Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: Dragonborn DLC files found in latest patch

[SajuukKhar]

If all that is true, then why do they even bother to fight you? Sure, there would be the brave few who would fight to the death with courage, but the majority? Why not surrender if they have no hope? All that just makes the dragon seem like a minor enemy to you, not some proud warrior-race to fear, just something extra to kill.

Because the Dragons wish to prove themselves to their father Aka, and defeating his avatar would do that.

On top of that, beating you would make them the strongest Thu'um, and thus have the right to challenge Parth for leadership.

Dragons are prideful, and seek power, but if you show them the Thu'um that beat Alduin Epoch-Eater, they will submit.

Also, both Odahviing, and Durnehviir, show that if you kick their ass, they will submit to you.

 

[Eddie the head]

I don't really give two flying shits about hardcore mode personally.

-Desert Salads are difficult to make due to the rarity of pinyon nuts.
-Caravan lunches require scavenging themselves, and heal for, at max, +9 hp/sec.

It is far cheaper, far less time consuming, and provides far faster healing, to just use stimpacks. Food items are literally outclassed in every single way by stimpacks.

It has nothing to do with me not wanting to use them, I really DO want to use them, the simple fact of the matter is though, they aren't worth it compared to stimpacks. They are not a viable alternative of equal healing power.

Buffout, and Sierra Madre Martinis, only gives you additional HP, it does not regn you current HP, and thus they are not viable alternate healing methods.

So I just played though the game using a Riot Shotgun and the Courier Duster. Neither of those would be the best in the game overall. The Encave power armor is the best in the game and Ysc/1 something whatever is one of the best guns in the game. That gun is grate for killing Deathclaws, but I went through and I use light armor and a riot shot gun(and yeah I know armor doesn't matter for Deathclaws) was it as good as using a sniper rife and keeping back so they have to run far? No no it wasn't. But it was a good substitute.

The Definition of Substitute is "A person or thing acting or serving in place of another." Like lets say High Fructose Corn Syrup it's a substitute for sugar. Is it as good as sugar? That's up for debate, I don't think so. But there is no denying that it is a Substitute. Food can heal for just as much if not more then Stempacks. Overtime but it's still a completely viable substitute. If you think otherwise fine it's your opinion, but your opinion is wrong.

I know that sounds harsh and a bit mean. But in the end it's like the people in my country that say "this was always a Christian nation" or something to that effect. In the end they are factually incorrect. Just you are now. And I am sorry I really am I know this sounds arrogant, but your not willing to accept the truth for whatever reason, and I am done. And in the end this is a small thing that has little to no meaning in day to day life. Peace out I am done with this argument.

 

[SajuukKhar]

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I don't deny food can heal as much as as stimpacks over time.

But, it is 100% mathematically provable, that food is not as effective as stimpacks when comparing their heal/time ratios.

1 stimpack = 30HP in 0 seconds
1 food item = 45 hp over 15 seconds

10 stimpacks = 300HP in 0 seconds
10 food items = 450 hp over 150 seconds

30HP in 0 seconds > 45 hp over 15 seconds
300HP in 0 seconds > 450 hp over 150 seconds

Instant healing > Healing over time
Stimpacks > food items

Over time means nothing when you can can get the same thing INSTANTLY.

You are wrong, and it is provable by basic math.

 

[Eddie the head]

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I don't deny food can heal as much as as stimpacks over time.

But, it is 100% mathematically provable, that food is not as effective as stimpacks when comparing their heal/time ratios.

1 stimpack = 30HP in 0 seconds
1 food item = 45 hp over 15 seconds

10 stimpacks = 300HP in 0 seconds
10 food items = 450 hp over 150 seconds

30HP in 0 seconds > 45 hp over 15 seconds
300HP in 0 seconds > 450 hp over 150 seconds

Instant healing > Healing over time
Stimpacks > food items

Over time means nothing when you can can get the same thing INSTANTLY.

You are wrong, and it is provable by basic math.

