Ellen Pao Resigns as Reddit Interim CEO

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Hero in a half shell said:
Random Gamer said:
Can anyone tell me how this shit is possible, because it's quite amazing - specially considering the order in which the article had been revised. Had it occurred the other way around, it would make sense for a respected newspaper, but that way?

http://newsdiffs.org/diff/934341/934454/www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/technology/ellen-pao-reddit-chief-executive-resignation.html

Also David Streitfeld lives in San Francisco. Because of course he does.
This made me laugh harder than I thought it would. They're spinning it hard. The original article was great, but it had to be butchered by propaganda and politics. What a shame.
 

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Bat Vader said:
Hero in a half shell said:
Also David Streitfeld lives in San Francisco. Because of course he does.
What's wrong with living in San Francisco?
There's nothing necessarily wrong with David Streitfeld living in San Francisco, but I found it interesting because a lot of people who have been all over the gaming forums in the past 12 months are all from San Francisco, and they would frequently use the same language, bias and storytelling technique in their recent... gaming culture media encounters.

To spell it out: San Francisco is basically the hometown and main hangout of many of the indie devs and journalists implicated in the recent Gamergate controversy who all conform to an extremist progressive liberal viewpoint that all social systems are run by the patriarchy and all women and minorities are being systemically downtrodden by all white males who are all believed to be unfairly gaining off the system that favours them, and therefore should all be denigrated and deposed.

As an extension of this they hold a radical zeal for reforming the system through influencing geek culture to be more open to women and minorities (not a bad thing) but they want this to come at the expense of white males and generally anyone who differs in their political viewpoints (as they are almost all confirmed Marxists - Which interestingly tends to be the ultimate end of their beliefs that they are less likely to explain in their seminars, although you can occasionally see it in come through in Tweets - tear down the capitalist patriarchy and replace it with a matriarchal driven Marxist utopia where everyone is equal.)

Basically San Francisco is kind of the headquarters of America for this belief, and many of their events and conferences are held there.

The Amish have Pennsylvania
The KKK have Mississippi
The Bankers have Wall Street
And the extremist feminists have San Francisco.
 

Bat Vader

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MarsAtlas said:
I have no dog in this fight as I hardly use reddit, but from I gather she was more of a symbol of what site users disliked rather than actually directly responsible. Thats therefore a symbolic victory rather than a tangible victory. Don't make the mistake of celebrating early, as it wouldn't be the first time an organization mistook a single person as being the problem rather than policies. Or maybe I'm just too optimistic and they're right about how people will stop saying negative things just because she's no longer around rather than an actual policy shift. Given the amount of irrational hatred people threw her way, I wouldn't be surprised.
Funny thing about that, Alexis Ohanian [https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3cucye/an_old_team_at_reddit/csz2p3i], the executive chairman and founder of reddit was the one who fired the popular employee and is responsible for that entire thing. So congrats people celebrating, you've gotten a woman fired for something she didn't actually do.

Though, now that we know that it wasn't her doing, I'm sure we'll see lots of petitions about firing this guy. It's not like Pao being one of them evil leftist women-folk had anything to do with all the bitching and moaning after all, it was all about the policies she wasn't really responsible for.
Of course he doesn't actually come out and say this until Ellen Pao already resigned. Hopefully he violently goes through a windshield at some point in the near future. I can't stand corrupt people.
 

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BreakfastMan said:
FirstNameLastName said:
BreakfastMan said:
Regardless of her actual job as CEO (don't really use reddit that much, so I have no opinions there), this kind of seems like it could be a really bad move. Why? Mainly because, from what I gather, there was a TON of harassment directed at her. And since she did what the harassers wanted (to some extent, at least), this is going to be seen by those as harassers as a sign that harassing people gets them what they want. Not to mention other groups will see that these tactics look like they are being effective, and will start employing them on their own (for a recent example, see anti-vaccers adopting the tactics of the worst of GamerGate to attack journalists and politicians). And that just makes the internet as worse place overall. :\
I think people have had several thousand years of human history to learn that threats, violence, intimidation and harassment will (unfortunately) get you what you want. I doubt this will change much; if people haven't learned it by now they're not going to.
So why accept it and let the harassers get what they want, and suffer no consequences? Why don't we push to be better?
I'm not saying anyone should or should not do anything about it, just that this is unlikely to solidify the tactics of harassment into the public consciousness when it has already been well solidified long ago.
 

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Random Gamer said:
Can anyone tell me how this shit is possible, because it's quite amazing - specially considering the order in which the article had been revised. Had it occurred the other way around, it would make sense for a respected newspaper, but that way?

http://newsdiffs.org/diff/934341/934454/www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/technology/ellen-pao-reddit-chief-executive-resignation.html
Wow. It's cringe-worthy how hard they are trying to make her seem like a virtuous martyr.
 

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a slightly more enlightening read here

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/11/reddit-s-terrorists-have-won-ellen-pao-and-the-failure-to-rebrand-web-2-0.html

seems like Ellen Pao was slightly less to blame for the mess that is Reddit. if of course it's accurate. seems so.
 

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FirstNameLastName said:
Random Gamer said:
Can anyone tell me how this shit is possible, because it's quite amazing - specially considering the order in which the article had been revised. Had it occurred the other way around, it would make sense for a respected newspaper, but that way?

http://newsdiffs.org/diff/934341/934454/www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/technology/ellen-pao-reddit-chief-executive-resignation.html
Wow. It's cringe-worthy how hard they are trying to make her seem like a virtuous martyr.
I...wow.

This is just blatant. o_O I love this archiving thing. It's like witnessing birth-

The birth of propoganda, mind, but still, quite interesting just to see it in action.
 

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Hoplon said:
a slightly more enlightening read here

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/11/reddit-s-terrorists-have-won-ellen-pao-and-the-failure-to-rebrand-web-2-0.html

seems like Ellen Pao was slightly less to blame for the mess that is Reddit. if of course it's accurate. seems so.
Enlightening and Arthur Chu: Pick just one.

LostGryphon said:
FirstNameLastName said:
Random Gamer said:
Can anyone tell me how this shit is possible, because it's quite amazing - specially considering the order in which the article had been revised. Had it occurred the other way around, it would make sense for a respected newspaper, but that way?

http://newsdiffs.org/diff/934341/934454/www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/technology/ellen-pao-reddit-chief-executive-resignation.html
Wow. It's cringe-worthy how hard they are trying to make her seem like a virtuous martyr.
I...wow.

This is just blatant. o_O I love this archiving thing. It's like witnessing birth-

The birth of propoganda, mind, but still, quite interesting just to see it in action.
"All The News That's Fit To Print"
 

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Bat Vader said:
Of course he doesn't actually come out and say this until Ellen Pao already resigned. Hopefully he violently goes through a windshield at some point in the near future. I can't stand corrupt people.
Huh, so Pao really was bait. Quite brilliant, really; hire a controversial figure (even better, a controversial woman), fuck everything up, imply it was her fault, then suddenly fix whatever problem you had which made you need a temporary CEO.
 

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Dynast Brass said:
It's cynical, and it might have worked, so maybe it isn't cynical after all. :(
It certainly seems to have. We'll find out in a few months, I guess.