Eldar 6th edition release in a week
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There are also a lot of ways to counter cover now. Like Rim firing at the men out of cover. That deserves a mention.VeneratedWulfen93 said:
And also the fact power weapons are now only AP3. Making Bloodletters and banshees even more useless now.
I say good for them, my friend plays Eldar and is the best player in our group.
Eldrad with full seer council,
a wave serpent,
Dire avengers
Rangers
and Dark reapers generally will draw the ire of many.
I hope the Iggies get a new codex soon, while they are good now for sure. But thats just my Imperial guard self talking.
I know for balance and stream lining purposes they don't have this, but they should really make Snipers one shot kill those things. In real, or even 40K life, a sniper would be the bane of Dreadknights and the riptides. Fuck that bullshit on a integrated shield unit, why do you waste a entire shield unit when its cheaper just to armor the cock pit?VeneratedWulfen93 said:
Tau were shit, Eldar will be too. GW still hates Xenos. GW will still suck balls and continue to hate selling their product.
This company will die within the next 5 years unless Hasbro/WotC rescue this train wreck.
6th edition is a horrible rule set. Fliers are shoehorned in, the alliance table is neither balanced nor does it make any sense fluffwise.
Everything got random, everything got "cinematic". All that's left is a terrible beer&pretzles boardgame.
Also they tried to shift everything to foot unit, so they can sell their infantry in 6th after they've sold their Rhinos in 5th.
Ragh, i can't even state how much i began to hate this game. Whenever you thought GW can't get any dumber they manage to suprise you. It's the most incompetent company i know.
This company will die within the next 5 years unless Hasbro/WotC rescue this train wreck.
6th edition is a horrible rule set. Fliers are shoehorned in, the alliance table is neither balanced nor does it make any sense fluffwise.
Everything got random, everything got "cinematic". All that's left is a terrible beer&pretzles boardgame.
Also they tried to shift everything to foot unit, so they can sell their infantry in 6th after they've sold their Rhinos in 5th.
Ragh, i can't even state how much i began to hate this game. Whenever you thought GW can't get any dumber they manage to suprise you. It's the most incompetent company i know.
Lookin forward to the 6th edition Ork update myself.
Dumb Panzies aint even good for propper lootin'.
Ok all kidding aside I'm not super keen on the Eldar, and when I am it's usually the Dark Eldar that hold my attention.
Still looking forward to checking out the new codex though.
Know your enemy and all that.
Dumb Panzies aint even good for propper lootin'.
Ok all kidding aside I'm not super keen on the Eldar, and when I am it's usually the Dark Eldar that hold my attention.
Still looking forward to checking out the new codex though.
Know your enemy and all that.
The Draigo Wing terminator lists aren't really as broken anymore. In 5th edition they were awful in certain scenarios and against certain armies because they could do wound allocation shenanigans to make sure that you had to do 1 wound to everyone before any of them would start to die off. Wound allocation is different in 6th though so it's easier to whittle them down. 5/6 of the scenario's in the rule book being objective based also helps since Draigo Wing lists are low on model count and can only hold one objective at a time.Bertylicious said:
That said, some armies still have a great deal of trouble with them. For example, Tyranids struggle because the Terminators have their 2+ armour save but Tyranids have few options to crack that effectively at range. They also tend to have Storm Shields providing a 3+ invulnerable save so even if you get past the 2+ they're still pretty tough. And worst of all is that they frequently get armed with Halberds that can easily instant kill multi-wound models and a banner man that makes those weapons automatically activate without needing to pass the usual psychic test. This makes things even worse for Tyranids as the Halberds bump the Terminators up to a decent initiative level and most good melee options for Tyranids to crack that armour save are on multi-wound models. Usually if you use them though, they get hit first or at the same initiative step and get insta-killed. Often without killing anything or only killing a model worth a fraction of its cost.
It gets better. Eldar Players will be getting the Wraithknight.VeneratedWulfen93 said:
...Instant Awesome just Add Mecha? O_O
Currently transports are of dubious value. You can't assault in the same turn you disembark from a closed transport, no matter if it was stationary or moved. The stupid hull point mechanic has made all vehicle more squishy, and assault is now the bane of vehicles as even a vehicle moving flat out is hit on 3+ in assault. 6th has made infantry more viable, as beforehand mechanised was THE way to play.Bertylicious said:
The Paladin's (2W termies) are 55 points base. They also struggle somewhat against 2+ armour because power weapons now have AP, and AP2 CCW are either really rare or unweildy (strike at I1).
Stupid bloody thing. If they wanted to do a bigass robot, call that new kit the new Wraithlord. There doesn't need to be a bigger wraith construct than the Wraithlord, that was the Wraithlord's schtick. I don't want to see Wraithlord's forced out by the new shiny that steals its role (I know wraithlords will still be in the codex, but if the Wraih Knight's any good, they'll probably make Wraithlords not worth taking).Sigma Castell said:
The Dreadknight baby-carrier is stupid, but in the Riptide's defence, they have armoured the cockpit, the pilots in Tau suits are curled up in the torso, the "head" is just a sensor suite to make the model not look stupid.Timedraven 117 said:
Oh i see. That makes MUCH more sense then. Snipers though, need a bit more power to them. Maybe they kill a crew member in the thing through a vision slit? Maybe all my rambling is pointless?Megalodon said:
cheers for the info guys!