To bad math doesn't have anything to do with this. Again substitute: "a person or thing that takes the place or function of another" in no definition of that word or usage dose it stat it's better or just as good. Whale blubber can be used as a substitute for oil, is it just as good as oil? No it's much harder to find. Electricity can be used as a heat source a substitute for that would be gas. Show me 100 reports that show that gas saves you money, doesn't mean electricity is any less of a substitute. Food heals you, stempacks heal you. They both serve the same function, one can be a substitute for another. And that's exactly what you said it wasn't.

 

[SajuukKhar]

To bad math doesn't have anything to do with this. Again substitute: "a person or thing that takes the place or function of another" in no definition of that word or usage dose it stat it's better or just as good. Whale blubber can be used as a substitute for oil, is it just as good as oil? No it's much harder to find. Electricity can be used as a heat source a substitute for that would be gas. Show me 100 reports that show that gas saves you money, doesn't mean electricity is any less of a substitute. Food heals you, stempacks heal you. They both serve the same function, one can be a substitute for another. And that's exactly what you said it wasn't.

Food doesn't take the place, or fiction, of stimpacks.

-Food is a consumable item based off of things one would eat in the Fallout universe, whose function is to heal over time.
-Stimpacks are a type of medicine in the Fallout universe, whose function is to be a instant heal device.

-Food is food
-Food heals over time

-Medicine is medicine
-Medicine heals instantly

-Food =/= Medicine
-Healing over time =/= healing instantly.

Food is not a substitute for stimpakcs because it neither
-Take the place of Fallout's medicine
-Take the place of medicines function

THINK BEFORE YOU POST.

 

[Eddie the head]

Food doesn't take the place, or fiction, of stimpacks.

-Food is a consumable item based off of things one would eat in the Fallout universe, whose function is to heal over time.
-Stimpacks are a type of medicine in the Fallout universe, whose function is to be a instant heal device.

-Food is food
-Food heals over time

-Medicine is medicine
-Medicine heals instantly

-Food =/= Medicine
-Healing over time =/= healing instantly.

Food is not a substitute for stimpakcs because it neither
-Take the place of Fallout's medicine
-Take the place of medicines function

THINK BEFORE YOU POST.

Well now I know how David Boies felt. This is such a bad argument that can't argue it. I'm sorry, just no just no. I'm done if you want to take this as a victory fine but your the only one who is going to think that.

Captcha: this is not fake. Well could have fooled me.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Well now I know how David Boies felt. This is such a bad argument that can't argue it. I'm sorry, just no just no. I'm done if you want to take this as a victory fine but your the only one who is going to think that.

And your entire argument relies on using a super literal definition of something in order to twist what I had originally said into something else.

When I originally said "food is not a substitute for stimpacks" I was talking about how its healing it nowhere near equal to stimpacks, and you knew it.

You went on some moronic argument about the literal, by the book, definition of a word, and that was your entire argument, which is to say it was entirely semantics.

Fallout's foods items were specifically deigned to not have the same function as Fallout's medicine, they are not a substitute for each other, because they are mechanically different in their functions on purpose.

On top of that, I have mathematically proven that food does not, and can not, heal anywhere near as fast as stimpacks can, food is worthless when compared to stimpacks, your claims otherwise have been proven false using math, and the fact you had to resort to a semantics argument is frankly sad, and childish.

Now please, if you are not going to make an argument with mathematical, or logical, support behind it, then stop talking on my thread.

 

[Matheus Moreira]

Well, I play Skyrim with a mod (among many others) that makes it necessary to eat, drink and sleep. It's how I like to role-play. With that mod, food doesn't heal, just feed you. There are degrees of deprivation for all the three needs that involve lowering magic, health and stamina regeneration and also lowering speech checks. I can't role-play those deprivations with my mind, you see; I can pretend I'm hungry and eat, but I can't pretend I'm needing water and low my stamina.

About the dragon mount, I think I'll pass, if it will be overpowered as I think. That's a decision that makes sense role-playing with your mind: the dragon is there, it's not illogical getting it, but your choice is riding a horse. Very different is the situation with the guilds: the honorable warrior's guild is there, it's illogical to be accepted if you are a thief, but you are accepted if that's your choice.

The whole point is that. There are choices that you can make to role-play and that fit nice, because it's like that in a table rpg or even in real life. However, there are others that you shouldn't be able to do or should be able, but suffer the consequences, because they doesn't fit within a society, be it fictional or real.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Very different is the situation with the guilds: the honorable warrior's guild is there, it's illogical to be accepted if you are a thief, but you are accepted if that's your choice.

