Education = Intelligence? Hardly.

[Realitycrash]

Even the most uneducated human being on the planet could do MANY of the jobs requiring money-sucking-diplomas, if they were just shown how to perform the job.

What a horrible world we live in, where money is the only important thing to anybody but the ones who don't have it.

What a horrible world no longer sustaining life to those who cannot produce green paper and copper coins. The cold, dead streets suck the life from the homeless as the prosperous people walk by, their chins in the air and their heads in the clouds.

Another sad truth, indeed. I'v gotten SO MANY JOBS due to contacts, jobs which usually require formal training or some sort of degree, but that any average-joe off-the-street can perform, but never gotten the chance to do, due to not having a "diploma". A classic example is in construction, where there is a lot of heavy lifting to be done (and general logistics), but unless you know someone who can get you in, you can only apply for such a job if you have an a diploma as a carpenter, or similar.
Even worse is a librarian. Takes 5 years of studies to get a "degree" as a librarian where I lvie. FIVE YEARS. And what do they do? Basically little else than understand a certain filing system and have a general knowledge of literature. I can learn that by myself in six months.
Fuck.
Right.
Off.

 

[The Night Shade]

It's impossible to know someone's intelligence from a test or school.

 

[dyre]

Who cares? This mysterious "intelligence" is nice in that everyone can claim to have it, no matter how worthless and ignorant they are, but you know what? I'll take knowledge (generally gained through education, whether from public institutions, self-instruction, or anything else) over "intelligence" any day. If I'm having a conversation with someone about something, and he knows his shit, then I don't care how "intelligent" he is. I care that he's knowledgeable and/or competent.

So maybe "intelligence" is actually some weird, immeasurable concept, but the "intelligence" that matters is knowledge and the ability to apply it, and a lot of that is gained through good education.

 

[Ieyke]

If the thinking was driving-

Intelligence is the car's power
Knowledge is the driver's skill at using the car's power
Wisdom is the driver's ability to use his skills safely and efficiently.


A person with no education and very little knowledge can be vastly more intelligent than someone who has spent decades in study.
Knowledge and education are two very different things.

Basically, intelligence is something you're born with. You can be an idiot, a genius, or most likely something dead center between them. For the most part, you can't really do anything to change this.

Knowledge is something you can accumulate and improve upon through study and experience. Everyone starts out ignorant as a child, but simply by living a person will gain knowledge, and by studying they might become highly knowledgable about a huge array of things.

Intelligence determines what you're capable of doing with your knowledge, not what knowledge you have. A two year old might be a genius, while a professor might be a bit of an idiot. It might be that this child will never learn a huge variety of information, but what he does learn he will truly master. The professor on the other hand can have a skull just jam packed full of info he only thinks he knows how to apply. Things he can recite but doesnt truly comprehend on a instinctive level.


You could have a genius with a load of knowledge and not a drop of wisdom...that's when you get a person who can and will do anything that strikes his fancy without stopping to consider the consequences., which in turn leads to disaster.
You could have a person of fairly low intelligence who's not very well educated, but has all the wisdom in the world, and maybe they'll go through life solving fundamental problems with common sense solutions. A great example is when fairly intelligent and knowledgable guys start flipping out about relationship problems and agonizing over what they should do....and the this guy with just his head full of wisdom says "talk to your girlfriend about it". Intelligence and knowledge won't help you if you don't have the sense to see simple solutions.


Thats why there's different types of "smart". Some rely on intelligence, some on knowledge, and some on wisdom.
People with all three in abundance seem to be few and far between.

 

[gazumped]

After all, we talk about some animals being 'more intelligent' than others. Do we think that dolphins go around in schools? Do we think rats hang out in science labs? Wait... you know what I mean!

Don't dolphins swim in pods?

Sorry my pedantry killed your joke.

Bad, must stop doing that.

I'm the one that should apologise, it was a terrible joke anyway. Not least because of a reference to an un-fact that I picked up from Christmas cracker jokes ("Why are dolphins so clever? Because they swim in...")

I think it's also a sign of intelligence if one is witty... *lowers head in shame*

 

[SckizoBoy]

Consider a real genius, like Hawkings, or Einstein - now in that sort of ball park, name 1 genius who is comparable, even remotely. I'm not talking about some 8 year old with a degree and a mind conditioned to solve one particular type of problem.

I find it a little amusing that you write that... the man's a theoretical physicist... a damned brilliant one, mind (and for all the scorn I pour upon him for merely being a mathematician with an excuse to call himself an applied scientist, he does have one hell of a brain between his ears). He doesn't know jack-shit about chemistry in all likelihood.