I would like to add that there is a fan made film coming up called "inquisitor"
it's Been given the blessing of games workshop and looks great! Unlike ultramines.... (I actually enjoyed ultramarines!)
I would like to add that there is a fan made film coming up called "inquisitor"
it's Been given the blessing of games workshop and looks great! Unlike ultramines.... (I actually enjoyed ultramarines!)
So you were a little vague.Adeptus Aspartem said:
Tell me how you really feel.
[ I would love to get into Warhammer but the cost has always kept me away sadly. ]
Um, the only Grey Knight who has a Storm Shield is Draigo, it's not even an option for squads of terminators or characters.Vivi22 said:
Genestealers and the Doom are the Nids best counters to that kind of army.
So what was bad about the Tau book? Bullshit fluff aside, the crunch looked pretty solid.Adeptus Aspartem said:
While many of the 6th changes (flyers, allies, random shit, wound allocation) are BS, the game doesn't play too much differently form 5th. The new rules have made infantry focused armies viable against after multiple editions of mechainsed dominance, why is that such a travesty?
They did get a buff this edition, being able to make precision shots on 6s, where the sniper gets to allocate the wound to whoever he likes. Plus the rending is nice.Timedraven 117 said:
2nd edition had rules for killing indivdual vehicle crew, and like a lot of 2nd, it was rather long-winded and unsuited for a game the scale of 40k, adding to the really slow nature of 2nd ed games.
My neighbour is probably going to get it as he usually plays space drow and has a few standard pointy ears for allies. I however, recently got the 1st Horus Heresy book from forge world and a bunch of their new Mechanicus Thallax units, so that ate up my 40K budget for the next 6 months.
Thats what I thought, and why i said earlier that my idea would have been kicked just on streaming issues alone.Megalodon said:
Don't get me wrong, the hobby isn't exactly cheap. On the other hand, it does offer pretty good value in time vs money spent. Say a box like this costing £23.theultimateend said:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440177a&prodId=prod260003a&rootCatGameStyle=
Now that's a couple of hours to assemble the figures, then painting each one takes a good few hours too. So you're looking at probably at least 20-30 hours spent assembling, painting and basing them. Then putting a time on gaming with them is much harder. But contrast that to games where a new £40 game will generally take 8-16 hours to beat.
Again not saying it's cheap, but realistically it's a hobby not massively worse than most.
The Taubook didn't work in 5th, and does not in 6th. The main problem, decent troops, still remain. Things that needed change didn't get any. It was mostly shuffling some numbers around but besides the Riptide it's the same friggin codex as before without S10 guns on the XV88.Megalodon said:
Which means: Tau is still a solid ally, but a bad choice for a main force.
Alot of people were already aware this was going to happen, since the ally chart made the Tau the whores of the universe with 12 or so allies.
Don't get me wrong, it's not as if their not playable, they were my main army a long time, but for a tournament play their performance is to unstable to be considered anything but mediocre. Sadly, it remains the 2nd strongest Xenos codex (3rd if we count Chaos as Xenos and not as evil Imperials).
tl;dr => Codex changed numbers around, unplayable units still unplayable, bad troops not fixed
See THAT is the main problem. The rules are totally bullshit, but we GW costumers are used to such treatment, so we don't even care anymore. The shift onto foot was only made, because they wanted to sell models - since they've sold metal boxes before, now they want you to field 100 foot soldiers. It had nothing to do with balance or game design.
Fliers are broken and alot of them got nerfed by FAQ errata after they've sold a bunch. It's the usual GW thing: Bring something new, make it broken, FAQ nerf it after it sold.
Fun part: Mech/Semi-Mech is still stronger than pure foot lists. Also the forced shift onto foot hurt Xenos more than any other. 5+ cover for Xenos matters, Marines never used cover anyway.
PS: Actually wound allocation actually got better, imo. Sped things up alot.
PPS: Out local tournaments still look the same: Imps/GK's plow through everything. You won't stop crazy ass lists with 15-20 vehicles and 50-70 troops with the other codizes. Specially not with Xenos ones.
And to everyone who wants to start with Miniature Gaming: Don't.
Currently the whole industry is on a decline since years. The costs are gettin' crazier than ever, and there's nothing besides some fun matches. Most tournaments are shit and the most companies don't support their own game very well - at least not compared to E-Sports, MTG or even Boardgames like Dominion/Settlers of Catan.
Also 3D-Printers are on their way and few miniature players already started producing their minis themselves because it's cheaper.
Unless Hasbro/Wizards buys one of those trainwrecks and revives the genre i'd bet miniature gaming dies in few year. My last hope is currently the Shadowrun miniature game that's in the making, since the designers they got on board are crazy: Gregory Marques, Mike Elliot and James Lin 3 MTG R&D fellas. Rob Heinsoo and Rob Watkins designers from D&D 3.5/4 Edition and Conan Chamberlain who worked on over 50 diffrent projects with Vivendi, EA, Disney and more.
If that game fails too, the genre will die out.