Ellen Page Nudity in Beyond: Two Souls Triggers Aggressive Sony Response

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Owyn_Merrilin

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RicoADF said:
Lono Shrugged said:
In fairness, it would be mighty creepy to find out that a bunch of people who you did some mo cap acting for rendered your nude body to an insane detail. I mean breasts are one thing. Full body nudity without consent is pretty unprofessional at the very least.
According to a fellow poster who has looked up the image (I'm at work atm, so wont for obvious reasons), it isn't a full body render just the breasts and body, nothing down below. If thats the case then it's not unusual, it's probably just the character's model with not cloths on, no effort required and since their not showing the parts you can't tell.

If that is indeed the case then someone is making a big deal out of nothing, other than maybe Sony being pissed that their model is stolen (copyright infringement) and to cover their ass just incase. Also this title is misleading.
I actually looked it up myself, and I'm not positive that there's nothing down below, because there's, like, three pictures, only two of which show breasts, and neither of which show the crotch from an angle you can be sure of. It's really something nobody would have known or cared about if Sony hadn't done this, minus the possibilities for the modding community if there's a way to get into that debug mode on a consumer console.
 

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Oh sure, nevermind the tons of murder of innocent cops in the game just because she has a few concerns regarding CIA policy, THIS is where the line is, apparently.
 

Tanis

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I googled it.

It's actually pretty horrific.
Like, a cheap PS2 game level of bad graphics.
 

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I really have to ask, why the fuck was a shower scene in a video game in the first place. Oh right, it's a cheap tool to titillate the audience. Well looks like some little game hacker just made it have more impact than they bargained for.
 

IceForce

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Nude huh?

*googles for the image*

Hmm, pretty disappointing really. I expected better.

Also, this image turned up in the search results...

 

RicoADF

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Owyn_Merrilin said:
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Say it with me: Fair use, assholes.

Seriously, this is classic fair use, and Sony is breaking the law by issuing these takedown notices. Somebody needs to countersue. Now Sony may or may not be in trouble with Ellen Paige's lawyers for the model being, er, fully functional to begin with, but that has no bearing on what the consumers are doing.
Err how is this fair use? Someone has used a dev kit to open up the models that are contained on the game disc and rendered them from angles that the game didn't depict, this isn't fair use in any stretch of the imagination.
It's contained in the publicly released product. For all we know no dev kit was involved, just a modded console with some basic hex editing tools (read: modern day gameshark.) Sony could make an argument along the lines you're giving, but any judge who actually goes for it should be booted out of office for ignoring consumer protections (i.e., the law) in favor of corporate profits.

Edit: To put it in context, what Sony is doing here is like if Rockstar had tried to censor all information about the hot coffee mod, including sending takedown notices to sites hosting screenshots, instead of just admitting that they made a mistake by dummying out the code instead of removing it entirely. There's at least two points Sony could have nipped this in the bud (changing the texture for one that's about as anatomically correct as a barbie doll, or actually removing the debug mode, instead of just dummying it out), and they screwed up on both, and are now blaming the customers for their mistake.
Being contained on the disc does not give you the legal right to rip the file out and use it elsewhere, that's what copyright is protecting them against you doing. The model is not yours to do with as you see fit, regardless of weather a dev kit is needed or not. There is no consumer protection giving you the right to steal models from a game.
 

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wulf3n said:
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I am a little more worried the moment someone like Fox News gets word on this and runs with it, It will set video games back, because 'Oh Noes! Nudity is in video games my childrens play, and developers R pervertz!"

It's not going to be the Hot Coffee Mod, it's going to be worse, considering Cage had paid somebody to design this.
The uproars about sex in games seem to be dying down. There's been several games within the past couple of years that featured explicit nudity, for example Heavy Rain and Witcher 2, but there was no controversy.
It's not that it is a 'sex in games' situation, I may have created a bit of misdirection with my typing of the worried FOX newscaster, but if anyone hears of Ellen Page raising Cain on this for any reason, it will still reflect on video games in a bad way, because we have people in the industry trying to elevate games in many ways, but then we have David Cage doing something like this, to wit, someone on FOX News will turn this into a thing about how 'Video Games are bad' AGAIN, and it won't look good for us. Nobody at FOX will look at games like the 'Stanley Parable' or anything else that may be artful and go 'It's just like movie directors and books are dirty, while others are thoughtful', They will lump all games again, and then we have to start the cycle All over again.

Of course, I may be overreacting, since Fox is more interested in the realm of healthcare right now I imagine, but I really don't want it to be a headline, just because I think I can see how it will play out, and then we will have to deal with that stigma, even though one rotten apple doesn't necessarily mean it will spoil the whole bunch when it comes to video games now.
 

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Is it a big deal? No.

Is it awkward as hell for Sony? Ya, I'd say so. Also good job removing them from the internet, it took an entire 5 seconds to find them on google image.
 

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Ldude893 said:
Yeah, if you give people access to a CGI doppleganger of a real life celebrity, you're going to best bet that people will exploit it somehow.
They didn't need to help people exploit it, though.

