Ellen Page Nudity in Beyond: Two Souls Triggers Aggressive Sony Response

[Godhead]

Why would you render her bits if you aren't going to show them? Wouldn't it have been much easier to make her look like a Barbie doll?

Because polygons is emotions, and jiggly bits is polygons.

Seriously though? I dunno. Probably for the sake of "realism", though in a tasteless manner. Character modeling is getting to be a pretty intensive field these days, and some people I've run into do it just for the sake of doing it, even if they're not doing that shit for a thing focused on the jiggly bits. Some say it helps with "cloth physics simulation" or some BS.

Breasts made out of emotions? David Cage, you have gone to far.

Captcha: Full house. I'm scared mommy.

 

[Baldr]

It pretty common practice in the industry to create models fully nude unless requested otherwise.

 

[Evil Smurf]

Hmmm. Is this what you mean by "emotion" Dave? Having a secret nudie vid of Ellen in full detail. It would make me "emotional".

I may need to find these images for my.......emotional stability. David Cage, why do games need nudity?

Having just seen the images, I say: meh. I've seen better.

 

[ChristopherT]

That's pretty messed up if Ellen Page did not approve of it, and really creepy. Also doesn't really help with the whole boys club mentality of videogames. There's a huge difference between some random people out there making fake nudes of celebrities and a celebrity, or any person really, giving consent for their likeness to be used in your product, followed by using their likeness in a way they did not agree on, double so for something embarrassing, demeaning, lewd, as rape, brutality, and even 'innocent' nudity, that is again as long as she did not agree to that specific use. Adding the nipples and what looks to be some pubic hair to the model was extra work added to it by someone(s) working on the game, to make a basic skin mesh it's a lot more simple for a bare 'featureless' appearance. Adding those touches was certainly extra work carried out by someone.

Then there's the ESRB, and if anything will happen in that regard. Kind of glad I didn't get this game now, after looking at some of it's gameplay and after trying the demo, while the story seems interesting and perhaps fun, the gameplay seemed somewhat limited and very dull.

 

[mrjoe94]

I love everything to do with David Cage's games. They're always such clusterfucks of bad storytelling, poor design, and uninspired pseudo-occult bullshit. You're never bored with them! They're just too awful to be bored with. This is just the cherry on top of his latest Shit Sundae.

This sounds like the general opinion of Ride to Hell Retribution.

 

[NightHawk21]

Just googled it, it's underwhelming to be honest. And if you've watched the latest Jimquisition you'll remember that David Cage likes to put pointless sex and nudity in his artful masterpieces QTE-fests, so it's not really a shocking revelation. I wonder if they are going to patch it out somehow, since the screenshots will just keep showing up until they do.

I'm pretty sure they can't just patch it out. In the actual game, that is just part of some shower sequence where you don't see anything. The screenshots all come from people playing on debug versions where you can manually move the camera to see her naked. The only thing I guess they could do is patch out the nipples, which honestly seems more trouble than its worth.

 

[bug_of_war]

I love everything to do with David Cage's games. They're always such clusterfucks of bad storytelling, poor design, and uninspired pseudo-occult bullshit. You're never bored with them! They're just too awful to be bored with. This is just the cherry on top of his latest Shit Sundae.

I woulda thought the horrible game play would've made the cut as being awful to the point of being like a train wreck that you just have to keep watching.

But in all seriousness, David Cage has expressed his infatuation (paraphrasing) for Ellen Page, so I'm not surprised he made a fully detailed model. Doesn't excuse it, but he is supposedly the main creator of all his games.

 

[00slash00]

I find it really creepy that they have a naked character model in the game to begin with, if they didn't even use it. I hope this doesn't sour other celebrities to the idea of doing games.

 

[Brian Tams]

Are you serious? All this is going to do is drum up more searches for the image, which will lead to searches for the game, which could potentially increase sales figures...

