England Jails Homophobes
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Because I admit that I will not respect every opinion. Yet I do not try to restrict what others might say just because I don't find their opinions to me worth of anyone's time. So far, communism as killed many in the past, and while the Communist Party in my country isn't secretly assassinating their opposition I don't feel like their opinions are worth anyone's time.MC K-Mac said:
Yet they have a right to exist. Like that pedophile party in the Netherlands.
Or even Piratpartiet.
Basically, they are a party defending an illegal practice.
Stalin's government is estimated to be responsible for 10-20 million deaths.Abandon4093 said:
Also, Capital Punishment =/= murder.
You're basically forcing me into defending their actions.
Have a gander at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_the_United_KingdomAur0ra145 said:
Effectively, the most important part is 'In the circumstances of hatred based on religious belief or on sexual orientation, the relevant act (namely, words, behaviour, written material, or recordings, or programme) must be threatening and not just abusive or insulting.' So, the decision was made on the basis that the pamphlets distributed called for the execution of gays in a way that was threatening, i.e. listing how they should be killed, very loudly and publicly. A judge would be required to make the final decision as to whether something deserved the label of 'hate speech', but that's the case for pretty much any legislation you can think of.
Being jailed for a spoken death threat isn't ridiculous, and isn't anything to do with reveling secrets. Why should it be if that threat was sized up to a whole section of society?
Well, I guess yeah. At some points it could seem so. Of course how is revealing state or military secrets bad? Because it harms people right? So does hate speech, in a fashion. These men wanted the execution of all homosexuals. I hope no one contests that it's pretty vile thing to say. That's why in the UK you can be jailed for hate speech. The U.S is one of the few countries where hate speech is legal.Aur0ra145 said:
Perhaps for you it's ridiculous. For people in the UK however, it might not be. Things are done differently, maybe for the better or maybe for the worse. The laws are different in the UK, and you can't deride the UK for it's laws without someone deriding America for it's acceptance of vile hatred. Nothing that justifies calling the UK a prototype for Oceania. The same could be said for the U.S which has jailed people for suspicions of being a terrorist.
The U.S is not a better, more just country than the rest of the developed world and we'll do well to remember that.
I'm a bit conflicted on the hate-laws. People should be free to speak their mind and campaign for their opinions, but inciting violence and things like spreading falsehoods is not okay.
It can be tricky, depending on the case, but I think there's a difference in attacking opinions and people.
Saying, for example, that legistlation of homosexuality is stupid and should be changed is okay. But saying that being gay is bad is a different matter, because you aren't attacking an opinion, you're attacking a group of people.
It can be tricky, depending on the case, but I think there's a difference in attacking opinions and people.
Saying, for example, that legistlation of homosexuality is stupid and should be changed is okay. But saying that being gay is bad is a different matter, because you aren't attacking an opinion, you're attacking a group of people.
Either way, these guys would, and should've gone to prison, the article states
The one thing that gets me is that Sharia law, like the Hijjab is always claimed as islamic yet where in the Quran is Sharia law?
And if they're calling anyone questioning them an MI5 agent then they were probebly not-very-nice-people anyway
If anything this could well go down as Threatining behavior even ignoring their misguided opinions on homosexuals.
The one thing that gets me is that Sharia law, like the Hijjab is always claimed as islamic yet where in the Quran is Sharia law?
And if they're calling anyone questioning them an MI5 agent then they were probebly not-very-nice-people anyway
Death threats, threats of mutilation and harm is illegal in almost every civilised country, no matter how backwards you are to think otherwise. Singling out a specific group of people because they don't follow your ancient, backwardass religion to preach said death about/to makes it hate for no good reason other than...well other than you are a dick. If you want to behave that way, take it to a place that allows it, or shut the fuck up. I guess what i'm saying is obey the laws of your nation you live in or get out you hate spouting inbreds.
Disagreeing with this makes you a thought nazi and Orwell and other buzz words that sound ominous.
So, these chucklefucks deserve what they get. They broke the law, they are copping for it. If i were to preach the death of black people, gay people, straight people, jews, ginger people i would be arrested. And for good reason. It is counter productive and backwards. People defending this kind of BS under the guise of freedom of speech (without understanding it) is just as bad as doing it yourself, don't be a fuckhead sympathiser. Incidentally anyone defending them are likely in their middle teens or right wing loonies.
