England Jails Homophobes

[ElPatron]

Mate, you just proved my point in your post.

The minute your government infringes on another persons right to life you're no longer in a free country.

I did not.

Hitler secretly ordered to kill Jews. These three dudes called for a change on the UK's culture and introduce what their culture has to offer.

What does that have to do with freedom of speech? Very little. Hitler was smart enough to lie, not tell the truth.

Yet freedom of speech allowed him to write Mein Kampf. And I don't see what is wrong with that.

Not being a religious bigot.

Read some posts in here.

Or any other thread where religion is involved.

Personally, I am an Atheist. But it bothers me that our culture allows us to insult and call for the incarceration of people who are following their beliefs.

Insults protected by: freedom of speech.

 

[ElPatron]

Pro tip. Inciting hatred and calling for prejudicial slaughter is doing just that.

Inciting hatred and calling for the incarceration of people for their interpretation of a religion is doing just that.

Gay people can't help they were born that way, Muslims can't chose what religion their family should bash into their skull.

I am aware that there are a lot of double standards, and I admit that I agree with one or two of them.

Watch some clips from Hamas TV or whatever that crap is called. Seriously. Their purpose is to incite hatred against Jews, teach children that if the time comes, they should carry out violent acts against Israel. I remember one in which there were kids in Olive Drab BDUs, balaclavas with those green bandannas, fake AK47s etc performing combat drills and crawling while a anti/Israel song was played.

If Israel captured the people who wrote that propaganda and sentenced them to jail, there would be a lot of buzz about freedom of speech, and how Israel is oppressing Muslims, etc.

TL;DR - we are biased and we will support freedom of speech, even if it calls for the death of every Jew "from the river to the sea" (i.e. the whole of Israel).

However, one thing about this article is positive. I thought that the modern UK was all about celebrating multiculturalism, giving Muslims a chance "because they come from other cultures" and other "Positive Racism" instances.

Guess I was wrong.

 

[Something Amyss]

Yes, but they're not saying that private citizens should go out and hang them, they're saying the government should change it's policies and go out and hang us.

For obvious reasons I'm not a fan of this point of view, but it should be their right in a free society to petition for a change in the law.

Regardless, I'm having trouble not seeing this as hate speech. The point of the matter being that I could see a clear divide between "don't let gays marry!" and "hang the fags!"

Regardless of the context, the latter is very hard to see as anything but hate speech. The former, while personally distasteful, doesn't quite hit the same notes.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

It's funny that you are going on about how gay people should just not be offended by the people calling for their death, while you are complaining about people using dark humour.

Woah boy have you missed the point.

"I don't like your jokes" =/= "I'm going to make a law so you don't offend me."

Go ahead, tell them how stupid they are for wanting gay people executed. But don't force them to shut up. That's just pathetic.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Someone says gay people should be executed - throw them in jail!

Someone makes a joke about men being raped - laugh.

lighten the fuck up.

Irony, perhaps?

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

man they really do look like terrorist don't they?

What on Earth does a terrorist look like exactly?

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

man they really do look like terrorist don't they?

What on Earth does a terrorist look like exactly?

like them of course...

So there's no female terrorists?

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

man they really do look like terrorist don't they?

What on Earth does a terrorist look like exactly?

like them of course...

So there's no female terrorists?

there can't be... unless maybe they glued on the beard...

Only one of those men has any sort of real beard.

Every post you make seems vaguer and less rational than the last. Not in a joking way, but in an... odd way.

 

[Jegsimmons]

ok the homophobes are asshole for being bigots and for calling for the death of homosexuals.

the British justice system is an asshole for violating human rights. free speech is free speech even if its hate speech.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

SNIPThen it's a good thing you live in the U.K. and not the U.S.A.

That kind of rhymes.

It is. Isnt it? I just get tired of the fallacious arguement that id sit back and watch all opposing views be arrested. Not so. Only calls murder. Mass murder. Of innocent men women and children. I think thats understandable enough.

Legally executions aren't murder.

So Hitler wasnt a murderer? Nor was Stalin. Or Kim Jong Ill. These things may be llegal where they happened and therefor not "murder". But they are not right. And it sure as hell counts as murder in the eyes of every damn person on the planet other than these idiots. You cant tell me that if the police in a country shoot a small child between the eyes in cold blood that isnt mutder. I dont believe you think that. What these people are calling for is illegal. Execution of innocent people IS murder.

I wont lie, you argue well and i find it easy to see how all speech should be llegal. Anyone should be able to SAY whatever. However the phrasing of the pamlett is rather threatening. As is the idea you can "call for an execution" in such a public way. It reeks of trying to rile up mob mentality. Death threats are not llegal. Are they in America? Personal death threats? Can i say "im going to fucking shoot a policeman in the face" in public? Is that llegal? Total free speech has limits.

 

[Biosophilogical]

Has anyone noticed that not one of them doesn't look scary and insane? I mean seriously, I have yet to see an extremist or evangelical nutter[footnote]There being a difference between a regular evangelist who just knocks on your door, and the nutter who comes up to you on the street and won't leave you alone while you try and look for the nearest escape route because you are afraid you are about to be mugged/shot/raped/murdered/choked with your own intestines/etc[/footnote] who doesn't make me feel like screaming "Fire[footnote]I think 'Fire' might be better than 'Rape' or 'Help, I'm being attacked' simply because the latter are likely to incite diffusion of responsibility, while the former is likely to get people paying attention because it involves them not burning to death[/footnote]!" just so that there are other people looking in my general direction (i.e. witnesses).

 

[Versuvius]

10 pages in and people seem to think defending one innocent group from 3-4 fucking idiots with nothing between their ears is a bad thing. Incidentally no ones infringing anything save the arrested. It is illegal to do what they did, it has been illegal for a long time. Live by the laws of the country you live in, or get out. Couples arrested in Whateverthefuckistan for being drunk in public when it is illegal in the country, i would blame the couple for doing something illegal in that country. If you dont like their laws, don't go there. Same goes for people who want to live here. Follow the laws like 99.9% of the population and stop mucking about. If someone starts up a strawman of "what about people who smoke pot"? well they do get arrested but that isn't calling for the death of some guy youve never met based on your own hangups. Srsly Gais. Stop being fucking stupid 12 year olds and learn how freedom of speech works (Note it doesn't mean you can say what you like to whoever you like, it never has, never will). Freedom of responsiblity, remeber that.