Also, it depends on your definition of 'genius'. I don't know about you, but to me, a 'genius' is an individual who has intellectual expertise and applicability to world-class standard in several distinctly different fields of study e.g.

Leonardo Da Vinci.

Or rather, any polymath... though proper polymaths these days are few and far between due to the necessity to specialise.

My favoured polymath (perhaps he is better labelled as a dilletante) is Prince Rupert of the Palatinate... known primarily for being a cavalier officer of the Royalists, but he made significant advances in metallurgy, inorganic chemistry and naval architecture... and is an oft unacknowledged founder of the RS.

Noting your request for 'geniuses of the modern age', I direct you towards Jagadish Chandra Bose... probably the last 'proper' polymath (IMO).

I agree with this so hard. My old man is an US Army Warrent Officer, Computer Programmer, Web Designer, Mechanic, Carpenter, Bee Keeper, Wheat/Hay Farmer, and has a Bach in Mathematics, Masters in Astro Physics.

Fuck I'm 26 and I'm still working on my Bach >.<

Wow... quite a laundry list of jobs your old man's had! Though for a sec I saw 'Bach' and wondered 'how does one have a (JS) Bach in Maths?!'

Anyway, love to meet him! Army NCO and beekeeper: pure awesome!

 

[Dogstile]

I wouldn't say that it would equal intelligence. Anyone who's been in a course for computing in general will know this quite well. While some people are absolutely amazing coders (and I am quite lucky to even know them) many of them cannot network for the life of them and they end up asking people like me for tutoring (which i do in exchange for said coding help).

Asking me if they were more intelligent or if i was more intelligent is nonsense, because when it comes to coding, he'll be intelligent, whereas i'll be an absolutely clueless bastard. However, if you asked the same question based on networking (by this i mean routers and such) than I would be more intelligent by far.

Intelligence for me is less of how much you know, but how well you can converse with others socially to bring up your combined knowledge, so how open minded you are. I'd say its a mark of an intelligent wo/man to be able to think about ideas with actual interest. I'd say its a mark of education to be able to apply those ideas.

 

[Sandytimeman]

Wow... quite a laundry list of jobs your old man's had! Though for a sec I saw 'Bach' and wondered 'how does one have a (JS) Bach in Maths?!'

Anyway, love to meet him! Army NCO and beekeeper: pure awesome!

Yeah, hes a really impressive guy. He just wants to do something and he does it. Though on the Warrant officer side of things my dad tells this story where he is sitting down at the mess table. And this 2nd lieutenant leans over and goes "Am I supposed to salute you?"

It's funny because technically my dad is a lower rank then him. But my dad has all silver hair, and so people seem to think he is like some big shot or just don't know exactly how a warrant officer fits into the ranking system lol.

 

[SckizoBoy]

Yeah, hes a really impressive guy. He just wants to do something and he does it. Though on the Warrant officer side of things my dad tells this story where he is sitting down at the mess table. And this 2nd lieutenant leans over and goes "Am I supposed to salute you?"

It's funny because technically my dad is a lower rank then him. But my dad has all silver hair, and so people seem to think he is like some big shot or just don't know exactly how a warrant officer fits into the ranking system lol.

LOL Well, he's sure as hell got years and experience over a 2nd Lt. Your dad could've joshed about and gone 'yeah, salute me, pipsqueak!' Not sure about now, but most junior officers had sergeants (or senior) with them to make sure they didn't fuck up, since they'd be fresh out of military academy (and yet to have a proper shave).

But what gets me is... he's a beekeeper on top of all that! Not an easy skill to learn, that...

 

[Sandytimeman]

Yeah, hes a really impressive guy. He just wants to do something and he does it. Though on the Warrant officer side of things my dad tells this story where he is sitting down at the mess table. And this 2nd lieutenant leans over and goes "Am I supposed to salute you?"

It's funny because technically my dad is a lower rank then him. But my dad has all silver hair, and so people seem to think he is like some big shot or just don't know exactly how a warrant officer fits into the ranking system lol.

LOL Well, he's sure as hell got years and experience over a 2nd Lt. Your dad could've joshed about and gone 'yeah, salute me, pipsqueak!' Not sure about now, but most junior officers had sergeants (or senior) with them to make sure they didn't fuck up, since they'd be fresh out of military academy (and yet to have a proper shave).

But what gets me is... he's a beekeeper on top of all that! Not an easy skill to learn, that...