Hey... hold on a sec, you don't... mean that... YOU CRAFTY DEVILS!!!!!!

 

[WanderingFool]

Fuck it, Im gonna snigger anyways... and isnt it "snickering"?

They're the same word. Which one is correct depends entirely on where you grew up and your accent.

and isnt it "snickering"?

IIRC one is an Americanisation of the other, but don't ask me which is which though.

Googled it, and it is... interesting little tidbit... actually more interesting than most of Cage's work...

Also fuck Flo from the Progressive commercial, Im fucking tired of that fucking Captcha...

 

[sleeky01]

So Sony (or possibly Ellen Page)is making a big deal out of nothing?

Two Words: Streisand Effect

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

 

[RicoADF]

Say it with me: Fair use, assholes.

Seriously, this is classic fair use, and Sony is breaking the law by issuing these takedown notices. Somebody needs to countersue. Now Sony may or may not be in trouble with Ellen Paige's lawyers for the model being, er, fully functional to begin with, but that has no bearing on what the consumers are doing.

Err how is this fair use? Someone has used a dev kit to open up the models that are contained on the game disc and rendered them from angles that the game didn't depict, this isn't fair use in any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Fox12]

This is surprising? I already predicted this exact scenario would happen before the game was released, and lo and behold. Oh David Cage, you're so predictable.

 

[RicoADF]

In fairness, it would be mighty creepy to find out that a bunch of people who you did some mo cap acting for rendered your nude body to an insane detail. I mean breasts are one thing. Full body nudity without consent is pretty unprofessional at the very least.

According to a fellow poster who has looked up the image (I'm at work atm, so wont for obvious reasons), it isn't a full body render just the breasts and body, nothing down below. If thats the case then it's not unusual, it's probably just the character's model with not cloths on, no effort required and since their not showing the parts you can't tell.

If that is indeed the case then someone is making a big deal out of nothing, other than maybe Sony being pissed that their model is stolen (copyright infringement) and to cover their ass just incase. Also this title is misleading.

 

[TheSYLOH]

This smells like a marketing stunt.
Beyond: Two Souls has been getting mixed reviews.
But nothing drums up sales like the promise of nudity, or even better: celebrity nudity!

 

[Extragorey]

Of course, now you know there will be hordes of "curious" adolescents Googling those images because of this very article. And judging by "and I mean, full detail", the writer of the article has already done just that.

I find it really creepy that they have a naked character model in the game to begin with, if they didn't even use it. I hope this doesn't sour other celebrities to the idea of doing games.

Exactly. If you're a mainstream actor/actress and you hear about these kinds of scandals you're not going to want to go anywhere near the video game industry. And this is why we can't have nice things, people.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Say it with me: Fair use, assholes.

Seriously, this is classic fair use, and Sony is breaking the law by issuing these takedown notices. Somebody needs to countersue. Now Sony may or may not be in trouble with Ellen Paige's lawyers for the model being, er, fully functional to begin with, but that has no bearing on what the consumers are doing.

Err how is this fair use? Someone has used a dev kit to open up the models that are contained on the game disc and rendered them from angles that the game didn't depict, this isn't fair use in any stretch of the imagination.

It's contained in the publicly released product. For all we know no dev kit was involved, just a modded console with some basic hex editing tools (read: modern day gameshark.) Sony could make an argument along the lines you're giving, but any judge who actually goes for it should be booted out of office for ignoring consumer protections (i.e., the law) in favor of corporate profits.

Edit: To put it in context, what Sony is doing here is like if Rockstar had tried to censor all information about the hot coffee mod, including sending takedown notices to sites hosting screenshots, instead of just admitting that they made a mistake by dummying out the code instead of removing it entirely. There's at least two points Sony could have nipped this in the bud (changing the texture for one that's about as anatomically correct as a barbie doll, or actually removing the debug mode, instead of just dummying it out), and they screwed up on both, and are now blaming the customers for their mistake.