English Irish Republican? The F**k?

[Wadders]

I'm Irish, and I don't even want that!
Mainly because it's not really feasable. Make people who live in the north give up their homes, or their culture?

Thing is, Ireland is completely free from Brittish rule. The land we use is just a little smaller. I really don't see the big deal anymore...

Ya, what you say is true, I think this guy is just drunk.

Yes, yes I am a bit drunk (less so than I was when I created this thread however), but please have the manners to address me in person, not just "this guy".

I'm not asking if it's feasible, I just wanna know whether you would support such a concept (I'm guessing you would not) I am also aware that the current arrangement the best we can get, but that does not mean it is perfect.

 

[Wadders]

Thread belongs in Religion and Politics.

I don't have any strong opinions on it. Unpleasant experiences with a very left-wing pro-Irish independence girlfriend who turned out to be a complete idiot on several other levels kind of put me off the whole subject. I don't really care what happens over there but I do wish the people involved in the conflicts would just grow up and sort things out amicably one way or another.

Ever so sorry about the misplaced thread.

And I believe it is sorted out fairly amicably. People seem to have stopped killing each other in large numbers over the issue. However I still don't believe it's right.

As much as the chaps of the 1920s did their best to sort it out, the fact remains that no part of Ireland should really suffer British influence, as it simply should not be part of our commonwealth. We have no real right to the place.

Sure many people faithful to the Brits live there, but only 'cos we put them there in the first place, as far as I can see.

I live in Australia, which belonged to the Aborigines before white people invaded. Technically we don't have a right to the place either, we just came and said "we have guns and you don't so this is ours now". Things like this happen. Most countries have something like this in their history. Conflicts end not when everything is restored to how it was, but when people decide that they couldn't be bothered fighting or arguing about it anymore and decide to just work together to do the best with what they've got.

That is very true.

However the Irish didn't just roll over and take it like the Aborigines or the Maoris of NZ seem to have done (I know they didn't really, but they haven't resisted to the level of the Irish) Some of them have fought tooth and nail over hundreds of years over this issue.

To be honest, I'm not really sure what I'm getting at, which is probably not a good thing for a discussion forum, all I can say is that although the current situation is probably for the best, it is not (in my view) how it ought to be in an ideal world.

Now it is bedtime.

 

[heyheysg]

I'm more for the one Earth policy, merge your countries together, then get the citizens to vote for the leaders.

Might be rough at first but after a hundred years no one remembers anything

 

[Ph0t0n1c Ph34r]

Please excuse my ignorance but hasn't there been a civil war raging between the IRA and North Ireland fir years? Uniting them, while noble,might prove to be a bit...problematic.

 

[Faps]

Do you care that the majority of people in Northern Ireland identify themselves as British and want to be part of the United Kingdom?

I understand this, but as I said, in an ideal world, they would not need to feel this way. I know they fought for us in the 2 world wars, but what have we given back? All it is is religious idiocy passed down for 400 years, down from the Tudor and Stuart periods. I think.

As a History student I ought to know more about this, I'm just influenced by my semi-Irish parentage.

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say, why wouldn't they need to feel this way? Are you saying that they should just be Irish because they share the same island? That's pretty much akin to telling Canadians to just give up their identity and be Americans.

 

[Liberaliter]

I disagree, we need to conquer the rest of Ireland before going on to re-live our glorious empire by invading some poor countries again.

 

[Cargando]

Like Scotland? Hmmm, I think we should give up Northern Ireland, it would certainly make make Southern Ireland happy. But that's never going to happen. Just give up British land? Not while we're making money off it we won't.

 

[El Poncho]

I don't know about Ireland any more. Half of them want it, the other half don't, it's split right down the middle from what I can tell.

But I will tell you this, if you have been British all of your life, how would you feel if someone took that away from you.

 

[Kushan101]

The whole Eire/Northern Ireland thing strikes me as being ridiculous. Some very-outspoken people in the South want the North to become part of South again. The people in the North, for the most part, enjoy being British citizens and don't want to join the south. Anyone see where this is going?
It all just strikes me as a huge waste of time, there are far more important things in the world for people to fight and die over, surely?

 

[Soxafloppin]

Do you care that the majority of people in Northern Ireland identify themselves as British and want to be part of the United Kingdom?

Like me!

Its not just the loss of British rule that would annoy me.

If a United Ireland ever happened, we would have to use Euros.

And ive been spending Pounds my entire life.

Its all well and good living down south and saying that you want a United Ireland. Its just going to remove that little line on the map for you.

Its going to be a big change up here.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

In theory I should care, as an Irishman (Cork ftw) that lives in England, but I don't really. I guess it's up to people who actually live up there.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

Let them vote on it perhaps? I don't understand the situation fully, but don't they not have to pay taxes now? That's why we haven't added puerto rico yet, they want protection, some voting privileges, but not U.S taxes.

 

[orangebandguy]

Things are fine the way they are I think. Northern is separated from the Republic, trying to intervene further will only stirr up a hornets nest.

 

[huckleberryhound]

The south couldn't afford to unite with Northern Ireland. We are cutting billions from our budget trying to cover the upkeep of public services, imagine if the North's Policing bill was added to that. It's long been understood that if The North could've been handed back it would've been, but it's just not feasable. The southern government has proved itself largely inept, and would be uncapable of any emalgamation.

Those from the wouth might be interested in a facebook page called....Bring doen the Irish government and replace it with a badger called Steven.

 

[Nickolai77]

In the 1970's there was a referendum in NI to decide if they should remain part of UK or join the Irish republic. Majority voted to stay in the UK. Some radical republicans would claim the vote was rigged, but i seriously doubt it was- my point is though that the people of NI should be able to decide if they become part of Ireland or remain with the UK- it's up to them, the people have a right to decide who their government is, thats how democracy works.

 

[Flamezdudes]

I would LOVE IT if the English just left NI alone so it can unite with the Republic of Ireland. It would be glorious...

 

[Doug]

Feel free to rip into me, I know very little about this subject, its just as an Englishman with Irish ancestry, I feel kinda conflicted.

I suppose for discussion, you could argue about the current state of Ireland, and the pro's and cons of such a situation. Or something.

Yes, our ancestors did alot of shitty things to the Irish but frankly, it wouldn't be right to kick out the Northern Irish as they don't want to. And frankly, inspite of what the IRA say, repeated polls and a vote have shown that the N. Irish as a whole don't want to rejoin the Irish Republic, so how would it be fair of us to force them to go?

 

[k3v1n]

as a Spaniard, I don't know much about Irelands "conflict" with the England, I'm guessing that it's something similar to the basques/catalans in Spain.

and as for the OP, I don't know, I think that every culture deserves some degree of independence


P.D I would be grateful is someone would sum up Irelands problem

 

[Woodsey]

In the 1970's there was a referendum in NI to decide if they should remain part of UK or join the Irish republic. Majority voted to stay in the UK. Some radical republicans would claim the vote was rigged, but i seriously doubt it was- my point is though that the people of NI should be able to decide if they become part of Ireland or remain with the UK- it's up to them, the people have a right to decide who their government is, thats how democracy works.

This.

I'm sure that if the majority of Northern Ireland got up and said they want to join with Ireland, then the matter would be subjected to a lot of scrutiny.