Yeah it was kind of a family activity back in the day we had 55 hives going. Our great uncle started with 4 hives to make his own honey. And he showed my dad, who started with a hive in our backyard when we still lived in town before we moved out to the farm. After our first few harvests he kept expanding. It was really nice having access to large amount of pure honey and beeswax actually. I kinda miss that.

 

[SckizoBoy]

Yeah it was kind of a family activity back in the day we had 55 hives going. Our great uncle started with 4 hives to make his own honey. And he showed my dad, who started with a hive in our backyard when we still lived in town before we moved out to the farm. After our first few harvests he kept expanding. It was really nice having access to large amount of pure honey and beeswax actually. I kinda miss that.

Good grief, 55?! Well, summers must've been busy...!

How large did swarms get?

 

[Sandytimeman]

Yeah it was kind of a family activity back in the day we had 55 hives going. Our great uncle started with 4 hives to make his own honey. And he showed my dad, who started with a hive in our backyard when we still lived in town before we moved out to the farm. After our first few harvests he kept expanding. It was really nice having access to large amount of pure honey and beeswax actually. I kinda miss that.

Good grief, 55?! Well, summers must've been busy...!

How large did swarms get?

I'm assuming you mean by swarm is when a large hive splits? or do you mean general population?

Generally when doing hives you have two types of boxes. Each box has some frames for them to build the honey combs on. Large boxes are the food / area you leave for the hive to live off of, and smaller boxes are for where you have them build the excess (though when full those small boxes are like almost 100 lbs >.< )

So generally a strong hive would be 3 boxes, at that point the hive would be preparing itself to split off. You can generally tell because of the formation of a second queen. It's generally best to split them off into their own hive yourself.

Generally a decent hive would be two boxes high. Like so:

also a side note you'll very rarely see a wild swarm of bees, bees don't live long in the wild anymore because of all the European diseases and mites that got brought over. (exception would include those africanized bees)

 

[SckizoBoy]

I'm assuming you mean by swarm is when a large hive splits? or do you mean general population?

Generally when doing hives you have two types of boxes. Each box has some frames for them to build the honey combs on. Large boxes are the food / area you leave for the hive to live off of, and smaller boxes are for where you have them build the excess (though when full those small boxes are like almost 100 lbs >.< )

So generally a strong hive would be 3 boxes, at that point the hive would be preparing itself to split off. You can generally tell because of the formation of a second queen. It's generally best to split them off into their own hive yourself.

Generally a decent hive would be two boxes high. Like so:

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also a side note you'll very rarely see a wild swarm of bees, bees don't live long in the wild anymore because of all the European diseases and mites that got brought over. (exception would include those africanized bees)

Oh, I knew that... sort of...(!) Studied next to an apiculture lab for my master's and lunched with the beekeepers on a regular basis, so I picked up a bit of the know-how (though not much on the do-how side...). Since all the hives were for research purposes, they were all fairly small in comparison (one box, and even the observational hives were small, I don't think any of them grew to be larger than a couple thousand-ish and one of the queens was so weak her hive basically died out despite introducing loads of extra workers, I think it never had more than a thousand workers).

The drones were kinda funny though when we had them, just trundling around the hive getting in the way of the workers...! Still, the lab produces a fair bit of honey each year, which is cool. Funniest line from one of the postdocs: 'need ta getcha sperm'dup!' while swaying and cooing in front of the observational hive!

 

[Sandytimeman]

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The funnier thing to me anyway is that, Drones are pushed out of the hive for the winter to die. Because they are only used for fertilizing another hives queen. My mom often said she should adopt a similar policy in regards to me and my dad :3 lol

but yeah if you got anymore questions about Beekeeping the do-how side, you can msg me. I spent ages 10-18 messing with hives along side my dad. XD

 

[Andy Szidon]

So, for example, doing good in math class is education but doing good in math competitions not school-related (i.e. Mathcounts) is intelligence.

 

[Olas]

If anything, in terms of common sense, problem solving, and analytical skills, uneducated people are probably superior than educated. The main reason I believe this is that without having all the worlds knowledge handed to them they are forced to learn and figure things out on their own independently.

This is one explanation that I've heard for why early humans actually had larger brains than modern day ones.
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/07/the-incredible-shrinking-human-b.html

They had to survive in much harsher environments than we do without calculators, dictionaries, or Wikipedia to aid them. They didn't have information simply thrust on to them at an early age so each generation had to start from scratch, and if they couldn't learn quickly enough, they died.

Knowledge DEFINITELY doesn't equal intelligence.