, as a species, we understand enough about the brain to quantify what makes someone smart. Most people's definition of intelligence is pretty medieval.

For example, is someone good at football intelligent? (based solely on the fact they're good at football) This is the sort of thing that wouldn't be classically considered to be a form of intelligence, but when you think about it, it requires a lot of muscle control and tactical thinking, both of which are undoubtedly mental skills.

(Parrots can't read. Dogs and horses can be taught, though. I think Pigs can too, but don't quote me on that.)
 

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If you answer to the question Do you believe Fox News? is anything besides Hell no, you're not intelligent.
That's the only way to test it.
 

The Funslinger

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M920CAIN said:
Shawn MacDonald said:
You either have to have a good aura about you or cool personality to be smart in my book. Just being is not enough to warrant anything. You have the ability to mimic what you read, congrats, so can parrots.
parrots can read?! where can I get one? Dear God, we're doomed! :D
Fixed that for you.
 

Zack Alklazaris

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I am of average education, but I am more intelligent than the average person. My favorite subject is science, I love theoretical physics, chemistry, and general universe sciences. Being able to understand such things requires critical thinking. In this way I believe I am above average intelligence. Comprehending problems and coming up with solutions is an essential part of the vast puzzle solving we must do in our daily lives.

This is very similar to IQ test. From what I've been told they don't test so much for how much knowledge you've collected as much as how good you are at comprehension.

As for proof, while I never have taken a true IQ test (though my online ones are usually 140) when life become tough I attempted to join the army. I scored high enough where I could have pretty much whatever job I wanted. I was going to go in fresh as a Staff Sergent studying to become a CBRN (chemical, radiological, nuclear, biological) specialist. Thankfully my eyes are terrible and they wouldn't let me in.

I know its not true proof, but it is something.
 

ChadSexington

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Thank you Mr. Thread making man, you would not believe the amount of physics students I've explained this to. Being educated is not an indication of intelligence, it's an indication of application.
 

Crazycat690

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Well, if nothing else then you could go by the Kruger-Dunning effect -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

While better education might not directly make you more intelligent I'd say it does help...