The thing is though, no guild would deny you access to their guild because
1. No one knows you are in the DB, or the Thieves guild, except people who wont snitch on you, be it out of fear or respect.

2. The companions, while all "we are true nords and don't use magic" are also giant hipocrites, and wouldstill welcome a magic user, so long as they can fight.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

Its like you have a vendetta against anyone speaking against your own views.....

 

[SajuukKhar]

Its like you have a vendetta against anyone speaking against your own views.....

No, I just post why the lore of the game does support being able to do it.

People say it is illogical that you can join every guild, and I can point out, how the lore of the game itself proves otherwise.

Saying it is illogical to be able to join every guild is like saying there are no Vampires in Elder scrolls, the games themselves show you that is not true.

I am sorry I actually know about the game's lore enough to explain why the game is the way it is instead of just making comments about how illogical things that have been explained in the games for years are.

If people were saying the super mutants from Fallout were made by space aliens, and I told them it was made by the FEV, I am sure you would be there telling me to stop trying to force my views on people.

 

[AlotFirst]

Its like you have a vendetta against anyone speaking against your own views.....

No, it's more like he has attracted the "I love Morrowind and hate Skyrim/Oblivion"-circlejerk that inhabits the Escapist forums. The circlejerk is to blame for completely de-railing this thread.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Spears
https://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1417392-18-beta-update-solsthiem-dlc-hints-thread-9/
http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/14...ts-thread-9/page__view__findpost__p__21660876

Spear ForwardPowerAttack
Spear StandingPowerAttack
Spear.txt
Spear_Attack1

what will they find next?

No, it's more like he has attracted the "I love Morrowind and hate Skyrim/Oblivion"-circlejerk that inhabits the Escapist forums. The circlejerk is to blame for completely de-railing this thread.

Look, I love Morrowind as much as the next person in line in this circle jerk, but, we all need to realize, there IS a circle jerk going around. Shivering Isles has its own also.

Don't get me wrong, they were good, really good, but they weren't THAT good.

and really, most games from before 2000 that get mentioned on The Escapist, also have their own circle jerks going on.

 

[KoudelkaMorgan]

Did I stumble into Gamefaqs by mistake? What the hell became of this thread.

I seem to be one of the few people that still have an interest in the actual original topic. If true, that PS3 is getting something as DLC for realsies with no take backs, then cool.

If, unlike the current 2 DLCs its something bitchin like going to Hermaeus Mora's little slice of Oblivion then sweet!

Hopefully there will be a bit of the Lovecraftian horror element to go along with Sir Tentacle Monster that knows ALL. I'd settle for him not speaking every line like Richard Nixon on Futurama with his mouth full like he does currently in game.

Dragon mounts would sadly require me to like the dragons, and probably allow them into Skyrim in the first place to work. I have no desire to ride one, but if you wanna then please watch where they poop when flying over Riften because we JUST cleaned the temple of Mara last week.

But if there were to be some new spells tucked away in that daedric prince's library, like the lost art of UNLOCK or just something cooler than the vanilla snorefest in destruction particularly I'd buy it.

 

[Dandark]

Did I stumble into Gamefaqs by mistake? What the hell became of this thread.

Yeah the thread seems to have kinda been derailed by some guy going on about how terrible Skyrim is because he doesn't understand roleplay or something, SajuukKhar is still posting new info as he gets it though so thanks for that SajuukKhar.

This DLC keeps getting better and better. When it comes to melee weapons I have always liked using spears so even if they work the same as two handed weapons I am still looking forward to them being put back in.

Dragon mounts sound awesome! Im the dragonborn, I have always wanted to be able to ride a dragon!

Im looking forward to the new area too, I love the elder scrolls lore but do not know all that much about it other than what I have read from books in-game, the wiki and from posts of people who do know it like SajuukKhar. The new area sounds interesting and im excited to see how else they can continue the story now, I imagine it's going to involve tensions between the Nords and Dark elves, maybe the Thalmor are trying to stir up trouble?

