Ellen Page Nudity in Beyond: Two Souls Triggers Aggressive Sony Response
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For those people who want to take it to a whole 'nother level, google "Channel J" - The Dance of the Sphinx & The Chimera.shogunblade said:
Congratulations - You're now a Level 30 Defoe Nakedologist and the game is thankfully over.
Hmm, yes. Why would David Cage; a man who actively collected a plethora of photos from around the web of Ellen Page as a child and adult; insist that the character designers craft a fully-detailed, fully-nude model of Page's character if he had no intention on actually showing the character in full?
Hmm. Can't for the life of me think of why a man like Cage would do such a thing...
Seriously. The guy's either obsessed or a creeper. Or both. [http://kotaku.com/the-video-game-that-began-with-pictures-of-ellen-page-1440500148]
But hey, whatever. Quantic, Sony, and Cage brought this on themselves.
It's like company execs don't realize that modders, hackers, and the internet exist.
Hmm. Can't for the life of me think of why a man like Cage would do such a thing...
Seriously. The guy's either obsessed or a creeper. Or both. [http://kotaku.com/the-video-game-that-began-with-pictures-of-ellen-page-1440500148]
But hey, whatever. Quantic, Sony, and Cage brought this on themselves.
It's like company execs don't realize that modders, hackers, and the internet exist.
If I was going to put a shower scene into a game, I'd want my characters to be anatomically correct, even if I never intended for the player to see any nipples.
A more interesting question I'd like to ask is if we've bridged the uncanny valley ?
Is it real enough for this to be an invasion of Ellen Page's privacy by whoever made the images or is responsible for them being this detailed ?
I'm not convinced myself and I think this is all a giant overreaction and they should have just accepted it and moved on because this will never be purged from the internet.
We'll forget about it in about two weeks and not care but it'll always be out there, somewhere on the internet.
A more interesting question I'd like to ask is if we've bridged the uncanny valley ?
Is it real enough for this to be an invasion of Ellen Page's privacy by whoever made the images or is responsible for them being this detailed ?
I'm not convinced myself and I think this is all a giant overreaction and they should have just accepted it and moved on because this will never be purged from the internet.
We'll forget about it in about two weeks and not care but it'll always be out there, somewhere on the internet.
Apparently someone's never heard of the Streisand Effect.
Also yeah, why would you bother rendering all the naughty bits if you weren't going to show them anyway? Should have just made a "barbie doll" model with nothing on it.
Oh and why does anyone want to see a character model with Ellen Page's face on it so badly anyway? If I want to look at women's naughty bits, the internet is full of high quality video of actual women who would be more than happy for you to look at their naughty bits.
Also yeah, why would you bother rendering all the naughty bits if you weren't going to show them anyway? Should have just made a "barbie doll" model with nothing on it.
Oh and why does anyone want to see a character model with Ellen Page's face on it so badly anyway? If I want to look at women's naughty bits, the internet is full of high quality video of actual women who would be more than happy for you to look at their naughty bits.
That only begs the question of why the stock model has the naughty bits on it. Unless you're making a game with a lot of nudity you don't need naughty bits on models that are going to be wearing clothing all the time.Pyrian said:
Actually, that's wrong. Copyright would allow you to do whatever you want with the contents of that disc, as long as it didn't involve distributing it... outside of certain exceptions, one of which is fair use, which a screenshot being used as these are being used falls under. What you're thinking of is the EULA, which is a piece of crap that corporate lawyers came up with in order to get around the consumer protections on copyright, which is pretty much totally invalid outside of the US, and only valid in certain states (and there only because the Supreme Court still hasn't spoken) inside of the US.RicoADF said:
Personally, I think this is closer to a photoshop picture than a privacy issue. She has a right to be frustrated with this, but honestly, this is not her body, it is a video game model. Maybe a pretty realistic model, but still just a model. Any decent photoshop person can create a realistic photo by putting some actors head on a nude model. Truthfully, I don't know why we are modeling in game characters as actors at this point, but I guess everything has to be more like Hollywood where we need to use movie actors. Imagine in MGS5, they remake snakes character model to be based off of Keifer Sutherland.magicmonkeybars said:
I almost forgot, this is David Cage we are talking about, so to him this is not nudity.
But simply, a-collection-of-polygons-and-curved-surfaces-that-create-positive-emotion.
I wouldn't be surprised if people started labeling this as a good example of developers abusing actors and models by filling in the blanks they didn't say at the contract or paid for.
But simply, a-collection-of-polygons-and-curved-surfaces-that-create-positive-emotion.
I wouldn't be surprised if people started labeling this as a good example of developers abusing actors and models by filling in the blanks they didn't say at the contract or paid for.
Serious question: if you are a celebrity (especially a female), does this sort of press turn you off from providing your voice/likeness to a video game character? It's cool that so many celebrities are starting to get involved in the medium and (sometimes) delivering great voice acting. But if you're worried the developers might portray you in a way not originally agreed on, does that make people shy away from video games? It definitely doesn't help the case for games and gamers being mature (even though this is the developers fault not the consumers).
Sony will never come anywhere close to getting this to go away and are just gonna have to bite the bullet if they get sued for it, because they certainly have the right to do so. I think I would actually bet money on Cage telling them to model 'everything' after hearing how he became obsessed with Ellen Page
I'm sort of ashamed to admit that I googled the image in question.. My curiosity got the better of me again! It's nothing special to be honest but that's not the point anyways. I feel sorry for Ms. Page.. she's been getting a lot of mud thrown her way recently. Pretty much all from the Video game industry too. I hope these experiences don't sour her or any other celebrities opinion's on doing work for Video games. I can't say I'd blame them if it did though, to be perfectly honest.
Edit: I just realized now that by saying "it's nothing special" could cause unintended offence. I just meant that it just looks like a poorly done rendering of an otherwise very attractive young woman. That's all.
Edit: I just realized now that by saying "it's nothing special" could cause unintended offence. I just meant that it just looks like a poorly done rendering of an otherwise very attractive young woman. That's all.
I don't understand why this is a big deal. I don't see how the character being naked has any bearing on the voice actress playing her, besides the fact that they look similar. It'd be like Andy Serkis getting upset over whatever Weta digital may or may not have rendered under Gollum's loincloth.
Oh, no! Breasts! We saw breasts! This is an outrage! Sony must be punished! We cannot be allowed to see what 50% of the f*cking world has. It's just unnatural and disgusting. /sarcasm
Go watch Antichrist, pretty sure it's still on netflix. Then sit in a corner and cry for a while. Then attempt to clean your brain with bleach AND ammonia*.Casual Shinji said:
*don't actually do this, you'll die.
Yeah, there's a fellow on reddit who keeps re-uploading the shots and linking. I went there. I saw. I was not impressed at all.Credossuck said:
If there's any reason for Ellen Page to be upset about this, it's because that nude body, when seen in it's entirety, looks like Hank Hill with a-cups, I'd be upset too.