CriticalMiss said:
I wonder if they are going to patch it out somehow, since the screenshots will just keep showing up until they do.
It's not an issue of patching it out. People already have access. I doubt they just posted it directly to the internet with not intermediary.

Gearhead mk2 said:
Also... how old is Ellen's character in that game? Just looking at that mugshot, she looks like a teenager.
The descriptions said you follow her through like fifteen years of her life. I'd assume it comes from later.

Niccolo said:
Y'know, as long as the character portrayed is over 18 I don't really see what the big issue is.
The big issue, evidently, is that this is content that wasn't supposed to exist. I mean, did anyone read the article?

an annoyed writer said:
What did she expect?
She should have expected the studio itself to make anatomically correct versions of her that were unnecessary to the final product but contained, obviously.

No, seriously, what about that train of thought strikes you as reasonable. This isn't "Rule 34." This isn't someone making a nude patch or adding textures to a scene. This was done in-house.

04whim said:
I felt a microscopic amount of sympathy for her at first. Then I was reminded that she got mad at Naughty Dog for making a character that looked a little bit like her and yeah, I suddenly don't care.
Nothing she said really sounded "mad." She even qualified the statement by saying she should probably be flattered.

That's about as innocuous as you can get.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
an annoyed writer said:
What did she expect?
She should have expected the studio itself to make anatomically correct versions of her that were unnecessary to the final product but contained, obviously.

No, seriously, what about that train of thought strikes you as reasonable. This isn't "Rule 34." This isn't someone making a nude patch or adding textures to a scene. This was done in-house.
I'm more jaded than anything about it, honestly. Cage has a history of putting nudity in his games, and I simply wasn't surprised about this showing up, since it sounds like something he, as a director, approves, whether the actors/actresses like it or not.
 

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Why would you render her bits if you aren't going to show them? Wouldn't it have been much easier to make her look like a Barbie doll?
Someone might have pointed this out already, but I felt like interjecting my knowlege of Mass Effect trivia for very little reason. That's exactly what they did for the romance scenes in ME1, in addition to tastful camera angles (nothing important showing). Although jury's out on whether that was to avoid this sort of thing, or just because they didn't wan't to bother making a fully detailed nude model for a 15 second scene (not to mention that it would have to be dynamic because Shepard's skin color can change). Either way, better option.

OT- Not that I was really complaining at the time, but the sex/nudity in Heavy Rain seemed pretty pointless. I don't know about the context in Beyond Two Souls, but if it's more of the same, that would make the situation even more awkward for sony to explain. One has to wonder how long the cinematographers and animators spent with that scene:

"Hey guys, hows that shower scene coming?"

"Uh.... *(hushed whispers: tell them we need another week)* We need another week or two boss!"

"Okay then..."
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
The big issue, evidently, is that this is content that wasn't supposed to exist. I mean, did anyone read the article?
No, I thought I'd just comment on a story like a dipshit. Of course I read it. And since Quantic Dream didn't scan her naked body into the game without her consent, I don't see what the big deal is. Yes, there's possibly a 'no unauthorised nudity of me' clause in Ellen's contract, but the whole thing can only really be accessed with a developer console. Quantic Dream has a history of pulling this kind of crap, contractually bound to not do this or whatever, so honestly I find myself thinking "it's just some boobs, give it a week and we'll all be talking about something else."
 

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Oh, the stupid is very strong with every facet of this story.

My condolences go out to Page there. She must be getting really annoyed about all of the recent debacles about her. If she didn't know that her CGI figure was this... detailed, someone is SO dying.
 

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Uh, guys? She has nipples. No vagina. No pubic hair. NIPPLES. I fail to see how that is "full detail". More importantly, it's SOP for studios to design their models naked; it allows you a greater fidelity. Usually they're barbie doll models, but nipples are usually included in things that are supposed to be realistic. Why? Because they can have an effect on the clothing. The clothes are added later. Now, if you had a character doing a shower scene, you'd have her naked, right?
Honestly, I fail to see how this has any bearing. It's not like these "are" Ellen Page's nipples. They're probably around the right size (since she did mo-cap for the game), but they aren't modeled on her breasts. And even then, how is nipples "full detail"? Plenty of games have nipples on their stock models. It's not that much of a big deal.
 

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RicoADF said:
Lono Shrugged said:
In fairness, it would be mighty creepy to find out that a bunch of people who you did some mo cap acting for rendered your nude body to an insane detail. I mean breasts are one thing. Full body nudity without consent is pretty unprofessional at the very least.
According to a fellow poster who has looked up the image (I'm at work atm, so wont for obvious reasons), it isn't a full body render just the breasts and body, nothing down below. If thats the case then it's not unusual, it's probably just the character's model with not cloths on, no effort required and since their not showing the parts you can't tell.

If that is indeed the case then someone is making a big deal out of nothing, other than maybe Sony being pissed that their model is stolen (copyright infringement) and to cover their ass just incase. Also this title is misleading.

No I just checked it out, they rendered her ladyparts with pubes and all. (Thanks for obligating me to actually do that by the way. :p)

And wow it is actually quite detailed and realistic, creepy. I do agree totally it is Sony covering their ass as they are probably rubbing their hands with glee at the free Ellen Page naked press this is getting.