 

[SajuukKhar]

The new area sounds interesting and im excited to see how else they can continue the story now, I imagine it's going to involve tensions between the Nords and Dark elves, maybe the Thalmor are trying to stir up trouble?

I personally doubt that The Thalmor are going to be involved in any of the DLC.

Skyrim was really just supposed to introduce them, their background, and their motives, for the next Elder Scrolls game, which is going to be about kicking their ass.

If the DLC is named "Dragonborn" I would think it deals with the fact that before the game was released, Todd Howard said several times that we are the only KNOWN Dragonborn, and indeed the Greybeards say that it is possible there are other out there, but they haven't been revealed to them.

It would be badass if there was another Dragonborn out there, and hes like the final badguy of this DLC.

that or Bethesda is going to expand upon the lore of the dragonborn, and tie the player together with Talos even more in some way.

Ohh yes, there is also some evidence to suggest casting magic on horses will be added also
http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1417392-18-beta-update-solsthiem-dlc-hints-thread-9/page__view__findpost__p__21661243

Magica.HorseMode = true;
Magica.WarHorseMode = true;

WarhorseMode is the same mode the player gos in when they draw a sword and starts mounted combat.

 

[Dandark]

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Has there ever been an incident where two avatars of the same God came into contact before? The Dragonborn is the avatar of Akatosh so if two of them meet then I would assume they would end up being allies in some way, or maybe they are like rivals?

I imagine your right about the Thalmor not being too involved but I wouldn't be surprised to see them in a side mission to do with stirring up trouble between the Nords and the Dark elves.
I'd like for them to explore the tie between the Dragonborn and Talos more as I don't know too much about that.

I assume that the tie is something to do with the fact that Talos was also a dragonborn but im not sure, I remember you mentioning something about the PC following in the footsteps of Talos with Tullius or Ulfric(Something like that anyway) but I don't really understand the tie. Hopefully they will expand on it some more.

Also being able to use magic on horseback now = HELL YEAH!!!!

 

[SajuukKhar]

Has there ever been an incident where two avatars of the same God came into contact before? The Dragonborn is the avatar of Akatosh so if two of them meet then I would assume they would end up being allies in some way, or maybe they are like rivals?

Well Ysmir Wulfharth, Zurin Arctus, and Tiber Septim where each avatars of Lorkhan, and they all met and interacted with each other, and weren't rivals.... well at first.

Also, the tie with Tullius, Ulfric, and the Dragonborn, relates to their connection with The Rebel, the King, and the Observer.

Its a sort of mythic trinity that exists throughout time, kind of like the Christian holy trinity of the father, the son, and the holy spirit.

Each are separate parts of a single overall being that is God.

The Rebel, the King, the Observer
Lorkhan, Akatosh, Magnus
Ysmir, Tiber, Zurin
Ulfric, Tullius, Dovahkiin
Sheogorath, Jyggalayg, Champion of Cyrodiil

 

[Dandark]

Has there ever been an incident where two avatars of the same God came into contact before? The Dragonborn is the avatar of Akatosh so if two of them meet then I would assume they would end up being allies in some way, or maybe they are like rivals?

Well Ysmir Wulfharth, Zurin Arctus, and Tiber Septim where each avatars of Lorkhan, and they all met and interacted with each other, and weren't rivals.... well at first.

Well I imagine that there won't be too much difference between him and another character then other than that he also has dragonborn powers, fighting another Dragonborn as a final boss would be pretty badass so I could easily see them putting that in. I imagine there will be a choice of factions but it will probably turn out like

Spoiler: Dawnguard spoilers

Harkon in Dawnguard, if you joined the vampires or the vampire hunters you still fought him as the last boss

Given how the boss fights in dawnguard were pretty epic I imagine they could do something cool with a dragonborn fight. If they do add the ability to ride dragons then you will probably fight him/her in a dragon dual.......................



That would be the most epic thing ever.


EDIT: Didn't quite notice that bit about the holy trinity in your comment then(Damn you quote messages). I never realized that
Now that you mention it though it does kind of make sense, I just never realized it. This is why I love the ES lore, there is so much to it that I am constantly finding out new stuff that I never knew before and most of it is cryptic or unknown which is great =D