Disagreeing with this makes you a thought nazi and Orwell and other buzz words that sound ominous.
So, these chucklefucks deserve what they get. They broke the law, they are copping for it. If i were to preach the death of black people, gay people, straight people, jews, ginger people i would be arrested. And for good reason. It is counter productive and backwards. People defending this kind of BS under the guise of freedom of speech (without understanding it) is just as bad as doing it yourself, don't be a fuckhead sympathiser. Incidentally anyone defending them are likely in their middle teens or right wing loonies.
Actually think about it. The law is intended to stop speech leading to violence. If you go around yelling x people should be killed then you are encouraging violence and thus should be stopped. We're actually pretty good with free speech and human rights for the most part so how bout you stop saying this makes britain a fascits state. In America, where there arent limits on speech, violence towards minorities and homosexuals is more common and ignorance and intolerance are rampant right through the nation into leading politicians. We arent perfect but if you dont tell people they cant say terribly bigoted stuff and encourage violence then not only will they do so but you will have a much harder time getting people to naturally co-exist.Aur0ra145 said:
I did substantiate my argument. It's not my fault you're too stupid to pick up on it. I was illustrating the stupidity of calling the homophobes' actions civilized and democratic via an analogy.AdumbroDeus said:
Yes they ARE promoting individual violence against you and me, if we're both gay (for the sake of argument, let's say we are). Newsflash: advocating the death of a certain group of people is promoting violence against all individuals who are members of that group.
"it's not a direct threat as long as their opinions don't become law"??? What bullshittery is that? "Officer, that man threatened to kill me!" "Well sir, that death threat hasn't become law yet, so we can't charge him."
There, I've just explained to you why your views are wrong and now I will move on.
Ugh, I hope this doesn't make people hate all Muslims. I hate these god damn extremists, and this Sharia law they always try to put into place. I don't think there's anymore hateful umbrella for people to fall under in modern society. What do these people have against everyone that isn't them? Seems like they're stuck in the crusades era.
It's ironic because they're going to be raped in prison. Preemptive irony, if you will.Liquidacid23 said:
Wow, that humor is as dark as their skin... I feel like I should tell another joke now to lighten the mood. So a guy walks into a bar, and then he's like, "Ouch--my head. I shouldn't have walked into that bar." I guess that was also kind of dark.... urgh...
....sorry.
I have no idea. I would imagine it covers death threats, urging others to commit violence against certain people/certain kinds of people, stuff like that.Aur0ra145 said:
However, I'm pretty certain it was more the death threats and the fact that they really scared people, than the homophobia that got these guys arrested.
On the other hand, my stance towards this is that there's one really big problem with allowing hate speech: it's always, always used to elevate your own position, and almost always involve both statistics, conspiracies and lies. Thus you'll far more likely than not harm innocent people in the process, and you're deliberately being a dick while doing it.
Seriously. Fuck that.
First Amendment Rights on the grounds of free exercise of religion and the fact that half of the WBC community are lawyers helps them a lot.Platypus540 said:
Hahahahaha!!!
Look at those beards.
Whatever. Maybe a little bit of a breach of freedom of speech, but I won't lose any sleep over it. Rot in jail, scumbags.
Look at those beards.
Whatever. Maybe a little bit of a breach of freedom of speech, but I won't lose any sleep over it. Rot in jail, scumbags.
OK, I'm going to ignore that initial "because". There, now that sentence makes sense.ElPatron said:
Your analogies just don't work. Are you saying the Communist Party advocates the death of entire sections of society? I don't remember that part of the Communist Manifesto (yes yes, I know that the bourgeoisie are supposed to be overthrown, but I don't think they're supposed to all be stoned or hanged). Ditto the pedophile party (which was disbanded in 2010 after they couldn't get even 600 signatures to get on the ballot) and the pirate party.
Look, every single example you gave was of a group working within the system to try and put their (in some cases awful) views into law. This does *NOT* describe the homophobes in the article. They did not form a political party. They did not try to work within the system. They threatened and bullied people, and they got exactly what they deserved.
I think your title is just fine.Grey Day for Elcia said:
Hell yes @ England. I love the Brits now. Fuck these religious nutbags!